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RE: Migrating NT directories...
by Drew O'Donnell 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Secure Copy by small wonders. We just used it in our server consolidation project and it worked great. -----Original Message----- From: Don.Hickey(a)alcatel.com [mailto:Don.Hickey@alcatel.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:08 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Migrating NT directories... Basic question.... what tools are commonly used to migrate NT directories with complex permission sets? NT is not very good at preserving permission's. I'm looking at the best method of migrating NT group directories, many of which have very specific file permissions. I've tried tools such as dumpacl but many of the functions don't work against the filer. I'm running 6.1.1R2 on clustered 840's. Thanks!

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RE: Migrating NT directories...
by Nail, Larry 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

We've used ROBOCOPY with the Security switch, but it doesn't do "local" groups very well. SecureCopy does a great job with that, so what we do is an initial copy with SecureCopy and then a "incremental" ROBOCOPY (w/o security) just before I switch the old share off. -----Original Message----- From: Don.Hickey(a)alcatel.com [mailto:Don.Hickey@alcatel.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:08 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Migrating NT directories... Basic question.... what tools are commonly used to migrate NT directories with complex permission sets? NT is not very good at preserving permission's. I'm looking at the best method of migrating NT group directories, many of which have very specific file permissions. I've tried tools such as dumpacl but many of the functions don't work against the filer. I'm running 6.1.1R2 on clustered 840's. Thanks!

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RE: R100 Price?
by Joe Luchtenberg 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

No error. Note that this price is for 12TB raw (that's the cost to get into the NearStore dance). Well under $0.03 per raw MB (NetApp promotional materials cite $0.02, but I think that's just for the h/w - list price is $275K for the base 12TB system). That's a whole bunch less than a filer -- an F840c or F880c at 12TB will run you 2.5-3x more, and multiple smaller filers even more than that. Of course, the NearStore isn't meant to replace production filers. You're right to make the comparison to other nearline storage devices, and that's where NetApp has to sell its value proposition. I.e. integration with other filers (SnapMirror, SnapVault, SnapRestore), snapshot technology, no latency (compared to libraries w/ media pickers), universal access, better reliability, etc... Other disk-based nearline products are rushing to market now, too. Some are simply repackaged low-end NAS being repositioned to grab some market share. Others may be real players. However, I don't think there's another vendor going this aggressively into the nearline market space that has the comprehensive solution and integration across the enterprise that you can get with NetApp, though. Of course I'm a little biased, since I make some of my living selling these things. :-] Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. Email: joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com Phone: 757-457-0504 (direct line) 757-858-0600 (front desk) 757-285-1223 (mobile) Fax: 757-858-0606 Please visit us at www.data-line.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen_Chang(a)syscape.com.tw [mailto:Allen_Chang@syscape.com.tw] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:51 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: R100 Price? > > > > From what I heard from NetApp sales and managers for the past few > months, it seems the new NearStore product line will be a > cost-effective, > low-performance, large capacity filer designated for > near-line storage. > > However, I just downloaded the newest Quoter from the NOW site. > The new Quoter indicated that an R100-12TB preconfigured is priced > for nearly USD$330,000(Wow!!!). Is this an error of the new Quoter? > Or, NetApp executives really think they can use this AMAZING > price to compete with other nearline storage devices? > > *Sigh* > > > Regards, > -- > Allen TK. Chang > Project Manager > allen_chang(a)syscape.com.tw > Syscape Technology > > >

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RE: Migrating NT directories...
by Michael.Grey＠ttc.ca 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

When we migrated all our data to the Filers we used Robocopy. Robocopy is part of the NT Resource Kit and will preserve permissions. Some of the switches you should/will use with Robocopy are /E /SEC If you are migrating data prior to the cut-over date you may consider using the /MIR switch though ensure you understand how this switch works prior to using it to avoid data loss. Regards, ___________________ Michael Grey Technical Support Analyst Information Technology Services Department Toronto Transit Commission 1900 Yonge Street Toronto, Ontario M4S 1Z2 Tel. 416-393-6791 Cell 416-518-3412 -----Original Message----- From: Don.Hickey(a)alcatel.com [SMTP:Don.Hickey@alcatel.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:08 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Migrating NT directories... Basic question.... what tools are commonly used to migrate NT directories with complex permission sets? NT is not very good at preserving permission's. I'm looking at the best method of migrating NT group directories, many of which have very specific file permissions. I've tried tools such as dumpacl but many of the functions don't work against the filer. I'm running 6.1.1R2 on clustered 840's. Thanks!

