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27 Jul '06

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by DE MEL HIRANYA 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

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27 Jul '06

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Storage space overheads!
by margesimpson＠hushmail.com 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

Hi all: Can anyone please give me total NetApp overheads including, file systems, aggr reserve, snap reserve, wafl overhead, parity disks (raid_dp), etc, etc. say, 10 x 100GB = 1000GB total. what usable space should i finally get after all those overheads. Can anyone give me proper figures/ math and proper break up of above figure? I heard NetApp solution has lot of disk overheads! Thank you in advance. Marge. Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485

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RE: Storage space overheads!
by George, Andrew 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

Also...if your using aggregates take another 5% off the top for Agg snapshot _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2006 1:52 PM To: Glenn Dekhayser; margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Storage space overheads! 10% overhead for WAFL, FYI. As to what Glenn says, I agree - start with storage space needed, then figure performance. Don't fill the remaining volume beyond 90% if possible (unless it's all archive-type data). As for your question before: If you use RaidDP, you'll lose 2 disks for every raid group (typically 16 disks total, or 14D+2P) The disks are right-sized (to ensure that every manufacturer has disks with the same size, start to end - ie, Hitachi and Seagate drives are NOT the same size in # blocks) You're left with # data disks * disk size, MINUS 10% WAFL overhead. After that, factor in snapshot reserve (20% by default) and space reservations if needed. In the case of 320GB ATA disks, the right size is actually 274400 MB (the 320GB is a raw or unformatted capacity - you can thank the ATA drive manufacturers for that misleading info). A RG of size 16 would net you 3457440MB after 10% overhead. If you don't need snapshots, that's your usable space - if you do need snapshot reserve, just subtract that from the total. Using LUNs (especially with snapdrive) changes the rules because of the 2x overhead it enforces. This is actually changed in with something called fractional reserve (snapdrive supports fractional reserve with SD 4.0 and ONTAP 7.1) The reason for all of the overhead: data protection. Netapp doesn't sell space - they sell insurance. They sell protection from data loss FIRST, then performance\manageability, and lastly space. I would say that NetApp has no more overhead than any other vendor that has snapshot like capabilities (and probably less given that everyone else is a copy-on-write implementation thusfar). Glenn _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:11 PM To: margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Storage space overheads! The most overused sentence: "It depends". When I design Netapp solutions, I work backwards from how much usable storage I'm going to need for the next 12-18 months. Then I also determine what kind of aggregate IOPS I'm going to need from my disks. From that, it's a fairly simple calculation. OK, so it's not; I have a complicated excel spreadsheet that I worked on for about a month before I was confident the answers were close enough to use in designs; but before you start putting everything together capacity wise you should have a good idea of how many disks you're going to need to satisfy your performance requirements. There's the obvious parity or dual-parity overhead, and the hot spare (or multiple hot spares, depending on how many disks you've got in the system). There's the snapshot reserve for NAS volumes (20% by default, you may need more or less)- but that reserve depends highly upon the amount of changes and deletes you have in a given volume. If you are using LUNs with snapshots, you need to multiple the size of the LUNs by 2.2 (2x for the overwrite reserve and another 20% for the internal data change rates inside a given lun, again change for your own environment). There's the WAFL RAID overhead; I've never gotten a real good feel for that but let's call it 5%- (anyone care to amend that?) Now also keep in mind that WAFL volumes don't really like to be more than 90% full because of the way they lay down data; I like to keep mine at 80% or lower. That's about all the overheads I can think of. Sound like a lot? Any vendor with snapshot technology is going to have the same issue of reserving loads of space for it, and they will use raid-5, which requires a net loss of one disk every 5-8 disks (and be slow under write load). Netapp goes 14 disks per parity (in either raid4 or dp). And everyone with a hardware raid has some raid overhead. Unless you're using raid 10, but then you're buying twice the disk, aren't you? Bottom line is that Netapp does require you to invest some of your disk in data and physical availability. It's well worth it, and it's comparable to every other enterprise system out there. If all you need is dumb disk with no overhead and no avanced features, there are plenty of RAID-0 solutions out there that will FC connect. Glenn (the other one) _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Sent: Wed 7/26/2006 9:38 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Storage space overheads! Hi all: Can anyone please give me total NetApp overheads including, file systems, aggr reserve, snap reserve, wafl overhead, parity disks (raid_dp), etc, etc. say, 10 x 100GB = 1000GB total. what usable space should i finally get after all those overheads. Can anyone give me proper figures/ math and proper break up of above figure? I heard NetApp solution has lot of disk overheads! Thank you in advance. Marge. Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485

