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RE: ndmpcopy and sysstat
by Fox, Adam 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

Sure can. All the "network traffic" is going through the loopback interface. Check out your ifstat -a and you'll see it. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Manny Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@mmcnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:47 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: ndmpcopy and sysstat > > > Hi, > > When running ndmpcopy, copying data localy, on an idle > machine, I notice > that when running sysstat I see that while there is intensive disk > activity there is also intensive network activity of similar > magnitude. > > I assumed that all the data would remain local on the netapp > without any > attempt of data going over the net. > > Can someone explain. >

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by Mister Bimmer 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

We run Tru64 4.0f with various Oracle databases from 7.3.4 to 8.1.7. I am researching acquiring a filer, probably an F840, to host the datafiles for some of my databases, as well as other file types such as Lotus Notes .nsf files, generic user file sharing, etc. I'm presently sustaining a combined 30 MB/Second with over 600 Transactions/Second over periods of an hour or more according to 'collect -T' on my UNIX boxes. I would mount the datafiles via nfs over GigE using an rsize/wsize of 8192 (the maximum for our version of Tru64) to two different servers, one for each database. I would run the fiber from each server through a 6509 and probably trunk two lines together from the switch to the filer. Any comments on the architecture, such as the Cisco trunking? Any comments on Oracle on a filer? Any comments on Tru64 with a filer? Any comments on my throughput requirements? Am I crazy? I really appreciate all of your help. It's very hard to prove that all the pieces will work right without hearing a little bit from everyone about their individual "real-world" experiences with the above. Thanks again, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: ASP caching
by Benn, Paul 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

Andrew, Actually, this is set on the filer by using the cifs.max_mpx option. The process is documented in the IIS white paper in section 4.3.1: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html#4.3.1 If you still have trouble after configuring the cifs.max_mpx option, please open a call with our customer support group. Regards, Paul Benn -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ajs@dca.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:58 AM To: Benn, Paul Cc: theffron(a)wisedata.com; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com ' Subject: RE: ASP caching Paul (and others): I've upgraded my F720 to 6.0.1R3 and I still see ASP caching happening with my two Windows 2000 / IIS 5.0 web servers. Editing an ASP script or uploading a new one has no effect - old data is still served up to http clients. I poked around and found this: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q271/1/48.ASP and contact Microsoft to get the Q271148 Hotfix. Installing that does not help. Since the upgrade to 6.0.1R3 I'm also now getting these errors in my Windows syslog: Apr 17 08:09:39 horizon w3svc[warning] The server was unable to add the virtual root '' for the directory '\\filer\ibreast\nt.ibreast.com' due to the following error: The system cannot find the file specified. The data is the error code. For additional information specific to this message please visit the Microsoft Online Support site located at: http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp. Apr 17 08:09:49 horizon w3svc[warning] The server was unable to add the virtual root '' for the directory '\\filer\hummweb\hummingbirdsociety.org' due to the following error: The network BIOS command limit has been reached. The data is the error code. For additional information specific to this message please visit the Microsoft Online Support site located at: http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp. Apr 17 08:09:49 horizon w3svc[warning] The server was unable to add the virtual root '' for the directory '\\filer\templehealth\tuhscareers.dca.net' due to the following error: The network BIOS command limit has been reached. The data is the error code. For additional information specific to this message please visit the Microsoft Online Support site located at: http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp. Apr 17 08:09:49 horizon w3svc[warning] The server was unable to add the virtual root '' for the directory '\\filer\infowdl\wdl.org' due to the following error: The network BIOS command limit has been reached. The data is the error code. For additional information specific to this message please visit the Microsoft Online Support site located at: http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp. Apr 17 08:09:49 horizon w3svc[warning] The server was unable to add the virtual root '' for the directory '\\filer\pcvbweb\pcvb.dca.net' due to the following error: The network BIOS command limit has been reached. The data is the error code. For additional information specific to this message please visit the Microsoft Online Support site located at: http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp. IIS has paths like this: \\filer\pcvbweb\pcvb.dca.net where \\filer is the filer, \pcvbweb is the CIFS shared unix home directory, and \pcvb.dca.net is a directory in the unix home directory. Does anyone have any other ideas? On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Benn, Paul wrote: > Here's a tidbit from the white paper: > > "Note: Selecting the "Run in separate memory space" option is generally not > recommended outside of ASP development. Enabling this option causes > excessive overhead by way of duplicate change/notify requests for each > process on the remote machine specified in the Network Directory field. This > is true not only for NetApp filers, but also for any machine that IIS > accesses in this manner. IIS 5 presents a third option (now under the > heading of Application Protection) called medium (pooled). Since this pools > processes together rather than creating a separate process for each one, it > doesn't cause as much overhead on the remote machine." > > http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ajs@dca.net] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:46 PM > To: theffron(a)wisedata.com > Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com ' > Subject: Re: ASP caching > > > > Hello, > > We have worked around this by disabling ASP caching on those vhosts where > it is requested. Once the customer finishes development work, we > re-enabling caching to keep the load down on our filer. > > The way to do this is: > > - Open the Properties window of the vhost in question in the IIS manager > - Under 'Home Directory' set the Application Protection to 'High' > - Press 'Configuration' and uncheck 'Cache ISAPI applications'. > > This works for us. We've found that if we disable 'Cache ISAPI > applications' for the entire web server, the load on our filer and out web > servers spikes way, way up. ISAPI caching dramatically increases > performance. I just wish that IIS was smart enough to look at something > as simple as the 'changed date' on a file to see if it should reload it > into cache. > > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jean-Christophe Smith wrote: > > > > > We have a cluster of Windows 2000 servers running IIS 5.0, content lives > on > > a NetApp F720 running OnTap Release 5.3.7R2. Our customers use FTP to > upload > > their web pages. > > > > IIS is caching ASP(active server pages), customers will make changes to > > their ASP files and try to view them(view IIS) and they see the older > pages. > > I read about this issue entitled "5.3 Active Server Page Caching" in the > > NetApp document "Integrating a NetApp Filer with Microsoft IIS". I > > understand it is an issue with CIFS change/notify events and the way IIS > was > > designed. > > > > Does anybody know a way of fixing this? or maybe way to increase the > > change/notify events, or... > > > > For now, we have to restart IIS when changes are made. > > > > Maybe I could write a program to manually induce change/notify events? > > > > Thanks, > > Jean-Christophe Smith > > jsmith(a)publichost.com > > VitalStream.com > > > > > > > >

