Would have been a good idea to talk about that before he actually did the move, don't you think?

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Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Glenn Walker Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 15:42 An: Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian

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I think it was very clearly stated early on that this domain far pre-dated the existence of the political effort of the same name. I have no problem with it. Isn't the content what matters most?

Thanks,

James Shelton From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:45 AM To: Alexander Griesser; Glenn Walker; Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Google Groups?

I'm not responding as an official NetApp spokesperson here, but as a UK resident that works for the US part of NetApp and hence understands a little about the US and its politics. I'd say that the name is fine if you replace whatever overtones it has currently for you with the wonderful Alice in Wonderland and the March Hare's Tea Party. There, time stood still and it was always 6.00pm and "Tea time!"

With which, here's hoping the questions on the toaster's new home are a little easier to answer than the Hare's mad-as-a-hatter "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"

From: Alexander Griesser [mailto:ag@anexia.at] Sent: Wednesday, 24 August, 2011 14:53 To: Glenn Walker; Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: AW: Google Groups?

Would have been a good idea to talk about that before he actually did the move, don't you think?

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Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Glenn Walker Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 15:42 An: Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote: I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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I concur.

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Miles Taylor Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:11 AM Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Google Groups?

I don't care whether the list is at teaparty.net or Google groups, but I do think it's a bit rude to request the list to be moved again to Google groups when the host gave us notice that it would be moving to teaparty.net.

Once the notice came out the list was moving that would have been the time to request it be hosted elsewhere not after all the time and effort went into migrating it.

________________________________

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Griesser Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:53 AM To: Glenn Walker; Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: AW: Google Groups?

Would have been a good idea to talk about that before he actually did the move, don't you think?

Alexander Griesser

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Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Glenn Walker Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 15:42 An: Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian

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Some folks like teaparty.net, some don't. Some folks like Google groups, some don't. So here's a simple question that should have an equally simple answer. Why isn't the *official* NetApp mailing list hosted @netapp.com? I'm surprised folks at NetApp think not hosting it @netapp.com is a good idea.

That being said, I really, *truly* couldn't care less where it is hosted. I will not be responding again to this thread.

Brian

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Mike ginguy_2000@yahoo.com wrote:

Oh come now - it's not rude if you, y'know, don't know what that means, don't care about anyone's opinion but your own, and were raised in a barn. Perspective!

I have an *awesome* idea - why don't the people making this suggestion (and all the "+1's" that think this is reddit) unsubscribe, and go establish a NetApp Google group?

We wouldn't want to offend anybody, after all.

• M

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From: Miles Taylor Miles.Taylor@maxim-ic.com Subject: RE: Google Groups? To: Cc: "toasters@teaparty.net" toasters@teaparty.net Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 12:11 PM

I don’t care whether the list is at teaparty.net or Google groups, but I do think it’s a bit rude to request the list to be moved again to Google groups when the host gave us notice that it would be moving to teaparty.net.

Once the notice came out the list was moving that would have been the time to request it be hosted elsewhere not after all the time and effort went into migrating it.

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*From:* toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] *On Behalf Of *Alexander Griesser *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:53 AM *To:* Glenn Walker; Brian Bouterse *Cc:* toasters@teaparty.net *Subject:* AW: Google Groups?

Would have been a good idea to talk about that before he actually did the move, don’t you think?

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*Von:* toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] *Im Auftrag von *Glenn Walker *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 15:42 *An:* Brian Bouterse *Cc:* toasters@teaparty.net *Betreff:* Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian

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Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at http://teaparty.net teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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Thank you.

I'm happy with that.. makes sense.

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: 24 August 2011 14:42 To: Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian

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What Doug said, and thanks to Todd, Kevin, and Tom for maintaining such a useful resource.

For those with objections to the name of the new host, did you read the email last week from our dedicated list administrators, in which we were told that the list was moving, where it was moving to, and why it was moving, including the fact that, "That domain name was in place long before it had the recent political meaning in the United States!"? If there were any objections at all to the new name, that was the time to raise them, not now, after all the work is done.

Besides, this is an international list. It would be absurd to ask the moderators to monitor political movements in all countries where there are readers and contributors so as to be able to change either hosts or possibly even the list name itself (horrors!) in the event that some possibly-objectionable group decides to identify itself with some word that appears frequently in list email.

Can we accept the notion that the new host had its name before the politicians grabbed it, and go back to discussing storage?