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RE: Storage space overheads!
by Glenn Walker 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

10% overhead for WAFL, FYI. As to what Glenn says, I agree - start with storage space needed, then figure performance. Don't fill the remaining volume beyond 90% if possible (unless it's all archive-type data). As for your question before: If you use RaidDP, you'll lose 2 disks for every raid group (typically 16 disks total, or 14D+2P) The disks are right-sized (to ensure that every manufacturer has disks with the same size, start to end - ie, Hitachi and Seagate drives are NOT the same size in # blocks) You're left with # data disks * disk size, MINUS 10% WAFL overhead. After that, factor in snapshot reserve (20% by default) and space reservations if needed. In the case of 320GB ATA disks, the right size is actually 274400 MB (the 320GB is a raw or unformatted capacity - you can thank the ATA drive manufacturers for that misleading info). A RG of size 16 would net you 3457440MB after 10% overhead. If you don't need snapshots, that's your usable space - if you do need snapshot reserve, just subtract that from the total. Using LUNs (especially with snapdrive) changes the rules because of the 2x overhead it enforces. This is actually changed in with something called fractional reserve (snapdrive supports fractional reserve with SD 4.0 and ONTAP 7.1) The reason for all of the overhead: data protection. Netapp doesn't sell space - they sell insurance. They sell protection from data loss FIRST, then performance\manageability, and lastly space. I would say that NetApp has no more overhead than any other vendor that has snapshot like capabilities (and probably less given that everyone else is a copy-on-write implementation thusfar). Glenn ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:11 PM To: margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Storage space overheads! The most overused sentence: "It depends". When I design Netapp solutions, I work backwards from how much usable storage I'm going to need for the next 12-18 months. Then I also determine what kind of aggregate IOPS I'm going to need from my disks. From that, it's a fairly simple calculation. OK, so it's not; I have a complicated excel spreadsheet that I worked on for about a month before I was confident the answers were close enough to use in designs; but before you start putting everything together capacity wise you should have a good idea of how many disks you're going to need to satisfy your performance requirements. There's the obvious parity or dual-parity overhead, and the hot spare (or multiple hot spares, depending on how many disks you've got in the system). There's the snapshot reserve for NAS volumes (20% by default, you may need more or less)- but that reserve depends highly upon the amount of changes and deletes you have in a given volume. If you are using LUNs with snapshots, you need to multiple the size of the LUNs by 2.2 (2x for the overwrite reserve and another 20% for the internal data change rates inside a given lun, again change for your own environment). There's the WAFL RAID overhead; I've never gotten a real good feel for that but let's call it 5%- (anyone care to amend that?) Now also keep in mind that WAFL volumes don't really like to be more than 90% full because of the way they lay down data; I like to keep mine at 80% or lower. That's about all the overheads I can think of. Sound like a lot? Any vendor with snapshot technology is going to have the same issue of reserving loads of space for it, and they will use raid-5, which requires a net loss of one disk every 5-8 disks (and be slow under write load). Netapp goes 14 disks per parity (in either raid4 or dp). And everyone with a hardware raid has some raid overhead. Unless you're using raid 10, but then you're buying twice the disk, aren't you? Bottom line is that Netapp does require you to invest some of your disk in data and physical availability. It's well worth it, and it's comparable to every other enterprise system out there. If all you need is dumb disk with no overhead and no avanced features, there are plenty of RAID-0 solutions out there that will FC connect. Glenn (the other one) ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Sent: Wed 7/26/2006 9:38 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Storage space overheads! Hi all: Can anyone please give me total NetApp overheads including, file systems, aggr reserve, snap reserve, wafl overhead, parity disks (raid_dp), etc, etc. say, 10 x 100GB = 1000GB total. what usable space should i finally get after all those overheads. Can anyone give me proper figures/ math and proper break up of above figure? I heard NetApp solution has lot of disk overheads! Thank you in advance. Marge. Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485

