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CA NDMP platform announcement
by Joe Luchtenberg 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

They're calling it BrightStor. Haven't had a chance to look at it in detail yet, but cursory look shows it supports NDMP b/u to direct attached tape library and 3-way filer-to-filer (but apparently not filer to server or ethernet-enabled tape library), as well as supporting EMC TimeFinder, EMC FastTrax and IBM mainframe (3494). http://www.ca.com/press/caworld2001/brightstor/index.htm Any beta-testers/early-adopters? Am looking for a platform with NDMP support that is certified to backup TNG... Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com

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RE: performance data collection
by Witham, John 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

MRTG, Definitely. It's free. There's a Solaris download on NOW, and an NT port floating around. Let me know if you want it. Cheers! -john -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Franey [mailto:KFraney@epnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:56 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: performance data collection What's the best way to capture performance data on an f840 in order to examine/analyze how the system is doing? This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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Process command question on server running HP ux10
by leonard.galinsky＠philips.com 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

When I run the Top Utility on my HP UX 10.20 Box (the rest are 11.0). The command that the process is running is called "basicdsd". It is running continously & growing in size. Any Ideas what "basicdsd" is? Thanks -

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performance data collection
by Kevin Franey 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

What's the best way to capture performance data on an f840 in order to examine/analyze how the system is doing?

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RE: Process command question on server running HP ux10
by Foster, Steven 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Check this out... http://forums.itrc.hp.com/cm/QuestionAnswer/1,1150,0xc2b0e7613948d5118fef00… Steve -----Original Message----- From: leonard.galinsky(a)philips.com [mailto:leonard.galinsky@philips.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:23 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Process command question on server running HP ux10 When I run the Top Utility on my HP UX 10.20 Box (the rest are 11.0). The command that the process is running is called "basicdsd". It is running continously & growing in size. Any Ideas what "basicdsd" is? Thanks -

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RE: Process command question on server running HP ux10
by Traitel, Eyal 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

The "cdsd" part sounds like a Cadence daemon. I wonder if it's related... Can you post outputs of the ps ? Eyal. -----Original Message----- From: leonard.galinsky(a)philips.com [mailto:leonard.galinsky@philips.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 17:23 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Process command question on server running HP ux10 When I run the Top Utility on my HP UX 10.20 Box (the rest are 11.0). The command that the process is running is called "basicdsd". It is running continously & growing in size. Any Ideas what "basicdsd" is? Thanks -

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by jeff.mery＠ni.com 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

My team is going to evaluate the BMC product on Thursday this week as part of a larger-scale software evaluation. I'll be sure to pass on what we see. J- |--------+----------------------------> | | Jay Newton | | | <jnewton@chkenergy| | | .com> | | | Sent by: | | | owner-toasters@mat| | | hworks.com | | | | | | | | | 07/09/2001 04:42 | | | PM | | | | |--------+----------------------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'Jeffrey Krueger'" <jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com>, "Honeycutt, Michael" <MichaelHoneycutt(a)NC.SLR.com> | | cc: "'Coartney, Paul'" <Paul.Coartney(a)netapp.com>, Jay Newton <jnewton(a)chkenergy.com>, "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" | | <toasters(a)mathworks.com> | | Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I looked real closely at the Highground stuff. There's a module called Prospector that will allow me to do what I need at the file level. I'm afraid that it's going to cost an arm and a leg, though. I haven't looked at BMC too closely yet but I will. Hopefully the price will be more attractive. Thank you all for your input. It has helped tremendously! -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:52 PM To: Honeycutt, Michael Cc: 'Coartney, Paul'; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Looking for drive space utilization reports This is true Michael. DFM is a very nice multi-filer management tool and is tightly integrated with the filers. It has lots of useful reports, especially for multi-filer sites that are trying to find a chunk of free space or figure out how much they can expand certain filers. DFM will not do two of the things Jay asked for though - it will not tell you the type of data using the space, nor will it tell you which users are putting it there. It is more designed to be a multi-filer management tool than a storage management tool. Highground will (somewhat) do what Jay is looking for. He may also consider looking into BMC. They bill their storage management tools as being "Application specific" - that is they have a capability of mapping certain applications (like Oracle) to data usage. Like Highground, BMC has an agent-based architecture; however, I'm not sure of Highground's support for "Tier 1 storage". BMC has agents for monitoring NetApp as well as EMC Symetrix, Hitachi, etc. Good luck Jay! -- Jeff On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 12:02:35PM -0400, Honeycutt, Michael wrote: > The reason I suggested Highground is because it has the ability to monitor > "soft" quotas. It wont enforce quotas on the filer, but it will e-mail users > when they are close to reaching their quota. As far as I know, the Data > Fabric Manager doesnt have this functionality. Is this true or is my mind > clouded from last weeks vacation? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Coartney, Paul [mailto:Paul.Coartney@netapp.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:46 AM > To: Honeycutt, Michael; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > NetApp has a new tool called Data Fabric Manager that may fit your > requirements, and is a lot cheaper than highground. You may want to call > your sales rep and get a demo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:59 AM > To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > Try this link. http://www.highground.com/ <http://www.highground.com/> > FYI, this company is a subsidary of Sun Microsystems. They can arrange a > free demo if you are interested. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > > I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me > gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we > currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage > elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type > of data using it, and which users are putting it there. > > Anyone out there have any ideas? > > > Jay Newton > Systems Engineer > Chesapeake Operating > 6112-114 > (405)810-2683 > (405)879-9578 fax >

