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dump timeout
by Igor Schein 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

Hi, We are running multitape dump to a locally attached ATL L200 library with SDLT drive. Once dump has written to the end of the, the tape gets unload, the new tape gets loaded and the dump continues. A small percentage of our tapes for some reason take longer than others to get loaded into the drive. But it looks like dump has hardcoded timeout, or hardcoded number of tries, after which it thinks the next tape failed to load, and backup aborts. From the common sense viewpoint, dump should ( at least optionally ) wait/keep trying indefinitely for the next tape to load, so that an admin doesn't lose time in this case, and in case where not enough tapes were loaded in the library to begin with. Does anyone know of a solution for this issue? Thanks Igor

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RE: qual_devices and ST173404FC
by hilltemp 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

Hey Clarence, Haven't seen you since NetApp training in Sydney, hope all is well. You are definitely right. You are asking for trouble putting in unqualified disks. Now, has anybody got any clues on my NFS problems I posted? Aaron Hill Systems Engineer Navitaire -----Original Message----- From: Clarence Ngoh [mailto:cngoh@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:06 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: qual_devices and ST173404FC I am pretty sure that third party disks are not usable. NetApp disks contains a firmware that needs to operate and understand the WAFL system. Note that your system will automagically shut down in 72 hours with the continued use of the unqualified disk. -- Clarence. On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:40 am, in a distant galaxy, steve(a)hq.newdream.net, wrote: > I installed 3rd party Seagate drives ST173404FC drives in my F720 filer > running Ontap 6.3. I updated the /etc/qual_devices with the one from the > website. However the filer still complains about these disks. It says: > > Disk 8.8 ("SEAGATE ", "ST173404FCCereva", "FAD5") could not be qualified > > Device qualification failure detected. Refer to the > qual_devices man page for information on updating device > qualification data. All devices MUST be qualified > for continued system operation. > > Mon Oct 14 23:14:50 GMT [dyn_dev_qual_admin:error]: Device qualification > failure detected. Mon Oct 14 23:14:50 GMT [dyn_dev_qual_admin:info]: > Firmware is up-to-date on all disk drives Mon Oct 14 23:14:50 GMT > [ses_update_admin:info]: All disk shelves have up-to-date firmware. > > Can I edit the qual_devices and add a line for ST173404FCCereva? Because > it already has a line for ST173404FC which I thought would work fine with > these drives. Whatever 'Cereva' means I don't know, but the drives are > brand new and they don't say Cereva on the front. They say 'Model: > ST173404FC'. So I'm not sure why netapp is recognizing them differently. > > Has anyone else been able to use 3rd party 72GB disks? Which > brand/model did you use. I've had no trouble before using 3rd party > ST19171FC disks. This is the first time I've ever seen anything like > this. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Steve

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qual_devices and ST173404FC
by steve＠hq.newdream.net 15 Oct '02

15 Oct '02

I installed 3rd party Seagate drives ST173404FC drives in my F720 filer running Ontap 6.3. I updated the /etc/qual_devices with the one from the website. However the filer still complains about these disks. It says: Disk 8.8 ("SEAGATE ", "ST173404FCCereva", "FAD5") could not be qualified Device qualification failure detected. Refer to the qual_devices man page for information on updating device qualification data. All devices MUST be qualified for continued system operation. Mon Oct 14 23:14:50 GMT [dyn_dev_qual_admin:error]: Device qualification failure detected. Mon Oct 14 23:14:50 GMT [dyn_dev_qual_admin:info]: Firmware is up-to-date on all disk drives Mon Oct 14 23:14:50 GMT [ses_update_admin:info]: All disk shelves have up-to-date firmware. Can I edit the qual_devices and add a line for ST173404FCCereva? Because it already has a line for ST173404FC which I thought would work fine with these drives. Whatever 'Cereva' means I don't know, but the drives are brand new and they don't say Cereva on the front. They say 'Model: ST173404FC'. So I'm not sure why netapp is recognizing them differently. Has anyone else been able to use 3rd party 72GB disks? Which brand/model did you use. I've had no trouble before using 3rd party ST19171FC disks. This is the first time I've ever seen anything like this. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve

