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Backup software recommendation?
by rbonine＠millermartin.com 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

We are in the process of installing an F720 to be used in an all-NT server environment. Can anyone recommend a good backup platform? We're planning to use an ADIC FastStor library connected to one of our NT boxes. Data size will be roughly 150 Gb. Will Backup Exec support this configuration? Their latest version, 8.5, mentions "NAS support", but doesn't go into any details. Any suggestions will be appreciated... ---------------------------------------- Roger Bonine IT Manager, System Support Miller & Martin LLP ---------------------------------------- *************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is legally privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. Any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail by an unauthorized recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments. Please also advise us immediately if you or your employer does not consent to receipt of Internet e-mail for confidential messages of this kind. *******************************************************************************

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Veritas & Filers, or: to NDMP or not to NDMP ...
by Shaun T. Erickson 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

... that is the question. I am switching from BudTool to Veritas Netbackup. It seems, if I understand things correctly, that I can either back up my filers over NFS, or I can use NDMP and back them up to a locally attached tape drive, or to another filer with a locally attached tape drive. NDMP seems the way to go, for performance and speed reasons. However, I stopped using NDMP with BudTool, because everytime I had to upgrade either BudTool or OnTap, I ran into compatability problems between the differing NDMP implimentations. What has been the experience of those of you who are using Veritas and have tried the above solutions? Which method do you suggest I use, and why? -ste -- Office: (908) 582-7629 Cell: (908) 672-6456 Pager: (888) 290-2057

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Re: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas
by Rune Bakken 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

BrianH(a)dice.com writes: > I cannot comment on Veritas, I was unable to eval their product because they > do not support NDMP on anything but solaris. Uh? Then why is Veritas selling me NDMP for NetApp client? http://www.support.veritas.com/dsl/lists/nbu_os_ddProduct_NETBACKUPDC_prod1… Anyway I have a QualStar 4660 still in the box, waiting for me to find time to have it installed on my new mediaserver. I do plan to use fiber to connect my filer, mediaserver and library. My dealer has promised me that this will work ... >>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. System Administrator When they wake up in the morning, that's as Nextra, good as they're going to feel all day." a Telenor Company - Frank Sinatra

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RE: VERITAS platforms (was Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas)
by Steve Kappel 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

Brian wrote: ... >I cannot comment on Veritas, I was unable to eval their product because they >do not support NDMP on anything but solaris. Just to clarify, this was with the NetBackup 3.1.1 release which is pretty old. VERITAS NetBackup NDMP is supported on the following platforms beginning with version 3.2 (spring 1999): Solaris (sparc) NT HP/UX AIX __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal)

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RE: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas
by Alvarado, Michael 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

Have you considered the GbE AIT 2 library from SpectraLogic? -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:00 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas In our quest for a Budtool + tape library replacement, we are currently looking at Veritas NetBackup and a Qualstar AIT-2 tape library for our 2 NetApp F760's. Does anyone have experience with this combination? Qualstar makes a good argument for AIT technology. Is AIT-2 fully supported on the 760? From looking on NOW, I noticed a few things: 1. The F760 SCSI port is HVD, Qualstar library is LVD-SE, so I need a converter. Can the Filer port be changed to LVD-SE? 2. Tape drive matrix on NOW (http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/cert_matrices/tape_drives.sht ml) says that versions below OnTap 6.0 require a PVR. What exactly is a PVR? Will I still get full performance from the drive? Is anyone using Veritas with a Qualstar library? Thanks, Moshe -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -

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RE: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas
by BrianH＠dice.com 10 Dec '00

10 Dec '00

I use a qualstar 4660 to backup my two 760's. It works great. It is fully supported by my 760's and 740's. I have never had any problems with it. You are right on the LVD comment. Except Qualstar can get you HVD drives if you request them. It was like a $400 option to get all the drives in HVD. The only problem I had then, was I had to get a HVD scsi card to control the robot arm, which was harder to find. I cannot comment on Veritas, I was unable to eval their product because they do not support NDMP on anything but solaris. --Brian -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Sent: 12/10/00 5:59 AM Subject: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas In our quest for a Budtool + tape library replacement, we are currently looking at Veritas NetBackup and a Qualstar AIT-2 tape library for our 2 NetApp F760's. Does anyone have experience with this combination? Qualstar makes a good argument for AIT technology. Is AIT-2 fully supported on the 760? From looking on NOW, I noticed a few things: 1. The F760 SCSI port is HVD, Qualstar library is LVD-SE, so I need a converter. Can the Filer port be changed to LVD-SE? 2. Tape drive matrix on NOW (http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/cert_matrices/tape_drives .shtml) says that versions below OnTap 6.0 require a PVR. What exactly is a PVR? Will I still get full performance from the drive? Is anyone using Veritas with a Qualstar library? Thanks, Moshe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----