And speaking of storage, here's a quick valentine for NetApp. I just had to attach some new storage from another vendor to a server, and just being able to identify the disks that had been allocated to this project turned into a ridiculous odyssey. I kept thinking how much easier it would have been to do the same job if I had been able to work with a NetApp. -- PATRICIA DUNKIN System Administrator HP Enterprise Services supporting Alcatel-Lucent Telephone +1 908.582.5843 Email patricia.dunkin@hp.com 600 Mountain Avenue, 2A-238 Murray Hill, New Jersey 07974

________________________________ From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Douglas Siggins Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:25 AM To: Dave Burleigh Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Google Groups?

Are you kidding? I think we all should be happy the fellows at teaparty.net are willing to host this. Who are the external folks that are receiving the mail - generally someone who is aware of the list and knows what it is for.

It'd be a ridiculous reason to change the admins plans for migration etc.

I digress. The political teaparty will come and go, and this list will continue.

________________________________ From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Dave Burleigh Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:03 AM Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Google Groups?

I'm happy with that.. makes sense.

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: 24 August 2011 14:42 To: Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote: I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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I've never actually been able to post to the list before (only been able to read it), so feel free to ignore me. :-) I don't see a problem with it. If you load up his awesomesauce web pagehttp://teaparty.net, you can clearly see no evidence of political discourse. Love the photo of the server, BTW.

NetApp already has a great community forums, and I like the fact that Toasters is hosted by a non-corporate entity. If it's really a problem, maybe someone could volunteer to buy a new domain name for him for 5-10 years to convince him to use it.

Scott Vintinner | Robinson Bradshaw

From: Dave Burleigh <dave.burleigh@cpp.co.ukmailto:dave.burleigh@cpp.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:02:37 +0100 Cc: <toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net> Subject: RE: Google Groups?

I’m happy with that.. makes sense.

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: 24 August 2011 14:42 To: Brian Bouterse Cc: toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote: I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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+1

Von: Glenn Walker [mailto:gwalker@aetas.org] Gesendet: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 03:41 PM An: Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at http://teaparty.net teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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From what I read on http://www.teaparty.net/, this isn't just another boutique mailing list, but the original mailing list.

I blame the political tea party movement for thoroughly tarnishing the name "tea party".

With those comments out of the way, I do have a concern about the maintainability of this mailing list on what I presume to be a very small shop, with potentially multiple spof. A googles or a yahoo equivalent would fix the spof. On the other hand, large companies, especially if it's a service that isn't critical to their core business, may arbitrarily decide to EOL the service at any time.

Eh, I don't care, just as long as the list continues to work.

George

From: "Zeitschel, Philipp" <philipp.zeitschel@atos.netmailto:philipp.zeitschel@atos.net> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:14:00 -0700 To: "'gwalker@aetas.orgmailto:'gwalker@aetas.org'" <gwalker@aetas.orgmailto:gwalker@aetas.org>, "'bmbouter@gmail.commailto:'bmbouter@gmail.com'" <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> Cc: "'toasters@teaparty.netmailto:'toasters@teaparty.net'" <toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net> Subject: AW: Re: Google Groups?

+1

Von: Glenn Walker [mailto:gwalker@aetas.org] Gesendet: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 03:41 PM An: Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> Cc: toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net <toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net> Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at http://teaparty.net teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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I believe that's already the case (explained in an earlier thread). It seems to be just a coincidence that there is a connection between the domain name and a nascent political movement.

cheers,

- -=Tom Nail

On 08/24/2011 09:21 AM, Joe C Ropar wrote:

*I agree wholeheartedly. This belongs on a service that is totally unconnected to any political, religious, or philosophical agenda.*

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Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <_bmbouter@gmail.com_ mailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote:

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        That being said it sends a political message that isn't
        intended for the NetApp community.  I know its not related,
        but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

        Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead
        of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to
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No, thanks. I'm too unsocial for participating in social networks.

Bye,

Alex

Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Fang, Ming Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 17:57 An: Joe C Ropar; Glenn Walker Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: RE: Google Groups?

Is anyone interested in a google circle instead?

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I agree wholeheartedly. This belongs on a service that is totally unconnected to any political, religious, or philosophical agenda.

