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Upgrade thoughts: 8.3 -> 9.1 -> 9.3
by John Stoffel 09 Mar '20

09 Mar '20

Guys, We're getting ready to ugprade our 4 node 8060 cluster from 8.3.2P9 to 9.1P19 and then onto 9.3P17, all this weekend. My only real concern is the upgrade from 9.1 to 9.3, which lists a major warning for bug 1250500: Expired truststore security certificates causing upgrade and new installation failures. Unfortunately, I can't run an upgrade advisor report for my cluster going from 9.1P19 to 9.3P17, because I'm not yet running 9.1, and it can take upto a week for the autosupport data to get pushed to Upgrade Advisor. Sigh... Has anyone run into this issue when doing the 9.1 -> 9.3 upgrade with the expired certificate? Otherwise, it all looks good, my cluster switches are supported at their current version, etc. John

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Can you change the SID of a local NetApp account
by Jeff Cleverley 17 Jan '20

17 Jan '20

My apologies. The subject did not get set on this thread. Jeff On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:54 AM Jeff Cleverley via Toasters < toasters(a)teaparty.net> wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jeff Cleverley <jeff.cleverley(a)broadcom.com> > To: "<Toasters(a)teaparty.net>" <Toasters(a)teaparty.net> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:52:28 -0700 > Subject: Can you change the SID of a local NetApp account? > Greetings, > > We have a 9.3 environment, including Metro Cluster if it matter, and there > are 6 SVMs in the environment. > > If we create a local account named toolmap on SVM1 and SVM2, they will > have a unique ID on each SVM. We would like to make the SID for the > toolmap account the same on all the SVMs. Is there a way to change that > after they have been created? > > The purpose of this is to prevent having to walk all the file systems and > change user access if we had to move a file system to a different SVM. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > -- > ** Please note my email address has changed to jeff.cleverley(a)broadcom.com > > Jeff Cleverley > Factory Systems Engineer > 4380 Ziegler Road > Building 1, Dock 1 > Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 > 970-288-4611 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jeff Cleverley via Toasters <toasters(a)teaparty.net> > To: "<Toasters(a)teaparty.net>" <Toasters(a)teaparty.net> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:52:46 GMT > Subject: > _______________________________________________ > Toasters mailing list > Toasters(a)teaparty.net > http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters > -- ** Please note my email address has changed to jeff.cleverley(a)broadcom.com Jeff Cleverley Factory Systems Engineer 4380 Ziegler Road Building 1, Dock 1 Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611

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Can you change the SID of a local NetApp account?
by Jeff Cleverley 17 Jan '20

17 Jan '20

Greetings, We have a 9.3 environment, including Metro Cluster if it matter, and there are 6 SVMs in the environment. If we create a local account named toolmap on SVM1 and SVM2, they will have a unique ID on each SVM. We would like to make the SID for the toolmap account the same on all the SVMs. Is there a way to change that after they have been created? The purpose of this is to prevent having to walk all the file systems and change user access if we had to move a file system to a different SVM. Thanks, Jeff -- ** Please note my email address has changed to jeff.cleverley(a)broadcom.com Jeff Cleverley Factory Systems Engineer 4380 Ziegler Road Building 1, Dock 1 Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611

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Re:
by Stephen Stocke 30 Dec '19