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RE: Migrating NT directories...
by pkeim(contr-ird) 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

We've had much success using robocopy version 1.95 available in the Windows 2000 Resource Kit. From the console of the source NT 4 or W2K server, map the Z:\ drive to the appropriate volume on the filer. To avoid fragmentation, move the data in two steps -- The /CREATE switch creates a directory tree structure containing zero-length files only. The second pass actually copies the data to the destination. The /SEC switch preserves NTFS permissions. Here's an example . . . PASS ONE robocopy "F:\folderA" "Z:\Accounting_TOP\folderA" /E /SEC /CREATE /R:3 /W:1 /V /LOG:folderA1.TXT PASS TWO robocopy "F:\folderA" "Z:\Accounting_TOP\folderA" /E /SEC /R:3 /W:1 /V /LOG:folderA2.TXT -----Original Message----- From: Don.Hickey(a)alcatel.com [mailto:Don.Hickey@alcatel.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:08 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Migrating NT directories... Basic question.... what tools are commonly used to migrate NT directories with complex permission sets? NT is not very good at preserving permission's. I'm looking at the best method of migrating NT group directories, many of which have very specific file permissions. I've tried tools such as dumpacl but many of the functions don't work against the filer. I'm running 6.1.1R2 on clustered 840's. Thanks!

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Migrating NT directories...
by Don.Hickey＠alcatel.com 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Basic question.... what tools are commonly used to migrate NT directories with complex permission sets? NT is not very good at preserving permission's. I'm looking at the best method of migrating NT group directories, many of which have very specific file permissions. I've tried tools such as dumpacl but many of the functions don't work against the filer. I'm running 6.1.1R2 on clustered 840's. Thanks!

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R100 Price?
by 張自光 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

From what I heard from NetApp sales and managers for the past few months, it seems the new NearStore product line will be a cost-effective, low-performance, large capacity filer designated for near-line storage. However, I just downloaded the newest Quoter from the NOW site. The new Quoter indicated that an R100-12TB preconfigured is priced for nearly USD$330,000(Wow!!!). Is this an error of the new Quoter? Or, NetApp executives really think they can use this AMAZING price to compete with other nearline storage devices? *Sigh* Regards, -- Allen TK. Chang Project Manager allen_chang(a)syscape.com.tw Syscape Technology

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RE: THE NEW REDHOOK Snapmirror using QTREE's
by Noll, Kevin 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

