toasters September 2004

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RE: Fiber San
by Timothy Sesow 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

The Brocade 3200 is a solid box and I have used Brocade for about 7 years with almost no real problems. However, I have started using the QLogic 5200 recently due to its REALLY lower price and have not had any problems with it either. But the QLogic isn't on the compatibility matrix. I have also used the CISCO 9216, which I like better than Brocade but it is also pricey. Keep in mind that in this case, you are not doing FCP so the compatibility matrix for FCP does not directly apply. For the Windows 2003 box, I have used Emulex, QLogic, LSI and JNI (now AMCC) Host Bus Adapters (Fibre Channel NICs) and I really prefer the QLogic 2340 (or 2342 for a dual port). It is the only card I have used that NEVER had a problem. Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:37 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: RAYMUND SANTOS Subject: Fiber San Hi all We currently have an R200 that holds around 2 TB's of data. We have been backing this up using Cifs shares with Veritas backup exec, needles to say this has been a very painful and slow process. We are now looking into the idea of building a fiber SAN. Our Backup tape device is a Scalar 24 the drive is an IBM ULTRIUM-TD2, the server that will be running netback up is a windows 2003 server, and this along with the R200 will be plugged into the Fiber SAN. What I would like some advice on here is what type of fiber switch would you all recommend? I was looking at the 3200 also any recommendations on fiber nic cards for my 2003 box? http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp Thanks for any comments on this Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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RE: Fiber San
by Bui, Marcus 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Skip, We are using Netbackup Datacenter, running on Solaris, with the Brocade Silkworm 3800 and Quantum P6000 and P7000 SDLT. All the HBAs on Windows server, connecting to another SAN, uses QLogic 24xx. The 3800 is use primarily for Filer backup since our QLogic switch was not certify with Netapp at the time. So far the QLogic, 3800, and Netbackup works great. You will need to the NDMP option with Netbackup to backup the Filer without using CIFS shares. NDMP will likely increase your backup performance. Good Luck! Marcus Bui AIM Investments IT Services phone: 713-986-9061 fax: 713-821-9524 email: marcus.bui(a)aiminvestments.com pager: 8773450839(a)archwireless.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:37 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: RAYMUND SANTOS Subject: Fiber San Hi all We currently have an R200 that holds around 2 TB's of data. We have been backing this up using Cifs shares with Veritas backup exec, needles to say this has been a very painful and slow process. We are now looking into the idea of building a fiber SAN. Our Backup tape device is a Scalar 24 the drive is an IBM ULTRIUM-TD2, the server that will be running netback up is a windows 2003 server, and this along with the R200 will be plugged into the Fiber SAN. What I would like some advice on here is what type of fiber switch would you all recommend? I was looking at the 3200 also any recommendations on fiber nic cards for my 2003 box? http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp <http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp> Thanks for any comments on this Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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RE: Fiber San
by Maxwell Reid 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Heya Skip, hmm.. I have a setup similar to the one you're proposing, and I've found that there is a better option. In lieu of conitinuing to use veritas products, and building out a SAN, I would suggest changing your backup software vendor. www.bakbone.com <http://www.bakbone.com> 's netvault line is pretty impressive. Generally less expensive, full NDMP support, neat-o filer options. Topology wise, plug the backup tape unit directly to the R200. You can then use the netvault software running on the windows 2003 server to backup ALL your windows servers to the tape library through the R200 using NDMP (over GbE), plus you can significantly reduce the amount of time it takes to backup the R200. If people are dead set on using FC, definately get either Emulex or Qlogic Cards. I personally perfer Emulex. Regards, Max -----Original Message----- From: SKIP HOFMANN [mailto:SKIP.HOFMANN@ttisg.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:37 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: RAYMUND SANTOS Subject: Fiber San Hi all We currently have an R200 that holds around 2 TB's of data. We have been backing this up using Cifs shares with Veritas backup exec, needles to say this has been a very painful and slow process. We are now looking into the idea of building a fiber SAN. Our Backup tape device is a Scalar 24 the drive is an IBM ULTRIUM-TD2, the server that will be running netback up is a windows 2003 server, and this along with the R200 will be plugged into the Fiber SAN. What I would like some advice on here is what type of fiber switch would you all recommend? I was looking at the 3200 also any recommendations on fiber nic cards for my 2003 box? http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp <http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp> Thanks for any comments on this Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office This electronic message, along with any attachments, is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any proprietary information or intellectual property contained in this transmission remains the sole and exclusive property of Marshall & Swift or Marshall & Swift/Boeckh. No right to use any products or services described in this transmission is valid without an executed and paid license agreement. If you received this in error, please reply to advise the sender and delete the material from any computer.

