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/etc/oldmaps and NetApp dumps
by Chris Thompson 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Regulars will recall the thread back in March-April about the /etc/oldmaps files and the way that ONTAP 6.x uses them (or is supposed to) to make sure files moved into a tree being dumped get included in incremental dumps even if their ctime/mtime's haven't been updated. And they may even remember that my last contribution (2 April) was > So either I didn't understand after all, or this splendid new facility > has bugs in it ... :-( I pursued this with NetApp, and Stephen Manley did some great work on it, and the problem I was having is now understood. It's burt 45289 if you want to add it to your BugWatch list. It arises if you use "dump" on a path which is a whole volume or qtree, but also use the "l" option so that only part of it is actually being dumped. If it wasn't for the "l" option, nothing could be moved into the area being dumped without it being given a new ctime, and so in that case ignoring the /etc/oldmaps files would be a correct optimisation (and that's what it does), but it becomes a false one with "l" present in the options. Many thanks again to NetApp support for their help in tracking this down. Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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soft shutdown; power management
by Todd C. Merrill 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Anyway to do a "soft shutdown" on a filer? By this I mean, pushing a button on the box that will gracefully shut it down. Many SGI systems, some HP systems, some pc BIOSes will initiate a graceful shutdown of the system if the power button is pressed and released rapidly. If not, may I ask this be considered in a future design? With appropriate safeguards, like an option "safeshutdown" to enable or disable this feature. Or, perhaps a way to turn off power to a filer remotely, like the Sun Netras have with their LOM capabilities. We had some power problems this weekend, and being able to tell someone over the phone "just push <this> button" [0] would have been preferable to driving in to shutdown a bunch of filers. I could have halted them remotely via a serial console server, but when the power started bouncing up and down, I didn't want the filers to start back up and then come down hard again. [0] Telling this person, who was not computer savvy in the least, to telnet in, execute 'halt' and then power off the two power supplies on the back of the filer and disk shelves was not within the realm of possibility. Until next time... The Mathworks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Jay Newton 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

What was the pricing like for SRM and the Prospector add-on? What is your infrastructure? -----Original Message----- From: Loux, Linda [mailto:LLoux@rii.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:58 PM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports We have been using SRM for some time. While it provides good information for overall growth and predictions, I was unable to get the level of detail and customization in the reports that met our needs. I have recently received Prospector, and am preparing for use of that product. I'll be happy to provide additional feedback when I've had more time to see how it works! Linda Loux Systems Administrator Rosetta Inpharmatics -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg [mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:21 AM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports On paper HighGround's SRM Infrastructure Suite looks interesting ( http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm <http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm> ). Anybody using it? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax **************************************************************************** This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ****************************************************************************

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Loux, Linda 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

We have been using SRM for some time. While it provides good information for overall growth and predictions, I was unable to get the level of detail and customization in the reports that met our needs. I have recently received Prospector, and am preparing for use of that product. I'll be happy to provide additional feedback when I've had more time to see how it works! Linda Loux Systems Administrator Rosetta Inpharmatics -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg [mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:21 AM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports On paper HighGround's SRM Infrastructure Suite looks interesting ( http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm <http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm> ). Anybody using it? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax **************************************************************************** This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ****************************************************************************

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Joe Luchtenberg 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

On paper HighGround's SRM Infrastructure Suite looks interesting ( http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm <http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm> ). Anybody using it? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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Re: 36F disk
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Ferd: Your personal attacks in a public forum are unfair; I earn my living honorably, as I would imagine you do. Please give us a break: we are brokers and re-sellers of used computer equipment and don't pretend to be anything else. We have many NetApp customers that have benefited from doing business with us. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com In a message dated 7/4/01 9:48:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ferd_berfl(a)yahoo.com writes: > Mr. Fischmann, without citing your numerous, repetitive, emails, could we > qualify all your emails to have the same fundamental message: > > Subject: ask Network Appliance for software transferability (and consider > doing business with union computer exchange) > > Given the fact that your emails are incredibly repetitive, do you have > anything at all to add to this mailing list other than the repetitive > exhortation about transferable software licenses? BTW, I take it that your > repeated exhortations are not generated simply out of the goodness of your > heart and your warm feeling for all Network Appliance customers, but perhaps > are motivated by some financial agenda that benefits you and Union Computer > Exchange, Inc.? > > How about anytime you want to repeat your same email again, just writing > "yada yada software license yada yada transferable yada yada leasing company > yada yada union computer exchange yada yada" and we'll know what you mean to > say. > > Thanks for your humanistic warm concern for us all.

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Phillips, Steve 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Have you taken a look at DataFabric Manager? http://www.netapp.com/products/filer/datafabric.html -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports Importance: Low I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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best configuration Netapp,NetBackup
by Fayek, Ahmed 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Hello all, does anybody have experience with using NetBackup with Netapp filers (using NDMP) ? This time it's a question about best configuration. let's say we have 4 volumes in one filer and 1 volume in the second filer. so we need to backup the 5 volumes. i think about creating 2 classes, one per filer. and only one volume pool to serve both filers. but in this way each set of tapes (group) will take the backup from all the 5 volumes sequentially. so in this case if i need to restore a file from the 5th volume it will need to go through all the tapes till it reaches it. also what if one tape of this set is damaged, will this make all the set (group) unuseful ? this configuration reduces the number of tapes per group, and it looks simple. but another way appears, to create 2 classes, one per filer (no change) and create one volume pool per netapp volume , so create 5 volume pools, with initially one tape in each and create a scratch pool to serve all the pools in need for tapes. but in this case the number of tapes used will increase. i don't know if it is that serious to choose between the 2 configurations, but i know it may impact all the system in the future. So does anyone have a better idea, or better experience with this stuff ? Appreciate your response Ahmed

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Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Jay Newton 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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AW: DS14 disk shelves
by Poellmann, Christoph ISY 1 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

I'd like to refresh a question which has been raised end of may. See below. Is there anyone out there who uses the new DS14 shelves? Any bad experiences (or good ones of course)? I have to decide now wether to increase capacity with 7x72GB in FC9 or with 14x36Gb in DS14. The 36 GB disk approach with DS14 would fit much better in our administration model, but there are the fears: to be one of the first to use them, no field experience etc. Christoph -- INA * Herzogenaurach * Germany fon: 09132 824691 * mobile fon: 0173 5768452 > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Scott Mikusko [mailto:guerilla@concentric.net] > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2001 21:42 > An: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Betreff: DS14 disk shelves > > > > Anyone out there in toasterland have any of the new DS14 disk shelves? > Trying to get some idea of performance and impressions on the > new units > with people. > > These are the new fibre channel disk shelves that house 14 drives from > Netapp. Seen some basic spcs on them, but wondered if anyone has > installed and run these on any F700/800 series units. > > -Scott > >

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