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RE: Ontap 6.5 ?
by graham.adams＠bt.com 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

We WERE running 6.5.1R1P12 - until NFS permanently stopped working on our FAS960c (cluster), caused by a bug involving DNS. The "fix" was to upgrade immediately to 6.5.2P6 . -- Graham Adams -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of James Brigman Sent: 10 September 2004 05:01 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Ontap 6.5 ? It cannot be true that 6.5.1R1 = 6.5.2 because: - at one time, both were available on NOW, - 6.5.1R1 and DFM 3.0 together will panic a filer - 6.5.2 is the fix for the bug I know because I'm running 6.5.1R1 right now and cannot upgrade DFM without going to 6.5.2. JKB > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > On Behalf Of Rohan Durrant > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:01 AM > To: Frank Bonnet > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Ontap 6.5 ? > > Hi Frank, > > 6.5.1R1 has now become the GA release 6.5.2 :) Currently there are no > releases of OnTap classed as FCS. If you reallly need 6.5.1R1, click on > 6.5.2 to download, and modify the URL to show the version you require. I > think there is somewhere on the Now site to enter a specific version of > OnTap to download as well. > > Cheers > > On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 18:26, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version > > and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page > > is there a new page for it ? > > > > I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers > > > > Thanks > -- > ********************************************************************* > Rohan Durrant Phone: +61 3 992 53210 > Unix Systems Administrator Fax: +61 3 966 21617 > RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia Work: rohan.at.cs.rmit.edu.au > School of Computer Science & Info Tech. Play: noddy.at.toytown.org > SAGE-AU National Exec http://www.sage-au.org.au > ********************************************************************* >

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RE: Ontap 6.5 ?
by Hill, Aaron 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

My guess is that 6.5.1R1 was removed due to the many problems it had and replaced with the 6.5.2 offering. As I mentioned before, 6.5.2 is no bed of roses. So if you must go up, go for 6.5.2P6 to fix a couple of nasty problems. My experience with 6.5 says stick with 6.4 releases if you can. Unless you absolutely need the new features of 6.5. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: James Brigman [mailto:jbrigman@nc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 2:01 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Ontap 6.5 ? It cannot be true that 6.5.1R1 = 6.5.2 because: - at one time, both were available on NOW, - 6.5.1R1 and DFM 3.0 together will panic a filer - 6.5.2 is the fix for the bug I know because I'm running 6.5.1R1 right now and cannot upgrade DFM without going to 6.5.2. JKB > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > On Behalf Of Rohan Durrant > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:01 AM > To: Frank Bonnet > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Ontap 6.5 ? > > Hi Frank, > > 6.5.1R1 has now become the GA release 6.5.2 :) Currently there are no > releases of OnTap classed as FCS. If you reallly need 6.5.1R1, click on > 6.5.2 to download, and modify the URL to show the version you require. I > think there is somewhere on the Now site to enter a specific version of > OnTap to download as well. > > Cheers > > On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 18:26, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version > > and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page > > is there a new page for it ? > > > > I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers > > > > Thanks > -- > ********************************************************************* > Rohan Durrant Phone: +61 3 992 53210 > Unix Systems Administrator Fax: +61 3 966 21617 > RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia Work: rohan.at.cs.rmit.edu.au > School of Computer Science & Info Tech. Play: noddy.at.toytown.org > SAGE-AU National Exec http://www.sage-au.org.au > ********************************************************************* > ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Simon Ferrett 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

All the drives on the shelf disappeared from the system when it "wedged" so they were marked failed (or just missing). When I initially made the volumes, I organized raid groups such that there's only one drive from any given raid group on a shelf. So with 12 disks in a shelf and 7 shelves in the system (for example, on the R100) I have my raidgroup size set to 7 and make sure that when the volumes were created or expanded that the disks were added in groups of 7 by name, one from each shelf. I organized it that way exactly for this failure case - losing a whole shelf. When the drives disappeard there weren't enough spares to rebuild (until we powercycled the shelf) so most of the raid groups were running one disk short, but they didn't go offline since they only had one missing disk. Because the volumes didn't go offline, the disks couldn't be reassimilated into the system after the reboot because they were now out of date, so they all became spares. So basically the system has to rebuild one drive from each of the 12 raid groups on the system - two at a time. The netapp folks chalked it up to a bug and I updated them to 6.5.2. Luckily the systems are internally used so the downtime wasn't a huge deal. Not something I want to recur on a regular basis, and with data on the volumes it was a bit of a heart-stopper when it started happening. Lukcy for me I suppose there was no data lost. Simon. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Christian [mailto:mchristi@yahoo-inc.com] Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool How did a shelf hang result in 10 failed drives? And how did you avoid a double disk failure with that many failures? --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Michael Christian 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