Regards, Joe Ropar

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Glenn Walker ---08/24/2011 08:51:53 AM---Agreed. On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote:

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Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.com mailto:bmbouter@gmail.com > wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net http://teaparty.net/ for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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My 5c worth. My experience of Google Groups has not been good. It would appear to me that Google Group mail often gets blocked. I gave up and used Groupspaces.com. Looks like Teaparty.net is working just fine.

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Fang, Ming Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 3:57 a.m. To: Joe C Ropar; Glenn Walker Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Google Groups?

Is anyone interested in a google circle instead?

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Joe C Ropar Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:21 AM To: Glenn Walker Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

I agree wholeheartedly. This belongs on a service that is totally unconnected to any political, religious, or philosophical agenda.

Regards, Joe Ropar

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Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote: I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net/ for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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Joe,

You do realize the list isn't connected in any way with the political teaparty? Frankly I find the entire hubbub a bit out of hand. Does this mean everyone would never go to Boston and visit to see the Tea party re-enactment? http://www.boston.com/travel/boston/gallery/boston_tea_party?pg=9

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From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Joe C Ropar Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:21 AM To: Glenn Walker Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

I agree wholeheartedly. This belongs on a service that is totally unconnected to any political, religious, or philosophical agenda.

Regards, Joe Ropar

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Glenn Walker ---08/24/2011 08:51:53 AM---Agreed. On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote:

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Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.com mailto:bmbouter@gmail.com > wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at http://teaparty.net/ teaparty.net http://teaparty.net/ for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net mailto:Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters

Lol, great that I’m not the only one who knows nothing about what the issue is all about here.

Maybe I’m not interested in politics enough or I just don’t find enough time to read newspapers or watch news on TV, but I have no idea what the whole teaparty thing is about here – and no, I’m not really interested in googling that right now, just wanted to give a heads up to Frank so that he doesn’t feel alone here J

Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Frank Bonnet Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 21:46 An: Douglas Siggins Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; Joe C Ropar; toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

hello

What is exactly the problem with teaparty ? I'm living in France and

I don't know it at all ;-)

Envoyé de mon iPhone.

Le 24 août 2011 à 18:01, "Douglas Siggins" dsiggins@maileig.com a écrit :

Joe,

You do realize the list isn’t connected in any way with the political teaparty? Frankly I find the entire hubbub a bit out of hand. Does this mean everyone would never go to Boston and visit to see the Tea party re-enactment? http://www.boston.com/travel/boston/gallery/boston_tea_party?pg=9

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From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Joe C Ropar Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:21 AM To: Glenn Walker Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

I agree wholeheartedly. This belongs on a service that is totally unconnected to any political, religious, or philosophical agenda. Regards, Joe Ropar Joseph Ropar Storage Architect Server Platform Services Information Solutions Network Centric Systems Raytheon Company + 972.952.4306 (business) + 214.869.7901 (cell) + 972.952.2070 (fax) jropar@raytheon.com mailto:jropar@raytheon.com 2501 W. University Drive M/S 8020 McKinney, Texas 75071-2813 USA www.raytheon.com http://www.raytheon.com/ <image001.gif> This message contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive mail for the addressee), you should not use, copy or disclose to anyone this message or any information contained in this message. If you have received this message in error, please so advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. <image002.gif>Glenn Walker ---08/24/2011 08:51:53 AM---Agreed. On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote:

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Agreed. On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.com mailto:bmbouter@gmail.com > wrote:

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net http://teaparty.net/ for hosting this. That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that. Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought. Brian _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net mailto:Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters

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Ditto. As a non-American the only Tea Party I know about is one held a few 100 years ago in Boston.

From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Griesser Sent: 2011 August 24 2:13 PM To: Frank Bonnet; Douglas Siggins Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; Joe C Ropar; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: AW: Google Groups?

Lol, great that I’m not the only one who knows nothing about what the issue is all about here.

Maybe I’m not interested in politics enough or I just don’t find enough time to read newspapers or watch news on TV, but I have no idea what the whole teaparty thing is about here – and no, I’m not really interested in googling that right now, just wanted to give a heads up to Frank so that he doesn’t feel alone here ☺

Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Frank Bonnet Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. August 2011 21:46 An: Douglas Siggins Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; Joe C Ropar; toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Re: Google Groups?

hello

What is exactly the problem with teaparty ? I'm living in France and I don't know it at all ;-)

Envoyé de mon iPhone.

