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Spare Disks
by Philbert Rupkins 30 May '18

30 May '18

Toasters, Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them. Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor? I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp. 3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party. Thank you. Phil

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administrivia: GDPR
by Tom Yates 29 May '18

29 May '18

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Fwd: Spare Disks
by Sebastian P. Goetze 22 May '18

22 May '18

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Scott Miller <scott.miller(a)dreamworks.com> Date: Tue, May 22, 2018, 06:49 Subject: Re: Spare Disks To: Sebastian P. Goetze <spgoetze(a)gmail.com> What size and form factor are you looking for? We’re doing s round of retirement and may have some. Also: try the guys at ZeroWait They deal in used and off-lease kit, And have a huge inventory. -skottie (via my thumbs) On May 21, 2018, at 9:40 PM, Sebastian P. Goetze <spgoetze(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Phil, hi Alex, Our Admin bought some pallets of old DS14 shelfs some time ago off of eBay for our labs. Like 80%+ of the disks we were able to use, but for some we had to go to maintenance mode and delete labels and stuff to do that... It was about 100€ for a shelf, if I remember correctly, so we didn't mind the 20% that were dead/unusable... A zeroed, unassigned disk should automatically be reformatted with the correct WAFL version, by the way. Up or down. So no worries there with disks from newer ONTAP versions... Sebastian NCI On Tue, May 22, 2018, 06:10 Alexander Griesser <AGriesser(a)anexia-it.com> wrote: > Hi Philbert, > > not sure where you're located but since you didn't mention it, I guess > you're based in the US. > I do not have any recommendations for third-party suppliers in the US, but > I've used some within Europe already for outdated filers of our customers > already and never had real issues with those refurbished or used hard > drives. > > JFTR, here are some suggestions for suppliers based in Germany: > https://www.servershop24.de/ > https://www.miller-anlagen.de/shop > https://www.fibrestore.de/ > > You might experience bad labels on the disks as well as firmware issues > which might need to be sorted out then; sometimes the disks are not zeroed > so when plugging them in, you will see some left over aggregates from the > previous filer they did belong to or the owner ids are still set; you can > work around every single issue that might come up here, as long as your > Ontap version is not too old on the outdated filers. > > Best, > > Alexander Griesser > Head of Systems Operations > > ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH > > E-Mail: AGriesser(a)anexia-it.com > Web: http://www.anexia-it.com > > Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Klagenfurt:+Feldkirchnerstra%C3%9Fe+140,+9020+Kl…> > Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler > Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT > U63216601 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: toasters-bounces(a)teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] > Im Auftrag von Philbert Rupkins > Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 05:58 > An: Toasters <toasters(a)teaparty.net> > Betreff: Spare Disks > > Toasters, > > Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, > due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new > ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase > several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety > measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer > sells them. > > Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks > from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor? > > I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity > disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID > groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data > safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely > to through NetApp. > > 3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten > outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences > going 3rd party. > > Thank you. > Phil > _______________________________________________ > Toasters mailing list > Toasters(a)teaparty.net > http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters > > _______________________________________________ > Toasters mailing list > Toasters(a)teaparty.net > http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters > -- sent from my mobile, spellcheck might have messed up... _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters(a)teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters -- sent from my mobile, spellcheck might have messed up...

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Restrict VSC to a Subset of SVM's
by Philbert Rupkins 22 May '18

22 May '18

Hello Toasters, Our ontap clusters contain a number of SVM's. For purposes of this post I'll classify our SVM's into two broad categories: * SVM's that host storage resources for our ESXi clusters * SVM's that do NOT host storage resources for our ESXi clusters We initially direct connected VSC to the SVM's hosting VMware resources. As documented by NetApp, this resulted in VSC provisioning volumes (NFS datastores) then mounting them via indirect paths (our SVMs have multiple lifs). We dont want datastores mounted via indirect paths, nor do we want to deal with the other limitations associated with direct connecting VSC to SVM's. Now, AFAIK, the only option we're left with is connecting VSC to the cluster management LIF. The catch is we only want to allow VSC privileges to manage the SVM's hosting VMware resources. VSC should not have privileges to the non-Vmware related SVMs. Is there a way to connect VSC to the cluster management LIF while only allowing VSC the ability to provision storage to and manage a subset of SVM's on the cluster? We're currently running VSC 6.2.1 and ONTAP 9.2P2. -Phil