30 Dec '19

My understanding is that NAE is only available on AFF platforms. As I understand it, the purpose of NAE is to support NVE in combination with aggregate de-dupe by sharing the same encryption key for all (or select) volumes on an aggregate. Maybe I've got that wrong or things have moved on but assuming FAS systems still don't have aggregate-level de-dupe functionality... what would be the benefit of NAE over NVE? When we implemented NVE it was part of an upgrade to FAS 8200 controllers (CDOT 9.1 at the time). We bought the new controllers with some disks and scaled-out the cluster so it was simply a case of vol-moving the data to the 8200 aggregates with the -encrypt flag set. Once that was done we moved the evacuated stacks over to the 8200s and vol-moved again to balance the storage and IOPS. On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 at 13:18, Scott Eno via Toasters <toasters(a)teaparty.net> wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Scott Eno <s.eno(a)me.com> > To: Chris Hague <Chris_Hague(a)ajg.com> > Cc: Tim McCarthy <tmacmd(a)gmail.com>, "toasters(a)teaparty.net Lists" < > toasters(a)teaparty.net> > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:15:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: NVE \ NAE > I was working with a pre-production AFF220 which admittedly didn’t have > but a few VMware VMFS datastores on it. But those volumes were all > encrypted easily within the same day. > > -- > Scott Eno > Sr. Storage Engineer > seno(a)cooley.com > > On Dec 23, 2019, at 4:04 AM, Chris Hague <Chris_Hague(a)ajg.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks Scott, > > > > How long did the NVE process take? > > > > I am trying to estimate time to complete this. > > So far, testing is showing our NL-SAS vols taking 10 weeks to encrypt 5TB. > > > > The above is on a FAS8040.. I’m also going to perform some testing on an > AFF > > > > Many Thanks. > > > > > > *From:* Scott Eno <s.eno(a)me.com> > *Sent:* 20 December 2019 23:21 > *To:* Chris Hague <Chris_Hague(a)ajg.com> > *Cc:* Tim McCarthy <tmacmd(a)gmail.com>; toasters(a)teaparty.net Lists < > toasters(a)teaparty.net> > *Subject:* Re: NVE \ NAE > > > > *[EXTERNAL]* > > > > I just did this a couple days ago. I had to encrypt the volumes before I > could encrypt the aggr they were on. Otherwise would have had to evacuate > the aggr first. > > -- > > Scott Eno > > > > On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Chris Hague <Chris_Hague(a)ajg.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for reply. > > > > From the doc center we were under the impression that an existing > aggregate can be converted, doesn’t mention being empty; > > > > > https://docs.netapp.com/ontap-9/topic/com.netapp.doc.pow-nve/GUID-812BE553-… > > > > Convert a non-NAE aggregate to an NAE aggregate > > storage aggregate modify -aggregate aggregate_name -node *node_name* > -encrypt-with-aggr-key true > > > > > > > > *From:* Tim McCarthy <tmacmd(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* 20 December 2019 14:37 > *To:* Chris Hague <Chris_Hague(a)ajg.com>; toasters(a)teaparty.net Lists < > toasters(a)teaparty.net> > *Subject:* Re: NVE \ NAE > > > > *[EXTERNAL]* > > > > Your answers are > > Depends (and can feel like forever) for NVE > > instantly for aggregate > > > > The aggregate must be empty to start aggregate encryption > > > > --tmac (Typos courtesy of GBoard!) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* toasters-bounces(a)teaparty.net on behalf of Chris Hague < > chris_hague(a)ajg.com> > *Sent:* Friday, December 20, 2019 9:26 AM > *To:* toasters(a)teaparty.net Lists > *Subject:* NVE \ NAE > > > > Does anyone have a guideline as to the time it takes to apply NVE to an > existing volume? 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NVE \ NAE
by Chris Hague 23 Dec '19

23 Dec '19

Does anyone have a guideline as to the time it takes to apply NVE to an existing volume? Or aggregate? This email is being sent by a subsidiary of Arthur J. Gallagher Holdings (UK) Limited, part of the Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. global group of companies. For details of the registered office, company number and, where applicable, regulated status of our subsidiaries, please visit https://www.ajginternational.com/legal-regulatory-information/. We are the data controller of any personal information you provide to us or personal information that has been provided to us by a third party. We collect and process information about you in order to arrange insurance policies and to process claims. Your information is also used for business purposes such as fraud prevention and detection and financial management. This may involve sharing your information with third parties such as insurers, reinsurers, other brokers, claims handlers, loss adjusters, credit reference agencies, service providers, professional advisors, our regulators, police and government agencies or fraud prevention agencies. We may record telephone calls to help us monitor and improve the service we provide. For further information on how your information is used and your rights in relation to your information please see our privacy notice at https://www.ajginternational.com/Privacy-Policy/. If you are providing personal data of another individual to us, you must tell them you are providing their information to us and show them a copy of this notice. Where you are obtaining a non-consumer policy of (re)insurance, or cover for additional risks or renewal under an existing policy, you are required to make a fair presentation of the risk to a (re)insurer which discloses every material circumstance which you know or ought to know relating to the risk to be insured. A circumstance is material if it would influence the judgment of a prudent insurer in determining whether to provide insurance for the risk and, if so, on what terms. Disclosure must be reasonably clear and accessible to a prudent insurer and made in good faith. The aforementioned duty of disclosure is the applicable duty under the laws of England and Wales. If your policy is not subject to English law you are expected to disclose risk information in accordance with the requirements of the applicable law. In such circumstances we expect you will disclose risk information at least equal to the standard required under English law and where the applicable law requires you to disclose information over and above the level required under English law you will provide such information in accordance with that law. Where you are obtaining a consumer policy of insurance, you must read each question and answer honestly and fully and must take reasonable care to not make a misrepresentation. Failure to comply with the above disclosure requirements, as they apply to you, could mean that your policy of (re)insurance is void, its terms are materially altered or that (re)insurers are not liable to pay all or part of your claim(s). If you are in any doubt as to your obligations you should ask your usual contact. This e-mail and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please telephone or e-mail us immediately, delete this message from your system and do not read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use this e-mail message and any attachments. Although the above company has taken reasonable precautions to ensure this e-mail and any attachments are free of any virus or other defect that may affect your computer, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and the above company does not accept any responsibility for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use.