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RE: verifying that snap is turned off
by Daniel Finn 12 Oct '02

12 Oct '02

On all of my netapps running a newer version of ONTAP the command worked and I got the following resonse: snapmirror is not licensed but on my F740 running NetApp Release 5.3.5R2 it doesn't recognize that command. What is the way with the older versions of ONTAP to verity that snap is turned off? Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kennedy [mailto:jlkennedy@amcc.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:04 PM To: Daniel Finn Subject: Re: verifying that snap is turned off snapmirror status Daniel Finn wrote: > > How can I do this? -- ===================== Jeff Kennedy Unix Administrator AMCC jlkennedy(a)amcc.com

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RE: Replacing a SCSI cable
by Link, Bill (OTS-EDH) 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

It's more or less "safe" if you are dealing with passive (differential) interfaces. If dealing with active (single-ended) interface I like to be sure that the device with the far end terminator is powered down. In any case, all the devices in the string have to be idle when you break the chain. SCSI controllers get most upset when they lose sight of their terminator while a bus transaction is taking place. Bill Link SysAdmin, DSTOutput inc. and Old Hardware Guy bill_link(a)billing.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sphar [mailto:mike.sphar@Remedy.COM] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:44 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing a SCSI cable Is that really safe? I was always taught never to connect or disconnect a SCSI cable on a powered-up system due to the possibility of damaging the SCSI controller, and I've actually seen that happen on a sparcstation once. Do the netapps and the tape drives have some additional technology that allows hot-swapping the scsi cable? -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Remedy Corporation -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ball [mailto:MBall@datalink.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:36 AM To: 'igor(a)txc.com'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing a SCSI cable Igor, You can hot swap the cable. I would sure no backup jobs are running on the Netapp and if you are using NDMP make sure you turn it off (ndmpd off) before swapping cables. It should work fine. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Igor Schein [mailto:igor@txc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:05 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacing a SCSI cable Hi, what is the current recommendation as far as replacing a SCSI cable connecting the filer and the tape library? Does filer need to be rebooted, or is it safe to hot-swap the cable? Thanks Igor Notice: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Thank you.

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verifying that snap is turned off
by Daniel Finn 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

How can I do this?

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RE: Replacing a SCSI cable
by Mike Ball 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

As long as there is no signal (ex- scanning SCSI card or Tape I/O) going down the SCSI line while the cables are being swapped I have never had a issue. It is nothing special about the Netapp. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sphar [mailto:mike.sphar@Remedy.COM] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:44 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing a SCSI cable Is that really safe? I was always taught never to connect or disconnect a SCSI cable on a powered-up system due to the possibility of damaging the SCSI controller, and I've actually seen that happen on a sparcstation once. Do the netapps and the tape drives have some additional technology that allows hot-swapping the scsi cable? -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Remedy Corporation -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ball [mailto:MBall@datalink.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:36 AM To: 'igor(a)txc.com'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing a SCSI cable Igor, You can hot swap the cable. I would sure no backup jobs are running on the Netapp and if you are using NDMP make sure you turn it off (ndmpd off) before swapping cables. It should work fine. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Igor Schein [mailto:igor@txc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:05 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacing a SCSI cable Hi, what is the current recommendation as far as replacing a SCSI cable connecting the filer and the tape library? Does filer need to be rebooted, or is it safe to hot-swap the cable? Thanks Igor

