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RE: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives
by Steve Roche 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I believe there is a third difference as well. Eurologic does not provide the applicable Netapp firmware revisions for the drives. This means you are using uncertified third party product to store your companies information. Good luck when your filer blows up and you try to open a case with Netapp using UCE supplied drives. Didn't we just have a short session on spam?????? -----Original Message----- From: ScottUCE(a)aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:48 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: FS: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives Eurologic Systems, based in Dublin, Ireland, is the sole OEM supplier to Network Appliance of the FC7, FC8 and FC9 disk shelves and the companion 9gb, 18gb, 36gb and 72gb FC-AL disk drives and canisters. Following NetApp's introduction of the DS14 shelf, the NetApp-Eurologic relationship has slowly come to an end. However, significant quantities of the FC9 product that was built exclusively for NetApp but on which delivery was never taken - including both 36gb and 72gb drives (ZCS and BCS versions) - are now available for direct sale to NetApp users. The "Eurologic-direct" FC-AL disk drives differ in just two ways from the "NetApp-direct" ones: 1) the color of the drive-release buttons varies slightly from the charcoal colored buttons on the NetApp drive and 2) the color of the disk drive graphic (e.g., 36F, 72F) varies as well. We are offering brand new Eurologic FC9 product at the following prices: FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 36gb FC-AL drives, cabling $7,990.00 FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 72gb FC-AL drives, cabling $12,990.00 We would be happy to negotiate volume discounts. This product carries a THREE-YEAR Eurologic warranty. In addition, Union Computer provides free advance exchange warranty replacement as a supplement to the Eurologic warranty. Network Appliance accepts "genuine" used NetApp gear for hardware service contract; on the other hand, whether they will accept new "Eurologic-direct" product is still in question. However, we believe that the three-year Eurologic warranty with advance exchange will meet the requirements of many Netapp users. We invite you to contact us for additional details. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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Problems with quotas and statvfs() in ONTAP 6.2
by Chris Thompson 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I have been experimenting with ONTAP 6.2 (FCS), and run across a couple of [circumventable] problems I thought might be worth reporting to the list, in case anyone else was planning to upgrade at Easter... The context is NFS access and client machines are Solaris 8 (although I would expect to see something similar for other Unix clients). 1. If you let the soft quotas for a per-user quota in /etc/quotas default, or specify them as "-", then the rquota RPC returns the values 4194300 KB (= 4GB-4KB) for the soft blocks limit, and -1 for the soft files limit. In previous releases these were always returned equal to the corresponding hard limits. 2. If you have a per-tree quota with a limit of "-" (i.e. only for reporting) and a mount point within that qtree, "df -k" (i.e. statvfs()) now reports the size of the filing system as equal to its actual usage, so it always appears 100% full. Previously the size was reported as the total size of the volume less the actual usage of other qtrees. Neither of these stop files being allocated and extended. However there are paranoid programs around that won't even try to write a file if they believe the filing system is full, and so fail. [Solaris 8 ed(1) seems to be one such. Don't ask me who was using ed ... it wasn't me!] Also, the outputs of "quota -v" and "df -k" are of course confusing to the end-user. The workrounds are easy if inelegant: (1) set the soft limits explicitly equal to the hard limits for all per-user quotas, & (2) use super-large numbers instead of "-" for the limits on per-tree quotas. Chris Thompson Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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RE: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they sti ll w ork?
by Link, Bill (OTS-EDH) 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I guess that I don't understand licensing either. On my 840c cluster setup the license command reports the same license string for the cluster on each head but a different string for both nfs and snaprestore. In fact, the filer heads were upgraded from 760's and the netapp tech didn't change the license keys when he installed the new ones. (I just opened one of the new envelopes this morning.) Also the strings displayed by the license command are not the same as what is printed on the sheet supplied by netapp, probably some encryption scheme in place here. Bill Link SysAdmin bill_link(a)dstoutput.com -----Original Message----- From: Art Hebert [mailto:art@arzoon.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:32 PM To: 'kevin graham' Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they sti ll w ork? I thought the license keys were different for every machine. Are you saying I can use the license key for one machine on another. Aren't they tied to serialnumbers? I didn't setup the netapps so not sure if they just used one set for each head in the cluster. My other cluster has a different license (though both heads of that cluster have the same license). Anybody else out there with a cluster, what does is listed when you run license on each head? I figure we will get a 15% improvement in performance if I break the heads. How much performance improvement have people seen when they have moved from 100mb to gig? art -----Original Message----- From: kevin graham [mailto:kgraham@dotnetdotcom.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:44 PM To: Art Hebert Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they still w ork? > I have a Netapp F760 cluster that I may want to seperate for > performance reasons. Keep in mind you won't gain that much. You'll double the write cache, but that's about it. If you need more disk bandwidth, toy w/ 3rd party adapters -- it'd be too easy compared w/ losing clustering. > I noticed they have the same license when I run the license command. This is undoubtedly an error -- cluster partners are issued their own licenses (except cluster license... can't remember there) -- someone probably didn't bother looking for the other sheet of license keys. > Will they both continue to work seperately if I disconnect the cluster > connections? Should work fine, though you probably should open a support case to see if someone can dig up the proper license keys for you to avoid trouble in the future. ..kg.. Notice: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Thank you.