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Fiber San
by SKIP HOFMANN 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Hi all We currently have an R200 that holds around 2 TB's of data. We have been backing this up using Cifs shares with Veritas backup exec, needles to say this has been a very painful and slow process. We are now looking into the idea of building a fiber SAN. Our Backup tape device is a Scalar 24 the drive is an IBM ULTRIUM-TD2, the server that will be running netback up is a windows 2003 server, and this along with the R200 will be plugged into the Fiber SAN. What I would like some advice on here is what type of fiber switch would you all recommend? I was looking at the 3200 also any recommendations on fiber nic cards for my 2003 box? http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp <http://www.brocade.com/products/silkworm/silkworm_3200/sw_3200.jsp> Thanks for any comments on this Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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RE: Replacement disk problem
by jeff.mery＠ni.com 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

I agree 100%, but there is also a safety measure built in. "vol destroy" will only work against offline volumes. If you try to "vol destroy" the online volume, the command will puke and die with a message about the volume needing to be offline first. From what's below, Vol0(1), the foreign volume with disk 8a.13, will be offline. It can't be brought online because it's both incomplete and foreign. Vol0, the real and active root volume, will be online. This can easily be confirmed with a "vol status" command. Happy deleting =) Jeff Mery, MCP National Instruments ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Strange, Steve Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:53 PM To: John Kiniston; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacement disk problem Destroy the partial volume "vol0(1)" with "vol destroy vol0(1)". That will turn the disk into a spare. Obviously, be very careful when using the "vol destroy" command to make sure you get the right one. And make sure you really don't care about the data still on disk 8a.13! Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Kiniston [mailto:johnkiniston@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacement disk problem Howdy everyone, We put a used disk in our filer when we had a disk failure a number of months ago instead of a new fresh disk and I dont believe the new disk got added correctly. This is the output from the web interface where I noticed the problem: Foreign volume vol0(1) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- data 8a.13 8a 1 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 Raid group is missing 5 disks. Volume vol0 (root) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- parity 8a.1 8a 0 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.2 8a 0 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.3 8a 0 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.4 8a 0 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.5 8a 0 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.8 8a 1 0 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.9 8a 1 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.10 8a 1 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.12 8a 1 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.0 8a 0 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.14 8a 1 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783112 data 8a.11 8a 1 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 How can I get the replacement disk set to be a spare for vol0(root)

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RE: Replacement disk problem
by Strange, Steve 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Destroy the partial volume "vol0(1)" with "vol destroy vol0(1)". That will turn the disk into a spare. Obviously, be very careful when using the "vol destroy" command to make sure you get the right one. And make sure you really don't care about the data still on disk 8a.13! Steve -----Original Message----- From: John Kiniston [mailto:johnkiniston@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacement disk problem Howdy everyone, We put a used disk in our filer when we had a disk failure a number of months ago instead of a new fresh disk and I dont believe the new disk got added correctly. This is the output from the web interface where I noticed the problem: Foreign volume vol0(1) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- data 8a.13 8a 1 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 Raid group is missing 5 disks. Volume vol0 (root) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- parity 8a.1 8a 0 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.2 8a 0 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.3 8a 0 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.4 8a 0 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.5 8a 0 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.8 8a 1 0 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.9 8a 1 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.10 8a 1 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.12 8a 1 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.0 8a 0 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.14 8a 1 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783112 data 8a.11 8a 1 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 How can I get the replacement disk set to be a spare for vol0(root)

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RE: Replacement disk problem
by John Clear 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

`vol destroy vol0(1)` will remove it from vol0(1) and make it a spare disk. John -----Original Message----- From: John Kiniston [mailto:johnkiniston@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:32 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Replacement disk problem Howdy everyone, We put a used disk in our filer when we had a disk failure a number of months ago instead of a new fresh disk and I dont believe the new disk got added correctly. This is the output from the web interface where I noticed the problem: Foreign volume vol0(1) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- data 8a.13 8a 1 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 Raid group is missing 5 disks. Volume vol0 (root) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- parity 8a.1 8a 0 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.2 8a 0 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.3 8a 0 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.4 8a 0 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.5 8a 0 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.8 8a 1 0 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.9 8a 1 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.10 8a 1 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.12 8a 1 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.0 8a 0 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.14 8a 1 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783112 data 8a.11 8a 1 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 How can I get the replacement disk set to be a spare for vol0(root)

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Replacement disk problem
by John Kiniston 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Howdy everyone, We put a used disk in our filer when we had a disk failure a number of months ago instead of a new fresh disk and I dont believe the new disk got added correctly. This is the output from the web interface where I noticed the problem: Foreign volume vol0(1) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- data 8a.13 8a 1 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 Raid group is missing 5 disks. Volume vol0 (root) RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- parity 8a.1 8a 0 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.2 8a 0 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.3 8a 0 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.4 8a 0 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.5 8a 0 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.8 8a 1 0 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.9 8a 1 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.10 8a 1 2 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.12 8a 1 4 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.0 8a 0 1 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 8a.14 8a 1 6 8600/17612800 8683/17783112 data 8a.11 8a 1 3 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 How can I get the replacement disk set to be a spare for vol0(root)

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15 Sep '04

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Fwd: FW: migrating from 740
by Paul Galjan 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Actually, there is a copper FC HBA on the back of the 250 for doing NDMP or regular dumps directly to tape. If you need to use an non-FC library/tape drive, most library vendors will sell a converter for not too much money. Alternatively, you can backup from CIFS/NFS shares. --paul -----Original Message----- From: Tim Longo [mailto:tlongo@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:17 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: migrating from 740 Greetings, I am currently running a F740 with about 1 terabyte of raw storage at about 50% utilization. I'm beginning to look into an replacemnt, perhaps an FAS250 or FAS270. At this point, I have a HVD SCSI connection going from my filer to a tape library for backups. The FAS250 etc, don't have a SCSI connectors, so I've been told I would need a converter from Ethernet to SCSI. Anyone using a converter for this purpose? How are people with the FAS250 backing up their systems? Any other thoughts or suggestions also welcome. Thanks.

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