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Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas
by Moshe Linzer 10 Dec '00

10 Dec '00

In our quest for a Budtool + tape library replacement, we are currently looking at Veritas NetBackup and a Qualstar AIT-2 tape library for our 2 NetApp F760's. Does anyone have experience with this combination? Qualstar makes a good argument for AIT technology. Is AIT-2 fully supported on the 760? From looking on NOW, I noticed a few things: 1. The F760 SCSI port is HVD, Qualstar library is LVD-SE, so I need a converter. Can the Filer port be changed to LVD-SE? 2. Tape drive matrix on NOW (http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/cert_matrices/tape_drives.sht…) says that versions below OnTap 6.0 require a PVR. What exactly is a PVR? Will I still get full performance from the drive? Is anyone using Veritas with a Qualstar library? Thanks, Moshe -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Netapp 840: 2 CPUs?
by Nicolas Perreten 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

We've noticed that the 840 system board has room for 2 CPUs although it only uses one. (The second slot is occupied by a "dummy" CPU). I've heard rumors that Netapp will be releasing another version of ONTAP which would make it possible to drop another Intel CPU and therefore improving performance. Has anyone heard the same? Nicolas Perreten Sr. Systems Architect Inquent Technologies Inc.

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NetCache Configuration Brain damage.
by Jaye Mathisen 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

2 identical Netcache's, 1 configured the way I want it, the other a blank slate. Both running 5.0D6. There seems to be no way to just take the config of one, change the IP (all the rest of the info is the same), and just stuff it back in the other cache. Instead, there's some monumentally convoluted multi-cache configuration BS that has to be gone through. Crap. Am I the only person out there that just wants 2 caches to work alike? And while the 5.0 GUI is vastly better than the 4.x gui, I am loathe to spend an hour clicking my way through all those damn screens *WHEN I HAVE A PERFECTLY GOOD CONFIGURATION FILE READY TO BE UPLOADED DAMMIT*.

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Re:SYNCSORT BACKUP EXPRESS
by Robert Souder 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

>> Anybody out there in Toasterland using SyncSort Backup Express? Would >> appreciate any first-hand insight -- I have a customer asking me to price it >> out for him, and I'd like to know how it stacks up vs. other products I know >> better (Veritas, Legato, CommVault, Workstation Solutions, etc.). TIA. Joe >> >>>I've been evaluating Backup Express for a little while now. >>>Along with Time Navigator (maybe Veritas soon). We eliminated >>>all the others for one reason or another. >>>There are alot of thing in BackEx I like (as compared to Tina) >>>but there are two big problems that we've found with it. The tape >>>duplication process tries to make an exact copy of the tape. For >>>Vault copies this can be a concern if you dest tape is a bit shorter >>>than the original. The data will just fall off the end of the tape. >>>Plus the software feels somewhat on the flaky side. I'm finding >>>a variety of things that should work but don't, plus having to restart >>>the GUI or the deamons to get things working again (like when it stopped >>>showing me the media report information). Talking with some people here >>>at the LISA show, they feel the same way. That BackEx is not as >>>stable as something like Veritas or Legato's products. >>>-- >>>Jeff Bryer bryer(a)sfu.ca >>>Systems Administrator (604) 291-4935 >>>Academic Computing, Simon Fraser University Jeff, We too have been evaluating and using Backup Express and have been very happy with it and the support received from Syncsort. They are one of the only ones that have a functional NDMP backup product that met our needs. The other companies like Veritas and Legato failed with either lack of support for robot capabilities or other technical reasons. As for restarting the GUI or daemons, we have not experienced this. Not to say we haven't experienced problems, but any problem we have encountered has been quickly answered by one of their support tech's. If they can't answer it they will get back to us usually within an hour. Bob Souder souder(a)super.org IDA - Center for Computing Sciences (CCS) (301) 805-7371

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