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Problems with SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0
by Jacek Nogala 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Does anyone have any experience with SSQM 2.0 in Windows only environment? I had to install it for evaluation tests and it acts very strangely for me: SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0 was installed on Windows NT4/SP6a computer. Filer was running DOT 6.1.1R2 and was configured as Windows only. No user account migration was done (in accordance to NOW Knowledgebase it is not required). The following problems were observed: - There seems to be no way to define if quota is of user or tree type. Result of using Default Quota Setting seemed to be random: most of the time it generated "user" default quota but sometimes "tree" type quota. Type of default quota seemed to be somewhat related to restarting SSQM application. - In those seldom times when it generated "tree" default quota it also allowed to create of default "tree" quota for qtree that caused quota system to stop (/etc/quotas could not be interpreted by quota system): * tree@/vol/SQL 100M - * tree@/vol/SQL/test 100G - Is it possible to manage tree type quotas using SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0? If so: How user can define tree quota (default and specific) for qtree? Is it posible to define with SSQM 2.0 in the same time default user quota and tree quota for different targets? How to do it? Best regards, Jacek Nogala ***************************************************** Jacek Nogala tel: +48 (22) 607-04-53 Inzynier Systemowy kom: +48 605 67-22-12 NetApp Filer CA e-mail: J.Nogala(a)dimax.pl Dimax Polska Sp. z o.o. ul. Marynarska 19A 02-674 Warszawa *****************************************************

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sysstat
by neil lehrer 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

how much load does sysstat cause? does the tool cause load by itself? one second interval ontap 6.1.1r2 thanks -- regards

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RE: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they sti ll w ork?
by Art Hebert 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I thought the license keys were different for every machine. Are you saying I can use the license key for one machine on another. Aren't they tied to serialnumbers? I didn't setup the netapps so not sure if they just used one set for each head in the cluster. My other cluster has a different license (though both heads of that cluster have the same license). Anybody else out there with a cluster, what does is listed when you run license on each head? I figure we will get a 15% improvement in performance if I break the heads. How much performance improvement have people seen when they have moved from 100mb to gig? art -----Original Message----- From: kevin graham [mailto:kgraham@dotnetdotcom.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:44 PM To: Art Hebert Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they still w ork? > I have a Netapp F760 cluster that I may want to seperate for > performance reasons. Keep in mind you won't gain that much. You'll double the write cache, but that's about it. If you need more disk bandwidth, toy w/ 3rd party adapters -- it'd be too easy compared w/ losing clustering. > I noticed they have the same license when I run the license command. This is undoubtedly an error -- cluster partners are issued their own licenses (except cluster license... can't remember there) -- someone probably didn't bother looking for the other sheet of license keys. > Will they both continue to work seperately if I disconnect the cluster > connections? Should work fine, though you probably should open a support case to see if someone can dig up the proper license keys for you to avoid trouble in the future. ..kg..