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ROUTING NOTIFICATION
by alan reeves 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

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Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
by Internet Mail Delivery 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Message-id: <4rsu26$nn7191(a)ip01.eastlink.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:29:36 -0300 From: toasters(a)mathworks.com To: comment-dnso(a)icann.org Subject: [WARNING: VIRUS REMOVED]Returned mail: Data format error Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: comment-dnso(a)icann.org Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address Diagnostic code: smtp;550 5.1.1 <comment-dnso(a)icann.org>... User unknown Remote system: dns;pechora.icann.org (TCP|10.10.10.81|12475|192.0.34.39|25) UmVwb3J0aW5nLU1UQTogZG5zO210YTAxLmVhc3RsaW5rLmNhICh0Y3AtZGFlbW9u KQoKT3JpZ2luYWwtcmVjaXBpZW50OiByZmM4MjI7Y29tbWVudC1kbnNvQGljYW5u Lm9yZwpGaW5hbC1yZWNpcGllbnQ6IHJmYzgyMjtjb21tZW50LWRuc29AaWNhbm4u b3JnCkFjdGlvbjogZmFpbGVkClN0YXR1czogNS4xLjEgKFJlbW90ZSBTTVRQIHNl cnZlciBoYXMgcmVqZWN0ZWQgYWRkcmVzcykKUmVtb3RlLU1UQTogZG5zO3BlY2hv cmEuaWNhbm4ub3JnIChUQ1B8MTAuMTAuMTAuODF8MTI0NzV8MTkyLjAuMzQuMzl8 MjUpCkRpYWdub3N0aWMtY29kZTogc210cDs1NTAgNS4xLjEgPGNvbW1lbnQtZG5z b0BpY2Fubi5vcmc+Li4uIFVzZXIgdW5rbm93bgoK

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FROM COSMICHAMBERS
by cosmichambers＠corral.org 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

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CHARITY PROJECT
by Rosemary King 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

Hello Friend, My name is Mrs.Rosemary Clarke King I am a dying woman who has decided to donate what I have to charity through you.You may be wondering why I chose you. But someone has to be chosen. I am 59 years old and was diagnosed for cancer about 2 years ago,immediately after the death of my husband who had left me everything he worked for.I have been touched by the lord to donate from what I have inherited from my late husband to charity through you for the good work of humanity, rather than allow my relatives to use my husband's hard earned funds inappropriately. I have asked the lord to forgive me all my sins and I believe he has,because He is merciful. I will be going in for an operation,and I pray that I survive the operation.I have decided to WILL/Donate the sum of $5.5 Million (Five Million five Hundred thousand Dollars) to charity through you for the good work of the lord, and to help the motherless,less privileged and also for the assistance of the widows. At the moment I cannot take any telephone calls, due to the fact that my relatives are around me and I have been restricted by my doctor from taking telephone calls because I deserve all the rest I can get. Presently,I have informed my lawyer about my decision in WILLING this fund to charity through you. I wish you all the best and may the good Lord bless you abundantly, and please use the funds well and always extend the good work to others.If you are interested in carrying out this task,i will inform my Family Lawyer so that he can arrange the release of the funds to you. I know i have never met you but my mind tells me to do this,and I hope you act sincerely.I will pay you 30% of this money if you will assist me because I am now too weak and frigile to do things myself because of my cancer. NB: I will appreciate your utmost confidentiality in this matter until the task is accomplished,as I don't want anything that will Jeopardize my last wish, due to the fact that I do not want relatives or family members standing in the way of my last wish.You can also reply me on my email. Your sincerely, Rosemary C. King

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