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RE: ASP caching
by Benn, Paul 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

Here's a tidbit from the white paper: "Note: Selecting the "Run in separate memory space" option is generally not recommended outside of ASP development. Enabling this option causes excessive overhead by way of duplicate change/notify requests for each process on the remote machine specified in the Network Directory field. This is true not only for NetApp filers, but also for any machine that IIS accesses in this manner. IIS 5 presents a third option (now under the heading of Application Protection) called medium (pooled). Since this pools processes together rather than creating a separate process for each one, it doesn't cause as much overhead on the remote machine." http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Smith [mailto:ajs@dca.net] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:46 PM To: theffron(a)wisedata.com Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com ' Subject: Re: ASP caching Hello, We have worked around this by disabling ASP caching on those vhosts where it is requested. Once the customer finishes development work, we re-enabling caching to keep the load down on our filer. The way to do this is: - Open the Properties window of the vhost in question in the IIS manager - Under 'Home Directory' set the Application Protection to 'High' - Press 'Configuration' and uncheck 'Cache ISAPI applications'. This works for us. We've found that if we disable 'Cache ISAPI applications' for the entire web server, the load on our filer and out web servers spikes way, way up. ISAPI caching dramatically increases performance. I just wish that IIS was smart enough to look at something as simple as the 'changed date' on a file to see if it should reload it into cache. On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jean-Christophe Smith wrote: > > We have a cluster of Windows 2000 servers running IIS 5.0, content lives on > a NetApp F720 running OnTap Release 5.3.7R2. Our customers use FTP to upload > their web pages. > > IIS is caching ASP(active server pages), customers will make changes to > their ASP files and try to view them(view IIS) and they see the older pages. > I read about this issue entitled "5.3 Active Server Page Caching" in the > NetApp document "Integrating a NetApp Filer with Microsoft IIS". I > understand it is an issue with CIFS change/notify events and the way IIS was > designed. > > Does anybody know a way of fixing this? or maybe way to increase the > change/notify events, or... > > For now, we have to restart IIS when changes are made. > > Maybe I could write a program to manually induce change/notify events? > > Thanks, > Jean-Christophe Smith > jsmith(a)publichost.com > VitalStream.com > > >

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RE: SecureShare Quota Mngr
by Yoder, Alan 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

Please open a call with NetApp customer support. Alan =============================================================== Alan G. Yoder agy(a)netapp.com Network Appliance, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 408-822-6919 =============================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Ross [mailto:chuck.ross@signiant.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:53 AM > To: Net App List (E-mail) > Subject: SecureShare Quota Mngr > > > All, > > I'm a little confused about what I need in order to run this tool. > > I've installed SSQM but it tells me that the quota's haven't > been turned > on (they have). > > I installed SSAM but have not run it. If all it does is add > NT users to > the filler:/etc/passwd and quotas files then this has already > been done. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Chuck Ross > > SIGNIANT - A Nortel Networks Venture > 1550 Carling Avenue, Suite 101 > Ottawa, ON > K1Z 8S8 > > email: Chuck.Ross(a)signiant.com > tel: (613) 761-3605 > fax: (613) 761-3629 > >