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Re:
by Scott Eno 23 Dec '19

23 Dec '19

This looks like the old 7-mode bug where you need to re-initialize all your A-SIS jobs to create a new fingerprint db. -- Scott Eno Sr. Storage Engineer seno(a)cooley.com > On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Iluhes via Toasters <toasters(a)teaparty.net> wrote: > > > Can someone please help me figure out what is happening with the space It is showing aggr at 94% with 33TB used on 35T aggrigate, but my volumes hardly add up to 20TB I dont understand where the space is at. I am lost, is 13TB Is it counting the A-SIS space? aggr show_space -h Aggregate 'aggr0' Total space WAFL reserve Snap reserve Usable space BSR NVLOG A-SIS Smtape 39TB 4046GB 0KB 35TB 0KB 13TB 0KB Space allocated to volumes in the aggregate Volume Allocated Used Guarantee vol0 469GB 16GB volume app3_root 251GB 2837MB volume app3_vol1 3040GB 2405GB volume vol1 15TB 15TB none app3_vol2 522GB 395GB volume Aggregate Allocated Used Avail Total space 19TB 18TB 2244GB Snap reserve 0KB 0KB 0KB WAFL reserve 4046GB 430GB 3615GB > df -hA Aggregate total used avail capacity aggr0 35TB 33TB 2248GB 94% aggr0/.snapshot 0TB 0TB 0TB ---% > _______________________________________________ > Toasters mailing list > Toasters(a)teaparty.net > http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters

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mystery with aggr space: what is using the space
by Iluhes 22 Dec '19

22 Dec '19

Can someone please help me figure out what is happening with the spaceIt is showing aggr at 94% with 33TB used on 35T aggrigate, but my volumes hardly add up to 20TBI dont understand where the space is at. I am lost, is 13TBIs it counting the A-SIS space? aggr show_space -hAggregate 'aggr0' Total space WAFL reserve Snap reserve Usable space BSR NVLOG A-SIS Smtape 39TB 4046GB 0KB 35TB 0KB 13TB 0KB Space allocated to volumes in the aggregate Volume Allocated Used Guaranteevol0 469GB 16GB volumeapp3_root 251GB 2837MB volumeapp3_vol1 3040GB 2405GB volumevol1 15TB 15TB noneapp3_vol2 522GB 395GB volume Aggregate Allocated Used AvailTotal space 19TB 18TB 2244GBSnap reserve 0KB 0KB 0KBWAFL reserve 4046GB 430GB 3615GB > df -hAAggregate total used avail capacityaggr0 35TB 33TB 2248GB 94%aggr0/.snapshot 0TB 0TB 0TB ---%

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Rquota on NFS?
by Basil 27 Nov '19

27 Nov '19

Hey folks, Does anyone here enable rquota on NFS on CDOT? If so, does it allow modifications to quotas? Cheers! Basil

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Re: Encryption at rest
by Michael Bergman 26 Nov '19

26 Nov '19

On 2019-11-25 16:27, Chris Hague wrote: > Can anyone give me some real world performance expectations for enabling > encryption at rest? > > NAE for AFF > NVE for FAS There is a document, created by NetApp, which does this. It's labeled "confidential" so you'd have to go ask your NTAP rep I guess. It's called Performance Considerations NetApp Volume Encryption Real world, well it isn't really that per se. But absolutely real in the sense that it was a proper test. Performance benchmarks run w/ and w/o NAE & NVE for AFF (8080 & 8040). For FAS I do not think there is anything and spinning disk is a problem in so many was anyway that you probably better stay away from NVE/NAE there. It will just become even more unpredictable for you than it already is to to speak. Not sure why you write "NAE for AFF" but "NVE for FAS". For FAS I'd recommend NSE disk --> no impact. > > VMWare running on NFS, CIFS, FCP > > All filers running within acceptable CPU \ DISK UTIL. (50% and under). Is > there a latency penalty? By this you probably mean that both CPU and Disk util are well under <50% "everywhere". VMware running on... could mean anything. That notion doesn't say anything really. What the workload is depends on what the VM's are doing of course. The general A is that yes there is a latency penalty but YMMV. It's quite possible that *you* in your use case would not notice any such heightened latency. It all depends on how hard you push the system overall. There's a IOPS vs Latency curve of course, there always is. NVE/NAE will move this curve compared to w/o encryption. Exactly how depends on your particular workload pattern. Cheers, M -- Michael Bergman Sr Systems Analyst / Storage Architect michael.bergman(a)ericsson.com BNEW Service Area Networks, Lab Ops Phone +46 10 7152945 Global Network & Tech, Architecture SMS/MMS +46 70 5480835 Ericsson Torshamnsg 36, 16480 Sthlm, Sweden -- This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer

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Console/ssh hangs when starting snapmirror
by Douglas Siggins 26 Nov '19

26 Nov '19

Greetings, This is FAS8080 running 8.2.5P37Mode, and we've seen it on 3 of the same systems that are newly installed (it is for a migration to cmode). Wondering if anyone has run into this issue. We are experiencing an odd issue where when starting a snapmirror of serial/SP the console hangs (messages do appear on the screen). If we ssh into the system it works fine. If we drop and go back to console it is still hung. We've also tested starting the snapmirror via ssh and that hangs as well, and the console works fine. I havent confirmed whether or not if I then drop that SSH session and relogin if it is still hung. I've never seen this before on new systems, and wondering if anyone has seen the exact issue. I have however seen consoles/ssh hang because of system load or wafl checks, but never with establishing a snapmirror baseline. Regards, Douglas

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