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RE: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives
by Art Hebert 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Scott -- what are ZCS and BCS? art -----Original Message----- From: ScottUCE(a)aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:48 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: FS: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives Eurologic Systems, based in Dublin, Ireland, is the sole OEM supplier to Network Appliance of the FC7, FC8 and FC9 disk shelves and the companion 9gb, 18gb, 36gb and 72gb FC-AL disk drives and canisters. Following NetApp's introduction of the DS14 shelf, the NetApp-Eurologic relationship has slowly come to an end. However, significant quantities of the FC9 product that was built exclusively for NetApp but on which delivery was never taken - including both 36gb and 72gb drives (ZCS and BCS versions) - are now available for direct sale to NetApp users. The "Eurologic-direct" FC-AL disk drives differ in just two ways from the "NetApp-direct" ones: 1) the color of the drive-release buttons varies slightly from the charcoal colored buttons on the NetApp drive and 2) the color of the disk drive graphic (e.g., 36F, 72F) varies as well. We are offering brand new Eurologic FC9 product at the following prices: FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 36gb FC-AL drives, cabling $7,990.00 FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 72gb FC-AL drives, cabling $12,990.00 We would be happy to negotiate volume discounts. This product carries a THREE-YEAR Eurologic warranty. In addition, Union Computer provides free advance exchange warranty replacement as a supplement to the Eurologic warranty. Network Appliance accepts "genuine" used NetApp gear for hardware service contract; on the other hand, whether they will accept new "Eurologic-direct" product is still in question. However, we believe that the three-year Eurologic warranty with advance exchange will meet the requirements of many Netapp users. We invite you to contact us for additional details. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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FS: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Eurologic Systems, based in Dublin, Ireland, is the sole OEM supplier to Network Appliance of the FC7, FC8 and FC9 disk shelves and the companion 9gb, 18gb, 36gb and 72gb FC-AL disk drives and canisters. Following NetApp's introduction of the DS14 shelf, the NetApp-Eurologic relationship has slowly come to an end. However, significant quantities of the FC9 product that was built exclusively for NetApp but on which delivery was never taken - including both 36gb and 72gb drives (ZCS and BCS versions) - are now available for direct sale to NetApp users. The "Eurologic-direct" FC-AL disk drives differ in just two ways from the "NetApp-direct" ones: 1) the color of the drive-release buttons varies slightly from the charcoal colored buttons on the NetApp drive and 2) the color of the disk drive graphic (e.g., 36F, 72F) varies as well. We are offering brand new Eurologic FC9 product at the following prices: FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 36gb FC-AL drives, cabling $7,990.00 FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 72gb FC-AL drives, cabling $12,990.00 We would be happy to negotiate volume discounts. This product carries a THREE-YEAR Eurologic warranty. In addition, Union Computer provides free advance exchange warranty replacement as a supplement to the Eurologic warranty. Network Appliance accepts "genuine" used NetApp gear for hardware service contract; on the other hand, whether they will accept new "Eurologic-direct" product is still in question. However, we believe that the three-year Eurologic warranty with advance exchange will meet the requirements of many Netapp users. We invite you to contact us for additional details. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they still w ork?
by Art Hebert 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I have a Netapp F760 cluster that I may want to seperate for performance reasons. I noticed they have the same license when I run the license command. Will they both continue to work seperately if I disconnect the cluster connections? Thanks art

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NOW inaccessible?
by Mike Sphar 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Is it just me, or has NOW been down most of the day? I've been trying all day to get through and can't. Traceroute just stops at pos1-ext.netapp.com . -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Peregrine Systems, Inc.

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