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MSCS Exchange cluster and NetApp CFO cluster
by Joe Luchtenberg 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Anybody out there running Exchange 5.5 on NT 4.0 SP6a with two-node, Active/Passive MSCS cluster and the information store on a NetApp CFO cluster (forgive my multiple instances of redundancy)? According to the documentation for SnapManager 1.1 this is now a supported configuration. Insight/comments/lessons learned greatly appreciated. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Bokkelkamp Ernst SBS ITS GDP 2 14 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

A more practical suggestion: Industrial strength electric drill. No joke. I know a company which deals with very confidentional information (a service provider for tax consultants) which drills a hole right through every old disk drive before it leaves the premises. -Ernst -----Original Message----- From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] Sent: Montag, 9. Juli 2001 22:23 To: 'Jeffrey Krueger'; Fox, Adam Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: RE: Deleting data on NetApp. Try an electromagnet. I hear they work wonders on disk data :) -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:56 PM To: Fox, Adam Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. I just wish I could delete files on a NetApp from the console. It takes forever and a day to remove a hundred or more GB off a filer from either CIFS or NFS. An "rm" in the ONTAP CLI would be super handy. It could work *much* faster then over the wire. Further, an "rm -F" to delete files through the active file system and all snapshots would even be keener. =) -- Jeff On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:59:53AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated > you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. > > For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even multiple times > if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. > > I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after > you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But that's a lot of > time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. > > If you are concerned about professional, government-backed efforts to > recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks > entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose of those pieces > in different trash containers. While this is certainly expensive since > you can't return or re-use the disks, it is by far the most secure. > However, there are very few people who need this level of security, but > it's an option if your data abosulutely cannot ever be recovered. > > Hope this helps. > > -- Adam Fox > NetApp Professional Services, NC > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Israel, Meital [mailto:meital.israel@intel.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:55 AM > > To: NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > > Subject: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without > > being able to > > unformat it? > > > > Thanks, > > ************************************** > > Meital > > >

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Yoder, Alan 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

This leaves something like 90% of the data still accessible. If you're at this level of security I'd recommend chipping the drives into small pieces or immersing them in molten metal in a forge or mashing them beyond recognition with a 20 lb sledge. That last technique is even kinda fun. Have a party. In normal use, it is impossible to view the previous contents of a file once it and all snapshots containing it are deleted. WAFL zeroes every block before allocating it to a file, so you can't create a file and write to the millionth byte in the expectation of seeing a meg of info from deleted files the way you can on many other filesystems. Alan =============================================================== Alan G. Yoder, Ph.D. agy(a)netapp.com Network Appliance, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 408-822-6919 =============================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Bokkelkamp Ernst SBS ITS GDP 2 14 > [mailto:Ernst.Bokkelkamp@mch10.sbs.de] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:26 PM > To: Honeycutt, Michael; 'Jeffrey Krueger'; Fox, Adam > Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > A more practical suggestion: Industrial strength electric drill. > > No joke. I know a company which deals with very > confidentional information > (a service provider for tax consultants) which drills a hole > right through > every old disk drive before it leaves the premises. > > -Ernst > > -----Original Message----- > From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] > Sent: Montag, 9. Juli 2001 22:23 > To: 'Jeffrey Krueger'; Fox, Adam > Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > Try an electromagnet. I hear they work wonders on disk data :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:56 PM > To: Fox, Adam > Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > I just wish I could delete files on a NetApp from the > console. It takes > forever and a day to remove a hundred or more GB off a filer > from either > CIFS or NFS. > > An "rm" in the ONTAP CLI would be super handy. It could work > *much* faster > then over the wire. Further, an "rm -F" to delete files > through the active > file system and all snapshots would even be keener. =) > > -- Jeff > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:59:53AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > > This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated > > you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. > > > > For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even > multiple times > > if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. > > > > I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after > > you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But > that's a lot of > > time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. > > > > If you are concerned about professional, government-backed > efforts to > > recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks > > entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose > of those pieces > > in different trash containers. While this is certainly > expensive since > > you can't return or re-use the disks, it is by far the most secure. > > However, there are very few people who need this level of > security, but > > it's an option if your data abosulutely cannot ever be recovered. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > -- Adam Fox > > NetApp Professional Services, NC > > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Israel, Meital [mailto:meital.israel@intel.com] > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:55 AM > > > To: NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > > > Subject: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without > > > being able to > > > unformat it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > ************************************** > > > Meital > > > > > >

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