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RE: rateup from filer-mrtg.tar.gz from Netapp core dumps under li nux
by Daniel Finn 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Thanks for the help. I put your rateup in place and I'm still getting errors. Although they aren't very helpful to me: [root@sadqalx38 mrtg-bin]# /var/www/html/netapps/bin/mrtg-filer-stats.sh na1m-be.studentadvantage.com password + SERVER=na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + PORT=password + USER= + PASSWD= + MRTG_HOME=/var/www/html/netapps/mrtg-bin + MRTG_BIN=/var/www/html/netapps/mrtg-bin + FILER_STATS_HOME=/var/www/html/netapps + BASE_WORKDIR=/var/www/html/netapps/monitor + CONF=/var/www/html/netapps/conf/na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.cfg + INDEX_FILE=/var/www/html/netapps/monitor/na1m-be.studentadvantage.com/index. html + TITLE=Filer statistics for 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com' + REGEX=na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + /var/www/html/netapps/bin/retrieve-filer.sh na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + SERVER=na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + FILER_ASCII_PORT= + USERNAME= + PASSWD= + FILER_STATS_HOME=/var/www/html/netapps + PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/gnu/bin:/var/www/html/netapps/bin: + export PATH + DATA_FILE=/var/www/html/netapps/data/retrieve-filer-na1m-be.studentadvantage .com.dat + GNU_EGREP= + RCMD=rsh + echo Name: na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + retrieve-cpu.pl na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + /var/www/html/netapps/mrtg-bin/mrtg /var/www/html/netapps/conf/na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.cfg PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.net.snmp' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.nfs.snmp' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.cpu' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.cifs.snmp' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.cifsothers.snmp' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.net.interface1' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.net.interface2' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.net.interface3' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.net.interface4' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.net.interface5' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.df.vol1' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.df.vol0' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) + /var/www/html/netapps/mrtg-bin/indexmaker /var/www/html/netapps/conf/na1m-be.studentadvantage.com.cfg Filer statistics for 'na1m-be.studentadvantage.com' na1m-be.studentadvantage.com + exit 0 any ideas what Signal 8 is. The binary itself runs, which is better than before. [root@sadqalx38 mrtg-bin]# ./rateup ./rateup for mrtg 2.9.4 Usage: ./rateup directory basename [sampletime] [t sampletime] [-(t)ransparent] [u|a|g|h|m in out abs_max] [i/p file maxvi maxvo maxx maxy growright step bits] any other ideas as to what the problem could be? Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: Crass, Kevin To: 'Daniel Finn' Sent: 10/10/02 6:08 PM Subject: RE: rateup from filer-mrtg.tar.gz from Netapp core dumps under li nux Dan, I created one for Linux for a laptop project I was working on. You can take it from my distribution attached. Regards, Kevin Crass Network Appliance, Inc. Professional Services Engineer -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Finn [mailto:DFinn@studentadvantage.com] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:31 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: rateup from filer-mrtg.tar.gz from Netapp core dumps under linux Did anybody else have problems with this? It runs fine on a Solaris9 server but when I tried to install it on one of our linux utility servers here the rateup program would core dump. It's RedHat 6.2 running kernel 2.2.19-6.2.1smp, i686.. I would prefer to run it on the linux server so any help would be really appreciated. Thanks Dan <<mrtg.tar.Z>>

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RE: Replacing a SCSI cable
by Mike Sphar 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Is that really safe? I was always taught never to connect or disconnect a SCSI cable on a powered-up system due to the possibility of damaging the SCSI controller, and I've actually seen that happen on a sparcstation once. Do the netapps and the tape drives have some additional technology that allows hot-swapping the scsi cable? -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Remedy Corporation -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ball [mailto:MBall@datalink.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:36 AM To: 'igor(a)txc.com'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing a SCSI cable Igor, You can hot swap the cable. I would sure no backup jobs are running on the Netapp and if you are using NDMP make sure you turn it off (ndmpd off) before swapping cables. It should work fine. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Igor Schein [mailto:igor@txc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:05 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacing a SCSI cable Hi, what is the current recommendation as far as replacing a SCSI cable connecting the filer and the tape library? Does filer need to be rebooted, or is it safe to hot-swap the cable? Thanks Igor

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RE: Replacing a SCSI cable
by Mike Ball 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Igor, You can hot swap the cable. I would sure no backup jobs are running on the Netapp and if you are using NDMP make sure you turn it off (ndmpd off) before swapping cables. It should work fine. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Igor Schein [mailto:igor@txc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:05 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacing a SCSI cable Hi, what is the current recommendation as far as replacing a SCSI cable connecting the filer and the tape library? Does filer need to be rebooted, or is it safe to hot-swap the cable? Thanks Igor

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