How did a shelf hang result in 10 failed drives? And how did you avoid a double disk failure with that many failures? We had a flakey ESH eliminate the secondary path to about 5 drives awhile ago, but Netapp said there was a way to fix it (involving downtime). We were lucky, 4 of them were on new vols, so we just destroyed the vols and reseated the drives, no downtime or rebuilds required. But if they were real volumes, I might have taken the reboot over the reconstruct... -MikeC -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Hill, Aaron Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:24 PM To: 'Simon Ferrett'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Simon, I don't know if you can directly increase the no. of simultaneous reconstructs. However, you may be able to improve the speed marginally by using the raid.reconstruct.perf_impact option and setting to high. However, if your cpu's are already maxxed it probably won't make a lick of difference. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Simon Ferrett [mailto:simon@musicmatch.com] Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 11:04 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hey Folks, I'm new to the list - "hello" - and have been a netapp user since about 1999. Anyhow just a comment/suggestion on the toasterview stuff, which looks quite interesting, btw: One thing which could be good to show is the % complete for the reconstruction progress. Currently I'm looking after an 840c, 940c, 840, 880, R100, R150-24 and a R200. I had a shelf hang on the R100 and R150 this week resulting in about 10 failed drives, so the reconstruction is taking forever - hence my interest in keeping an eye on the reconstruction progress. It seems like the systems can only do two reconstructs at a time, so I've had raid groups waiting for a drive reconstruction for about 24 hours so far... If you know of a way to increase the number of parrallel reconstructions I'd be interested to hear it. Cheers, and it's good to have finally found a group of other netapp users. Simon. -----Original Message----- From: McCarthy, Tim [mailto:timothy.mccarthy@netapp.com] Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hey, you have a failed disk. Better call NGS ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rockwood [mailto:BRockwood@homestead-inc.com] Subject: New Simplified Monitoring Tool I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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Ontap 6.5 ?
by Frank Bonnet 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hi I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page is there a new page for it ? I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers Thanks -- Cordialement, Frank Bonnet

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Hill, Aaron 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Simon, I don't know if you can directly increase the no. of simultaneous reconstructs. However, you may be able to improve the speed marginally by using the raid.reconstruct.perf_impact option and setting to high. However, if your cpu's are already maxxed it probably won't make a lick of difference. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Simon Ferrett [mailto:simon@musicmatch.com] Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 11:04 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hey Folks, I'm new to the list - "hello" - and have been a netapp user since about 1999. Anyhow just a comment/suggestion on the toasterview stuff, which looks quite interesting, btw: One thing which could be good to show is the % complete for the reconstruction progress. Currently I'm looking after an 840c, 940c, 840, 880, R100, R150-24 and a R200. I had a shelf hang on the R100 and R150 this week resulting in about 10 failed drives, so the reconstruction is taking forever - hence my interest in keeping an eye on the reconstruction progress. It seems like the systems can only do two reconstructs at a time, so I've had raid groups waiting for a drive reconstruction for about 24 hours so far... If you know of a way to increase the number of parrallel reconstructions I'd be interested to hear it. Cheers, and it's good to have finally found a group of other netapp users. Simon. -----Original Message----- From: McCarthy, Tim [mailto:timothy.mccarthy@netapp.com] Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hey, you have a failed disk. Better call NGS ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rockwood [mailto:BRockwood@homestead-inc.com] Subject: New Simplified Monitoring Tool I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Derek Lai 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Ben, Looks good. What is RRD graph? Have you thought of making this to show sysstat output or even statit output so we can get instanteous feel for the system performance down to volume level? Derek -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rockwood [mailto:BRockwood@homestead-inc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:57 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hello Toasters. Some may have noticed my search for a simplified monitoring tool awhile back. Alas, I never found such a tool. So I finally broke down and just wrote my own. So far I've only got about 2 hours worth of developement into it, but it's mostly what I want already. I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. It's called "Toasterview" (I wanted to call it ToasterVision, but that seemed to silly) and you can see an example output page here: http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/europa.html Some notes about this sample page. Firstly, the Head image you see at top does, you'll notice, match the model of the filer so you can "see" what the head looks like reguarless of which model it is; right now F7x0, F8x0, F940 and F9x60 are handled. The logo image in the top right is, of course, intended to be changed to your company logo so that your boss is impressed. The global status box changes from green to red based on status. But, the most interesting and important part for me is the DF output. Using the DF SNMP table I can parse it up and display how I like, so I display volumes in nice round numbers (using 1024 insteal of 1000) for easy reading and a little bar graph that lets you see volume usage in an instant. Also, the last line of the DF table is a "Total" line. This simply adds up the data from all the non-snapshot volumes and displays this information like anything else. It's kinda nifty to be able to take 1 look and confidently say "We're using X% of! the filers capacity" rather than just approximating off the top of your head. Anyway, this is the kind of tool I want. I need to clean up the source so it's pretty and then I'll GPL it. Anyone interested or what to make suggestions? I should note that I'm actually supplimenting this page you see with extra data at the bottom as supplied by RRD graphs and such... however that stuff is all system specific whereas my current script as demostrated works on any NetApp Filer (I guess NetCache too). The colors and stuff need tweeking, but you get the general idea. benr.