What I am looking for is when Netapps comes out with code that will allow you to do a snap shot on a qtree basis. That will help data managment out big time. KEVIN NOLL -----Original Message----- From: Wurster, Richard M DSTI [mailto:rick.wurster@SBCCOM.APGEA.ARMY.MIL] Sent: 21 March 2002 18:49 To: 'Joe Luchtenberg'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: THE NEW REDHOOK Snapmirror using QTREE's Sounds great, but when can we get our hands on Data OnTap 6.2??????? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg [ mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com <mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com> ] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:58 PM To: 'Noll, Kevin'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: THE NEW REDHOOK Snapmirror using QTREE's SnapMirror Qtree-level product enhancement was announced Monday. Product information is updated on the public website by now. To summarize: - Requires ONTAP 6.2 - Single destination volume can host mirrored data for multiple source filers' qtrees - Destination qtree is read-only, but it can reside in a read-write volume on the destination filer - Each destination volume supports up to 29 mirrored qtrees; cannot cascade - Works at a logical file level, so it does NOT transfer FILESYSTEM metadata ==> protection against file corruption at destination site, which previously would have been replicated with volume-level SnapMirror - Dramatically improves capacity management for destination filer with multiple sources - Can replicate smaller data sets, further reducing capacity requirements, while improving bandwidth and CPU overhead loads; however, if mirroring the entire volume it does take longer and use more capacity than volume-based SnapMirror (approximately 5% overhead compared to volume-level SnapMirror) - Changing between volume- and qtree-level (in either direction) requires a new level 0 HTH. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. Email: joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com Phone: 757-457-0504 (direct line) 757-858-0600 (front desk) 757-285-1223 (mobile) Fax: 757-858-0606 Please visit us at www.data-line.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Noll, Kevin [ mailto:kevin.noll@cgey.com <mailto:kevin.noll@cgey.com> ] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:31 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: THE NEW REDHOOK Snapmirror using QTREE's > > > HI > > I would like to know if with the new Redhook, if it will be > possible to do > snap shots on a qtree basis. > > Thanks > KEVIN NOLL > > > ************************************************************** > ****************************** > " This message contains information that may be privileged or > confidential and > is the property of the Cap Gemini Ernst & Young Group. It is > intended only for > the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > intended recipient, you > are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, > distribute, or use > this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message > in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message ". > ************************************************************** > ****************************** >

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RE: mrtg and filers
by Manny Ortega 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

Well thank you John ;) Neil: Here's where you can see what I am monitoring on my filer with MRTG: http://redhook.univ-wea.com/mrtg/ <http://redhook.univ-wea.com/mrtg/> Pike is the name of the filer.... The first two images are the plain vanilla traffic analysis that you get when you run 'perl cfgmaker public(a)blah.blah.blah <mailto:public@blah.blah.blah> etc...' The next five are CPU utilization, CIFS Sessions and three different volume usage charts. You can see the section of my cfg file for those 5 charts here: http://redhook.univ-wea.com/mrtg/pike_mrtg.txt <http://redhook.univ-wea.com/mrtg/pike_mrtg.txt> You can use this as a reference, the MRTG config file format: http://iserv.nl/traffic/mrtg-conf.html <http://iserv.nl/traffic/mrtg-conf.html> The OID's on my config file are currently correct and working; two weeks ago (a friday evening) I was upgrading a carrier scanner for Pike (can't remember which one it was - molson or modelo - they are now identical) and Pike panicked and rebooted. It came back fine and I went home. When Pike rebooted, a couple of OID's for monitoring the volumes changed. I did not get a chance to fix the problem until I came back a week later (I was in Dallas for a Cisco class that week). You can see the change here: http://redhook.univ-wea.com/mrtg/pike.homes.html <http://redhook.univ-wea.com/mrtg/pike.homes.html> Look at the monthly graph and you'll see what I mean... Anyways, hope this helps.... -MannyO -----Original Message----- From: jwitham(a)takedapharm.com [mailto:jwitham@takedapharm.com] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: nlehrer(a)ibb.gov; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: mrtg and filers Depends mostly on what platform you want to run MRTG on.. Win32 or *nix. I've monitored the filers on both platforms, and had a much better run of setting it up on NT. Luckily (for me) you don't have to be an SNMP God to make MRTG work, you only really need to worry about the configuration files. The NOW site has some docs, but perhaps Mr. Ortega could share some of his .conf files as they appear to be quite flawless ;) John Witham Sr. Data Networking Engineer Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc. e://jwitham@takedapharm.com -----Original Message----- From: neil lehrer [ mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov <mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov> ] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:02 PM To: toasters Subject: mrtg and filers hi, are there any docs around that discuss using mrtg with filers? i would like to monitor my filers, but am not snmp conversant. -- regards This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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cifs performance
by neil lehrer 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

is there a way to identify which how much resources a cifs session is using? thanks. ontap 6.1.1r2p1d17 -- regards

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