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SecureShare Quota Mngr
by Chuck Ross 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

All, I'm a little confused about what I need in order to run this tool. I've installed SSQM but it tells me that the quota's haven't been turned on (they have). I installed SSAM but have not run it. If all it does is add NT users to the filler:/etc/passwd and quotas files then this has already been done. What am I doing wrong? Chuck Ross SIGNIANT - A Nortel Networks Venture 1550 Carling Avenue, Suite 101 Ottawa, ON K1Z 8S8 email: Chuck.Ross(a)signiant.com tel: (613) 761-3605 fax: (613) 761-3629

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FW: Learn more about the Symantec/Network Appliance Partnership
by Nail, Larry 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

CarrierScan info from Symantec. -----Original Message----- Subject: Learn more about the Symantec/Network Appliance Partnership Message forwarded from Kimber Whiting, Business Development Program Manager (bcc all corporate sales) Below is a Q&A regarding the Symantec/Network Appliance partnership announced on 4/10(http://www.symantec.com/press/2001/n010410.html). Please contact me via email or phone (408 517-7639) if you have any questions. Symantec and Network Appliance have entered into a strategic alliance involving reference selling, co-marketing and product development activities. Symantec has recently completed development work that enables CarrierScan Server to operate with the Net App® filer, using the Remote Procedure Call (RPC) technology, and NetCache, using the Internet Content Adaptation Protocol (iCAP) technology. Primary Sales Contact for North America, APAC, Latin America David Zuckerman, Account Manager 408-517-8415 dzuckerman(a)symantec.com Secondary Sales Contact for North America, APAC, Latin America: Matt Piquette, Inside Sales Manager 541-684-7576 mpiquette(a)symantec.com Primary Sales Contact for EMEA Paul Dinsmore, Director of Sales for SPSD EMEA +44-1628-592242 pdinsmore(a)symantec.com Please note: The licensing model used for CarrierScan Server for Network Appliance is slightly different from the standard value licensing program; please contact Dave Zuckerman or Matt Piquette for more information. Support licensing is separate from product licensing. CarrierScan Server for Network Appliance is not part of the Symantec anti-virus solution suite. It is a highly scalable anti-virus solution that features all of the key, award-winning virus scanning technologies available in Symantec's complete line of anti-virus products and was built to meet the key needs of large enterprises, services providers, and carriers. Kimber Whiting, Business Development Partner Program Manager 408-517-7639 kwhiting(a)symantec.com The CarrierScan Server 2.1 with RPC and iCAP shipped on April 6th, 2001. The partnership provides opportunities to work with Network Appliance's industry leading data management and storage appliances and caching appliances. NetApp® filers NetApp filers are a robust, field-proven, highly available solution (>99.99% data availability) for consolidating data and simplifying data management. NetApp filers are easy to manage appliances, specifically designed for today's scalable, network-centric IT system architectures. NetApp filers are designed for easy standards-based integration, guaranteeing rapid deployment, simplified ongoing management, and low cost of ownership. Multiprotocol heterogeneous data sharing provides simultaneous file system access to UNIX®, NT, and Web-based servers and clients. Leading-edge file-level data management tools, innovative data protection solutions, high performance client access, and simple system management are provided by the Data ONTAP? operating system and the patented NetApp WAFL? file system. For more information go to http://www.netapp.com/products/filer/product_info.html NetCache NetCache is Network Appliance's scalable suite of content delivery appliances. The proven NetCache products solve the complex content delivery problems faced by enterprises, content distribution networks, Internet service providers (ISPs), content providers, and e-commerce businesses. NetCache appliances currently power the world's largest enterprise and telco backbones. These appliances span your entire network, from central headquarters to remote points of presence (POPs) and local offices worldwide. They reduce network latency to enhance the overall Web experience for e-commerce customers, intranet users, and external suppliers and partners. NetCache appliances reliably deliver high-quality audio and video streams, enabling a host of next-generation network services and applications such as online training, executive broadcasts, and large-scale video-on-demand services. NetCache appliances also enable the delivery of value-added services such as ad insertion and virus scanning at the edge of the network. For more information go to http://www.netapp.com/products/netcache/netcache_family.html The Symantec technology implemented in this solution is CarrierScan Server (CSS) 2.1 for NT and Solaris platforms . CSS is Symantec's first carrier grade anti-virus solution and features all of the key, award-winning virus scanning technologies available in Symantec's complete line of anti-virus products. CSS tightly integrates with the RPC and iCAP protocols which enables CSS to provide anti-virus protection, mobile code detection and repair for businesses using the Net App filer and NetCache appliances. For more information about CarrierScan Server go to http://www.symantec.com/spsd/solutions/carrier/scan.shtml Establishes a strategic partnership with a world leader in the fast growing storage and caching market spaces. Significantly extends the reach of the Service Provider Solutions Division sales efforts into the enterprise and service provider space. Network Appliance employs more than 900 sales reps and SEs and provides products and services to leading corporations and service providers worldwide. By combining best of breed solutions, the partnership strengthens Symantec's position in the Internet security space. Extends visibility of Symantec's carrier grade anti-virus solution as a best of breed solution in the network storage and caching spaces. Symantec is the first to provide an anti-virus solution for both the filer and NetCache. The partnership benefits enterprise and service provider organizations by offering them robust, best of breed solutions to help manage and store data, deliver content quickly and ensure data, networks and company operations are protected from spread of malicious viruses. With CarrierScan Server featuring RPC, Net App filer customers can easily protect their storage systems from viruses. If a virus passes undetected through a firewall, the storage system stores the infected file and becomes a vehicle for the wide spread of viruses. CarrierScan Server can detect and repair infected files stored in the file system and prevent the spread of damaging viruses. With CarrierScan Server featuring I-CAP, NetCache customers can speed the delivery of content and scan it for viruses at the gateway before the data reaches end users. Service providers can differentiate themselves by delivering CSS as a value-added Internet service to help create new revenue streams and reduce customer turnover. The target audience ranges from global 2000 enterprises, ISPs, ASPs, government agencies to medium to small businesses and remote branch offices. The partnership should not affect the sales of Norton AntiVirus corporate edition because this CarrierScan Sever solution works specifically with data and storage management and caching appliances. The CarrierScan Server for Network Appliance does not eliminate the need for a desktop anti-virus solution in an organization. It is a vital addition to a total anti-virus solution suite needed to protect multiple points of entry into an organization's network. All Sales-Corporate

