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RE: Lock files
by Mike Sphar 02 Dec '00

02 Dec '00

Changing ownership of the file has not had any effect in my experience (this is on NT in general, not just Filers). The denying of access based on an open lock is completely separate from and takes precedence over any ownership as far as I've been able to determine. And no, the Admin generally can't remove a file that has an open lock even if it opened the lock. Try deleting the executable for a process that is currently running and you will probably see what I mean. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:06 PM To: Mike Sphar; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Lock files ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sphar" <mikey(a)Remedy.COM> To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Lock files > Neither the UNIX root user nor the NT administrator can remove the files in > question when the locks occur. I believe it is a side-effect of the Filer > enforcing NT locks to UNIX clients. (I don't think Netapp is necessarily > doing anything wrong here. I believe this is the correct behavior in most > cases.) I very commonly encounter situations on NT systems where the > administrator cannot remove a file that is open, no matter who owns it. But under NT, can the admin chown (take ownership) of a file that is locked, and then remove it? Also, can the admin remove a file that it itself has locked? > Of course, even if root *could* remove those files as root/administrator, > I'd still like a way for the files owner to be able to remove them. I'd > rather not have to give my build engineers root/administrator access to my > filer. I agree. I believe that UNIX and NT need to respect each-other's permissions, but it should not alter absolute power.. Bruce

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RE: Lock files
by Mike Sphar 02 Dec '00

02 Dec '00

Neither the UNIX root user nor the NT administrator can remove the files in question when the locks occur. I believe it is a side-effect of the Filer enforcing NT locks to UNIX clients. (I don't think Netapp is necessarily doing anything wrong here. I believe this is the correct behavior in most cases.) I very commonly encounter situations on NT systems where the administrator cannot remove a file that is open, no matter who owns it. Of course, even if root *could* remove those files as root/administrator, I'd still like a way for the files owner to be able to remove them. I'd rather not have to give my build engineers root/administrator access to my filer. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:43 PM To: Mike Sphar; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Lock files ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sphar" <mikey(a)Remedy.COM> To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Lock files > I was about to ask a similar question actually. We keep running into > problems where our build group can't delete a directory because someone else > had opened one of the files in it, and then the build automation fails. Not > even root can remove those files until the offending session is found and > killed or the lock is removed. This I don't understand. Root should always be allowed to remove files even if they are locked. If the filer doesn't allow that, I consider it a bug (even if it's a design choice). Of course, NT's Administrator has different privelages. I suppose you could enforce that on the UNIX side and require root to first chown the files to root, and then delete them. But that would be an optional behavior. Bruce

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RE: Lock files
by Mike Sphar 02 Dec '00

02 Dec '00

I was about to ask a similar question actually. We keep running into problems where our build group can't delete a directory because someone else had opened one of the files in it, and then the build automation fails. Not even root can remove those files until the offending session is found and killed or the lock is removed. Is there a way to selectively disable locking so that some directories/shares/qtrees/etc will allow open files to be deleted? -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Shaw, Kevin [mailto:Kevin.Shaw@CAX.USA.XEROX.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:02 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Lock files I'm having problems moving files (using cpio or tar) with the lock bit set. Any ideas/help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Kevin

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Lock files
by Shaw, Kevin 02 Dec '00

02 Dec '00

I'm having problems moving files (using cpio or tar) with the lock bit set. Any ideas/help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Kevin

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RE: MRTG with netcache.
by Doherty, Niall 02 Dec '00

02 Dec '00

> The goop on now.netapp.com is old, and rather clunky. Yup. I completely agree ;-) > Anybody got any good Netcache MRTG stuff that sucks down all the good > stuff w/o firing up wget to grep out data? Not MRTG, but here are my config files for Cricket (which is sort-of-a-successor to MRTG). If you want to use this with Cricket you should create a subdirectory and dump in the Defaults file and the appropriate "nc" file. NetCache 5.0 has a LOT of info available via SNMP. I don't display *everything* in the "Targets" specification for NetCache-50 but if you read through the files you can see what else might be of interest... Even if you don't use Cricket these files should be of use if you want to use SNMP - the hard part of SNMP is not retrieving the stats, but interpreting and graphing them correctly... Have fun... If you've any questions let me know... Cheers, Niall -- Niall Doherty | Network Appliance Inc. | NetCache Technical Coordinator | 495 East Java Drive | Intercontinental Operations | Sunnyvale, CA 94089, USA | mailto:ndoherty@netapp.com | http://www.netapp.com | Direct Line: +1 408 822 8554 | HQ Phone: +1 408 822 6000 | FAX(->email): +1 801 912 5212 | HQ FAX: +1 408 822 6001 |

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MRTG with netcache.
by Jaye Mathisen 02 Dec '00

02 Dec '00

The goop on now.netapp.com is old, and rather clunky. Anybody got any good Netcache MRTG stuff that sucks down all the good stuff w/o firing up wget to grep out data? I'm mainly looking for the equivalent of the sysstat output, and the summary page in NetCache 5.0D6. Thanks in advance. If somebody sends me something, I'll be sure to summarize and repost the good stuff back to the list.

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RE: SCSI on Filer 760 HVDS or LVDS
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

There is a tape drive compatibility matrix here http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/cert_matrices/tape_drives.shtm l which indicates that F700-series filers require HVD. As this article indicates http://now.netapp.com/Knowledgebase/solutionarea.asp?id=dfaf091a-9bbd-11d4-9 2f7-080020c8339b&resource=&number=19&isExternal=0 (link will be wrapped) you must use fast-wide differential SCSI drives and not single ended drives on an F700-series filer. The compatibility matrix indicates the F840 supports both FWD-HVD and LVD-SE, except for DLT7000 drives. MD -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Dickson [mailto:bdickson@cart.org] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:58 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: SCSI on Filer 760 HVDS or LVDS I have a 760 and need to know is the SCSI buss High or Low voltage differential, I just recieved a backup library that is HVDS Thanks Bryan Dickson, CTO Center for Advanced Research & Technology

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RE: Security Question
by Thompson, Tim 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

To correct one detail: > Also, the FilerView web admin program will allow password-less access from > any machine(s) listed in the "telnet.hosts" option. This poses the same > security concern if the machine(s) in "telnet.hosts" are compromised. The "telnet.hosts" option is only an "access" control. You still have to be authenticated after passing this access control. In ONTAP 6.0, FilerView uses HTTP basic authentication for everything (prior to ONTAP 6.0 it also used some rsh). ...Tim Thompson...Network Appliance, Inc...tjt(a)netapp.com...

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SCSI on Filer 760 HVDS or LVDS
by Bryan Dickson 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

I have a 760 and need to know is the SCSI buss High or Low voltage differential, I just recieved a backup library that is HVDS Thanks Bryan Dickson, CTO Center for Advanced Research & Technology

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Filer ATM card driver questions
by Joe Luchtenberg 01 Dec '00

01 Dec '00

I apologize for getting a little bit off topic... (I doubt many of you are terribly interested in pre-sales issues) Since so many NetApp personnel monitor this discussion list, could someone respond with who would be the best POC for me to call with a laundry list of specific detailed technical questions regarding ATM card drivers and support that is holding up a purchase request for a new filer. Pre-sales SE's are unavailable at this time, and I'd like to close this up today, if possible. TIA. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. New number and email, please update: 757.858.0600 858.0606 fax joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com

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