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RE: Storage space overheads!
by Glenn Walker 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

10% overhead for WAFL, FYI. As to what Glenn says, I agree - start with storage space needed, then figure performance. Don't fill the remaining volume beyond 90% if possible (unless it's all archive-type data). As for your question before: If you use RaidDP, you'll lose 2 disks for every raid group (typically 16 disks total, or 14D+2P) The disks are right-sized (to ensure that every manufacturer has disks with the same size, start to end - ie, Hitachi and Seagate drives are NOT the same size in # blocks) You're left with # data disks * disk size, MINUS 10% WAFL overhead. After that, factor in snapshot reserve (20% by default) and space reservations if needed. In the case of 320GB ATA disks, the right size is actually 274400 MB (the 320GB is a raw or unformatted capacity - you can thank the ATA drive manufacturers for that misleading info). A RG of size 16 would net you 3457440MB after 10% overhead. If you don't need snapshots, that's your usable space - if you do need snapshot reserve, just subtract that from the total. Using LUNs (especially with snapdrive) changes the rules because of the 2x overhead it enforces. This is actually changed in with something called fractional reserve (snapdrive supports fractional reserve with SD 4.0 and ONTAP 7.1) The reason for all of the overhead: data protection. Netapp doesn't sell space - they sell insurance. They sell protection from data loss FIRST, then performance\manageability, and lastly space. I would say that NetApp has no more overhead than any other vendor that has snapshot like capabilities (and probably less given that everyone else is a copy-on-write implementation thusfar). Glenn ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:11 PM To: margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Storage space overheads! The most overused sentence: "It depends". When I design Netapp solutions, I work backwards from how much usable storage I'm going to need for the next 12-18 months. Then I also determine what kind of aggregate IOPS I'm going to need from my disks. From that, it's a fairly simple calculation. OK, so it's not; I have a complicated excel spreadsheet that I worked on for about a month before I was confident the answers were close enough to use in designs; but before you start putting everything together capacity wise you should have a good idea of how many disks you're going to need to satisfy your performance requirements. There's the obvious parity or dual-parity overhead, and the hot spare (or multiple hot spares, depending on how many disks you've got in the system). There's the snapshot reserve for NAS volumes (20% by default, you may need more or less)- but that reserve depends highly upon the amount of changes and deletes you have in a given volume. If you are using LUNs with snapshots, you need to multiple the size of the LUNs by 2.2 (2x for the overwrite reserve and another 20% for the internal data change rates inside a given lun, again change for your own environment). There's the WAFL RAID overhead; I've never gotten a real good feel for that but let's call it 5%- (anyone care to amend that?) Now also keep in mind that WAFL volumes don't really like to be more than 90% full because of the way they lay down data; I like to keep mine at 80% or lower. That's about all the overheads I can think of. Sound like a lot? Any vendor with snapshot technology is going to have the same issue of reserving loads of space for it, and they will use raid-5, which requires a net loss of one disk every 5-8 disks (and be slow under write load). Netapp goes 14 disks per parity (in either raid4 or dp). And everyone with a hardware raid has some raid overhead. Unless you're using raid 10, but then you're buying twice the disk, aren't you? Bottom line is that Netapp does require you to invest some of your disk in data and physical availability. It's well worth it, and it's comparable to every other enterprise system out there. If all you need is dumb disk with no overhead and no avanced features, there are plenty of RAID-0 solutions out there that will FC connect. Glenn (the other one) ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of margesimpson(a)hushmail.com Sent: Wed 7/26/2006 9:38 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Storage space overheads! Hi all: Can anyone please give me total NetApp overheads including, file systems, aggr reserve, snap reserve, wafl overhead, parity disks (raid_dp), etc, etc. say, 10 x 100GB = 1000GB total. what usable space should i finally get after all those overheads. Can anyone give me proper figures/ math and proper break up of above figure? I heard NetApp solution has lot of disk overheads! Thank you in advance. Marge. Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485

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26 Jul '06

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26 Jul '06

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Problems with snapdrive after upgrading Ontap
by Willeke, Jochen 26 Jul '06

26 Jul '06

Hi Toasters, after we had a change in our infrastructure we used the downtime for updating our ontap on two filers which were still running with Ontap 6.5.4 (we updatet to 7.0.4P9). After the change we had a strange problem, that snapdrive on a few systems was no longer able see some disks (Luns on the filer we changed the Ontap on). In the Application Log we had strange error Messages saying: Failed to get Data Ontap version running on the filer "nafiler". or The IP Adress "192.168.1.45" specified as preffered, is dead. or Filer does not have a live IP address. Filer ID "192.168.1.45 + 10.192.168.45". Filer Host Name ". The cause of all these problems was that the service account which was used for snapdrive was exactly 20 letters long. As i learned with Snapdrive later than 3.1 it is a problem to have serviceaccountnames for SD with 20 or more letters. As we used this accountname for about 1 year i wonder if this is not true for Ontap 6.5.4 or if we only were lucky to had it work with this accountname. Anyway, i just wanted to inform you about this issue. Perhaps anybody runs into the same problem and wonders about the strange error message :-) Regards from a finaly happy Jochen

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