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Re: moving CIFS shares
by Peter D. Gray 08 May '18

08 May '18

On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 01:33:47AM +0000, Fenn, Michael wrote: > How many total shares do you have? We've had good luck with a 1:1 ratio of volumes to shares since the platform limit is 1000 volumes/node on most recent hardware. With that model, you can shuffle volumes (and thus shares) between aggregates online with vol move, and you get easy access to goodies like QoS. We have about 1300 shares at the moment. More volumes is not manageable IMHO. For example, an altavault restricts snapmirror to 100 volumes. We already have more volumes that that. Regards, pdg

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moving CIFS shares
by Peter D. Gray 08 May '18

08 May '18

Hi people, Background: we have 20 odd volumes for fileshares. We limit the size of the volumes to 10T. When a volume gets near full, we need to shuffle shares to new volumes or volumes with plenty of space. Does anybody have a magical solution for moving fileshares between volumes? With minimal but not necessarily zero downtime? Obvious solutions are: 1) Down share, copy share to new volume, up share 2) Down share, clone volume, up share on new volume, split volume, cleanup mess. I was wondering if anybody has seen a system to proxy the share and move it in the background. I have seen this work with NFS shares but not with CIFS. Any magicians out there? Regards, pdg

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Support WWW site slow?
by Jeffrey Mohler 07 May '18

07 May '18

Anyone else have to wait 1-3 minutes after logging into support.netapp.com staring at a white screen before you can do anything? Asking for a friend. K-thanks.

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Attack of the Zombies
by Ehrenwald, Ian 27 Apr '18

27 Apr '18

Is anyone familiar with messages such as these, and how to diagnose what volume(s) on what aggregate is triggering it? 4/27/2018 11:24:31 node1 NOTICE wafl.zombie.susp.msg.threshold: WAFL(R) is experiencing zombie throttling possibly due to requests for large number of file deletions. This can be mitigated by a combination of a) reducing the load on the system, b) issuing the file deletion requests in smaller batches and c) increasing the limits to allow more zombies to be queued on the system (Please contact technical support). I'm troubleshooting a latency/performance issue and this caught my eye in the event logs. Web searches aren't really coming up with anything useful and there is mention of it in the NetApp KB but no real background information or troubleshooting steps. Also, the (R)egistered Trademark after WAFL in the notice is weird to have in a technical event log. Ian Ehrenwald Senior Infrastructure Engineer Hachette Book Group, Inc. 1.617.263.1948 / ian.ehrenwald(a)hbgusa.com This may contain confidential material. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, delete immediately, and understand that no disclosure or reliance on the information herein is permitted. Hachette Book Group may monitor email to and from our network.

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Windows Host Utilities for Server 2016
by Alexander Griesser 18 Apr '18

18 Apr '18

Hey there, does anyone know when we can expect working Windows host utilities for Server 2016? The current release (7.1) refuses to install due to a broken dependency check on hotfix 2796995. Also DSM MPIO 4.1P1 for windows refuses to install because of a broken dependency check for Powershell 2.0. Thanks, Alexander Griesser Head of Systems Operations ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH E-Mail: AGriesser(a)anexia-it.com<mailto:AGriesser@anexia-it.com> Web: http://www.anexia-it.com<http://www.anexia-it.com/> Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT U63216601

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What's changing and taking up space in snapshots?
by John Adams 08 Apr '18

08 Apr '18

Hello, Is there a way to see the changed/deleted files that are taking space in snapshots? (7 Mode, 8.2 NFS/CIFS access.) Thanks.

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