Le 24 août 2011 à 18:01, "Douglas Siggins" <dsiggins@maileig.commailto:dsiggins@maileig.com> a écrit : Joe, You do realize the list isn’t connected in any way with the political teaparty? Frankly I find the entire hubbub a bit out of hand. Does this mean everyone would never go to Boston and visit to see the Tea party re-enactment? http://www.boston.com/travel/boston/gallery/boston_tea_party?pg=9

________________________________ From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net]mailto:[mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Joe C Ropar Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:21 AM To: Glenn Walker Cc: toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net; toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Google Groups?

I agree wholeheartedly. This belongs on a service that is totally unconnected to any political, religious, or philosophical agenda.

Regards, Joe Ropar

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Agreed.

On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:38, Brian Bouterse <bmbouter@gmail.commailto:bmbouter@gmail.com> wrote: I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.nethttp://teaparty.net/ for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

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Good point.

-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Kendall Libby Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:45 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Google Groups?

Ok, so be honest... how many of you actually read the announcement from Todd a week ago? Because waiting until AFTER the move to suggest other options seems to be suboptimal. I mean, really, is that how you all run things at your respective workplaces?

Frankly, if someone looking for NetApp information sees "teaparty.net" and either doesn't visit the site/list because we're obviously loonies or thinks NetApp is suddenly run by loonies, then they have greater issues than whatever might be wrong with their filer.

In my not at all humble opinion.

I strongly suspect that Tom will continue to run the list where it is, but there's no reason that other folks can't go start their own thing at Google Groups.

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You're kind of making my point for me here. You have to actually go to the site and READ to know that they are not related.

FWIW, I did read it prior to sending my note.

Brian

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Jeff Mohler speedtoys.racing@gmail.comwrote:

I dunno, actually READING the www site in question tells me there's nothing to worry about.

Gotta Level-2 Geek behind the dials..thats cool. ;)

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.comwrote:

...

I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian

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This is awesome. --I sign up for a NetApp thread and I get thrown a Tea Party. How is this going to help me reduce storage cost?

From: Jeff Mohler speedtoys.racing@gmail.com To: Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Date: 08/24/2011 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Google Groups? Sent by: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net

I dunno, actually READING the www site in question tells me there's nothing to worry about.

Gotta Level-2 Geek behind the dials..thats cool. ;)

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Brian Bouterse bmbouter@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate that the fellow at teaparty.net for hosting this.

That being said it sends a political message that isn't intended for the NetApp community. I know its not related, but by looking at the url, external folks wouldn't know that.

Would it be possible to host this on google groups instead of moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another? Just a thought.

Brian

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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 08:52:51AM -0700, Christopher B. Allison wrote:

I read Brian's proposal as three separate arguments:

1. The toasters mailing list should not be hosted on a domain which many

people would probably associate with a political group. ("sends a political message")

2. The toasters mailing list should not be hosted by an organization which

is smaller in size than Google Inc. ("moving from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another")

3. Google Inc the best choice to host the toasters mailing list. ("moving

from one boutique mailing list hosting service to another")

Several people have replied to Brian's initial email with some variant of "Agreed". To those people I ask: To which parts (some? all?) of Brian's suggestion are you agreeing?

I'm inclined to concur with point number one. I realize that Tom has held registration of teaparty.net since before the onset of the current political movement and that (as per the disclaimer at the top of http://teaparty.net/) he disclaims any and all affiliation with said political movement - a point which it seems may have been lost on one or two respondents - but I agree with Brian that the domain name has the potential to be misinterpreted by others who (as such) might be disinclined to consider joining the list or who might otherwise be confused as to the list's purpose or tenor.

That being said, I do not agree with points two and three. I think it is lovely that toasters has moved back to its initial home on the internet (and thank you to the original founders, everyone who has provided hosting over the years, and the current host for all that you have done!), and I see no need to move the list to Google Groups or any other host.

It appears that the domain name 'toasters.net' is available for registration, and I would be happy to register it on Tom's behalf, if he is so interested. Tom?

I like the idea of registering toasters.net -- is it affordably obtainable? Someone is probably squatting it.

Respectfully,

-Chris Allison

UNIX Systems Administrator College of Computer and Information Science Northeastern University, Boston, MA

Ray

i have the archives and will be looking to integrate them with the existing archives once things quieten down a bit.

At the risk of self linking, we have a public searchable archive available here:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/netapp/toasters/

Cheers,

Alex