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by McCarthy, Tim 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hey, you have a failed disk. Better call NGS ;) --tmac ====================== Tim McCarthy Systems Engineer NetApp Federal Systems, Inc. 410-551-3970 (o) 443-363-0208 (f) tmac(a)netapp.com tmac-pager(a)netapp.com ====================== -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rockwood [mailto:BRockwood@homestead-inc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:57 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hello Toasters. Some may have noticed my search for a simplified monitoring tool awhile back. Alas, I never found such a tool. So I finally broke down and just wrote my own. So far I've only got about 2 hours worth of developement into it, but it's mostly what I want already. I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. It's called "Toasterview" (I wanted to call it ToasterVision, but that seemed to silly) and you can see an example output page here: http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/europa.html Some notes about this sample page. Firstly, the Head image you see at top does, you'll notice, match the model of the filer so you can "see" what the head looks like reguarless of which model it is; right now F7x0, F8x0, F940 and F9x60 are handled. The logo image in the top right is, of course, intended to be changed to your company logo so that your boss is impressed. The global status box changes from green to red based on status. But, the most interesting and important part for me is the DF output. Using the DF SNMP table I can parse it up and display how I like, so I display volumes in nice round numbers (using 1024 insteal of 1000) for easy reading and a little bar graph that lets you see volume usage in an instant. Also, the last line of the DF table is a "Total" line. This simply adds up the data from all the non-snapshot volumes and displays this information like anything else. It's kinda nifty to be able to take 1 look and confidently say "We're using X% of! the filers capacity" rather than just approximating off the top of your head. Anyway, this is the kind of tool I want. I need to clean up the source so it's pretty and then I'll GPL it. Anyone interested or what to make suggestions? I should note that I'm actually supplimenting this page you see with extra data at the bottom as supplied by RRD graphs and such... however that stuff is all system specific whereas my current script as demostrated works on any NetApp Filer (I guess NetCache too). The colors and stuff need tweeking, but you get the general idea. benr.

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RE: Ontap 6.5 ?
by Hill, Aaron 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

I think 6.5.2P6 is the latest. If you can, go straight to it. We have had many, many problems with 6.5. -----Original Message----- From: Rohan Durrant [mailto:rohan@cs.rmit.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 10:01 PM To: Frank Bonnet Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Ontap 6.5 ? Hi Frank, 6.5.1R1 has now become the GA release 6.5.2 :) Currently there are no releases of OnTap classed as FCS. If you reallly need 6.5.1R1, click on 6.5.2 to download, and modify the URL to show the version you require. I think there is somewhere on the Now site to enter a specific version of OnTap to download as well. Cheers On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 18:26, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hi > > I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version > and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page > is there a new page for it ? > > I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers > > Thanks -- ********************************************************************* Rohan Durrant Phone: +61 3 992 53210 Unix Systems Administrator Fax: +61 3 966 21617 RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia Work: rohan.at.cs.rmit.edu.au School of Computer Science & Info Tech. Play: noddy.at.toytown.org SAGE-AU National Exec http://www.sage-au.org.au ********************************************************************* ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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Filer Head Images
by Ben Rockwood 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Greetings Toasters. I've finally given up on searching and started writting the simplified monitoring app that I'd like. I thought a nifty feature would be to include an image of the head itself (stock photo of course) to spiff things up a bit. Does anyone know where I can find stock photos of the older filers? (740, 760, 840, etc) NetApp provides images of current filers http://www.netapp.com/news/pressroom/products/ but not the older ones. Thanx. benr.

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