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RE: Poor man's redundant storage
by Jason Truong 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Hey, I was in your position not too long ago. a) we don't have the money to buy another netapp b) Engineering has been hounding IT for more space c) needed a cheap solution We ended buying this : http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?productId=109&familyI… There is also the new one VTrak 15100. The UltraTrak RM15000 we purchased ran about $7K with all 15 drives included. (160gb each) It's not a bad device as we have it plugged into a Dell Poweredge 2450 running windows 2000. Though I would rather have it plugged into a Linux machine...that might be further down the road. You might wanna look into windows 2003 server with shadow copy though I don't know much about it at all. Maybe someone who has played with that feature will shed some light on this. Of course it would be better to have another NetApp but I couldn't get this into our IT budget. Jason T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of devnull(a)adc.idt.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:14 AM To: NetApp Toasters List Subject: OT: Poor man's redundant storage Dear Toasters, I would like to poll all the poor people on the list who cant afford/justify the need for clusters and instead use other cheap solution to provide redundancy of their data. Even a simple IDE-RAID solution, with some kind of heartbeat system... I have a couple of netapp's here on-site and in the event of a disaster, where the RAID array's are lost and i need to rebuild from scratch, i would like to have someother system serving the data i need, albeit at much lower performance. I do have a spares kit to help me recover from events like MoBo/Processor dying etc. Thanks for your time, -- /dev/null devnull(a)adc.idt.com

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OT: Poor man's redundant storage
by devnull＠adc.idt.com 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Dear Toasters, I would like to poll all the poor people on the list who cant afford/justify the need for clusters and instead use other cheap solution to provide redundancy of their data. Even a simple IDE-RAID solution, with some kind of heartbeat system... I have a couple of netapp's here on-site and in the event of a disaster, where the RAID array's are lost and i need to rebuild from scratch, i would like to have someother system serving the data i need, albeit at much lower performance. I do have a spares kit to help me recover from events like MoBo/Processor dying etc. Thanks for your time, -- /dev/null devnull(a)adc.idt.com

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SPAM:Your Email Just Won a Car. (fwd)
by Maren S. Leizaola 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

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Your Email Just Won a Car.
by philipsmith1 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

VINTAGE CARS PROMOTION, 35 WEST FIFTH STREET, AMSTERDAM, NETHERLAND. WE ARE CONTACTING YOU AS A RESULT OF OUR PROMOTION PROGRAMME HELD ON THE 12TH OF JANUARY 2004. Good day, From the desk of the co-coordinator of VINTAGE CARS PROMOTION NETHERLAND, we are delighted to bring to your notice that you are one of our winners. Congratulations, we are pleased to inform you that your email address attached to SECURITY PROCESSING CODE No.: HMCP/50030/0567 won the promo in the first category along with two others. You are therefore approved to claim your price, which is a BMW Z8 with the specifications below; 2003 BMW Z8 General Info Price: $139,000 Miles Per Gallon: 14/23 mpg Curb Weight: 3600 lbs Layout: Front-Engine/RWD Transmission: 6-Speed Manual Engine Type: V8 Displacement: 4941 cc Horsepower: 394 bhp @ 6600 rpm Torque: 369 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm Redline: 7000 rpm Performance 0-60 mph: 4.2 sec 0-100 mph: 10.2 sec Quarter Mile: 12.6 sec @ 112 mph Skidpad: .92g Top Speed: 155 mph Braking, 60-0 mph: 116 ft Slalom Speed: 61.3 mph Please note that our three winners emails were drawn from the entire WWW (World Wide Web) using a quantitative technique of random sampling. As such only three email addresses were collected and awarded our winners, so you should consider yourself a very lucky person. Furthermore, note this promotion is held once every five years, just to give people around the world the opportunity to win and drive the most powerful cars in the world. You are advised to contact the programme co-ordinator with your security processing code number to claim your car; Name: Fredrick Teller Email: fredrickteller(a)indiatimes.com Congratulations once more and please be informed that you have to claim your car within 14 days from the date of receipt of this mail. Yours Sincerely, Mr. Philip Smith. Promotion Manager. ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Migrating from NetApp to EMC Celera
by Bruce Arden 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

I have been asked what the problems would be migrating from NetApp filers to EMC Celerra. Has anyone had any experience of doing this. What features would I loose? - Bruce -- Bruce Arden arden(a)nortelnetworks.com barden2(a)csc.com CSC, Nortel, London Rd, Harlow, England +44 1279 40 2877