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RE: ndmpcopy and sysstat
by Krause, Oliver 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

ndmpcopy copies data over the loopback device. If i remember right, loopback data is also accounted to network traffic in sysstat. Oliver > -----Original Message----- > From: Manny Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@mmcnet.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 17. April 2001 09:47 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: ndmpcopy and sysstat > > > Hi, > > When running ndmpcopy, copying data localy, on an idle > machine, I notice > that when running sysstat I see that while there is intensive disk > activity there is also intensive network activity of similar > magnitude. > > I assumed that all the data would remain local on the netapp > without any > attempt of data going over the net. > > Can someone explain. >

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ndmpcopy and sysstat
by Manny Kaiser 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

Hi, When running ndmpcopy, copying data localy, on an idle machine, I notice that when running sysstat I see that while there is intensive disk activity there is also intensive network activity of similar magnitude. I assumed that all the data would remain local on the netapp without any attempt of data going over the net. Can someone explain.

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RE: dump / restore to the filer
by Fox, Adam 17 Apr '01

17 Apr '01

Not exactly. You can't do it on the command line, but the ndmpcopy utility does what you are looking for. You take a client and run ndmpcopy with the source and destination being the same filer. This effectively does a dump | restore on the same filer (it acutally uses the loopback interface, which is effectively the same thing). Since the data doesn't go through the client, it doesn't really matter what the client is or the network connectivity to the filer. I've done this with a SPARC 10 with a 10BT connection to the filer. The only traffic that comes back to the client are occasional status packets so that ndmpcopy can update you every 5 minutes. So the functionality is possible, just not exactly how you would expect to execute it. ndmpcopy is available at ndmp.org or from the NOW site. Hope this helps -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Coder, James (STP) [mailto:james.coder@guidant.com] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 5:38 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: dump / restore to the filer > > > Is it possible to do a dump / restore on the same command > line like in Unix? > (similar to dumping to standard out then reading from > standard in ). I want > to dump some files from one volume to new volume, then move > the remaining > files to a 2nd new volume (all on the same filer). NetApp > documentation > says to vol copy the complete volume then blow the files I > don't want away. > This seems like doubling my work. Any ideas / help? > > thx in advance - jc > > James C. Coder > Guidant CRM > email: james.coder(a)guidant.com > Phone: 651-582-4797 >

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