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Mac OS X NFS attr caching
by Todd C. Merrill 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

If anyone has good experience or knowledge of how Mac OS X (particularly Panther) does NFS attr caching, or how to tweak it, I'd like to hear from you. After a wholesale upgrade of most of our Macs to Panther recently, network traces show subsequent getattr calls go all the way from the client to the toaster if they are separated in time by anything more than a few milliseconds. Needless to say, this is now burying some of our toasters (on one 960 at a rate of 40-70,000 ops/s). Thank goodness NetApp's caching works. Until next time... The MathWorks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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Sybase and snapshots
by John Hope-Bailie 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Hi there, Some years ago I recall being told that hosting Sybase on a filer was o.k. but that there were problems with snapshots. Apparently, Sybase 10 did not support being "quiesced" prior to the snapshot, so the integrity of the snapshot could not be assured. At this time, the talk was that Sybase 11 would/could overcome this issue. Can anyone share their experience running Sybase 10 or 11 (on Sun/Solaris) with filers, and using snapshots ? regards, John Hope-Bailie johnhb(a)sourceconsulting.co.za --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.571 / Virus Database: 361 - Release Date: 2004.01.26

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clean repost cifs/nfs backup
by Jeff Burton 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Sorry for the repost, I'm working out some personal issues with hotmail... We are migrating into a larger NetBackup 4.5 domain and we are needing to change from using a Unix media server to a Windows media server. We also cannot use NDMP at this time. Both restrictions are mostly due to political, management, and budget reasons. So our choices as I see it are: - Use PCNFS to backup/restore the NFS data and CIFS shares to backup CIFS data. - Use CIFS shares to backup/restore both NFS and CIFS data - Any others? We tried both of the above and neither worked perfectly. After opening more security holes than I would have liked, we were able to backup the data successfully both ways. But the restores gave the errors at the end of this message. I'm not necessarily looking for a fix for the problems below, however it would be nice to know why this is happening. What I am looking for is the most reliable and secure method to backup our 12 filers using NetBackup 4.5 without using NDMP or a Unix media server. I think the most convenient would be to use the CIFS shares to backup all, but we have volumes that have both NFS and CIFS data inside. So, I?m a little weary about the recovery of file permission. I know the NFS permissions will still be there, but how would I actually recover the data from the Windows media server? When we recovered the NFS data to a NFS qtree from the Windows media server, it created files that I had to go into the netapp! .jsh cli to delete, and 2 files that I have no idea how to delete since nobody can delete from any platform and netapp.jsh says it cannot delete the file (Does anyone know how I can delete these files? I have the cifs.ignore_acl_for_nfs_root option on). I would rather not use the PCNFS solution because it seems to be a bit insecure?or maybe I?m not setting it up correctly. Thanks in advance, Jeff 1/26/2004 2:45:13 PM mediaServer mediaServer Warning 276 Retrieve from client mediaServer: WRN - error writing file: \\netappRestore\etc\log\ems.4 (err=WIN32 282: The mounted file system does not support extended attributes. ) 1/26/2004 2:45:14 PM mediaServer mediaServer Warning 276 Retrieve from client mediaServer: WRN - error writing byte: 116736 1/26/2004 2:45:15 PM mediaServer mediaServer Warning 276 Retrieve from client mediaServer: WRN - wanted buffer size: 16485 1/26/2004 2:45:20 PM mediaServer mediaServer Warning 276 Retrieve from client mediaServer: WRN - can't create file: \\netappRestore\etc\boot\x86\firmware\rodan (WIN32 5: Access is denied. ) 1/26/2004 2:46:12 PM mediaServer mediaServer Error 276 Retrieve client restore EXIT STATUS 5: the restore failed to recover the requested files 1/26/2004 2:49:33 PM mediaServer medi! aServer Warning 277 Retrieve from client mediaServer: WRN - can't create file: \\netappBackup\C$\etc\zoneinfo\Asia\Makassar (WIN32 6: The handle is invalid. ) 1/26/2004 2:49:52 PM mediaServer mediaServer Error 277 Retrieve client restore EXIT STATUS 1: the requested operation was partially successful _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1

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by Jeff Burton 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

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cifs/nfs backup environment
by Jeff Burton 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

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