Peter:
Some used NetApp filers DO have transferable ONTAP licenses. We have been providing them for many years and would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Scott
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In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time, Steven.Roach@netapp.com writes:
Peter,
If all you wanted was access via FCP that is the only license you would need, a software subscription also would be needed so you can download the Data OnTap.
A hardware subscription would not be a bad idea. Not sure how much the cost is, I would certainly have a conversation with your local NetApp Sales guy or a Channel Sales rep.
On 4/20/08 10:33 PM, "Peter Rosenthal" voiperster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Steven,
Is the FCP license all that is required or is there some sort of base license. Any ballpark figure on the license cost?
Thanks.
2008/4/21 Roach, Steven Steven.Roach@netapp.com:
Hey Peter,
Resetting a password is very easy, During the boot hit Control + C to enter in to Special Menu and one of the options there will allow to you to reset the password.
Licenses are a whole other story. Licenses do not transfer with Used equipment. If you buy a used FAS270 will have to buy an "FCP" license to access it over Fibre Channel.
____________________________________ From: Peter Rosenthal [_mailto:voiperster@gmail.com]_ (mailto:voiperster@gmail.com]) Sent: Sun 4/20/2008 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Licensing Question
Hello,
We are considering getting some used netapps equipment. I am mostly concerned with the pitfalls of licensing and would be grateful for any pointers.
Specifically we are currently looking at a FAS270. We want to connect it via fibre channel to a FC switch and then two FC HBAs on different hosts. I do not want to end up with a door stop product and therefore I would like to know if:
Will I have any problems resetting any existing passwords that might exist on the filer? Is the license required to access the filer via fibre channel optional or will any licensed filer support it?
Thanks.
NetApp Steve Roach Mobile (215)237-1660 Support (888)463-8277
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Scott is right re. traditional NetApp licensing. The base OS licence used to be (and still is AFAIK) perpetual and transferable (bound to the system S/N), however the right to download and install upgrades or maintenance releases requires an active maintenance subscription, which is not transferable.
So if you buy a used filer, you only have the right to use the last version of Data OnTap available at the time the unit was sold or when the previous owner's support contract ran out, whichever came first. And you can only use the protocol licences that were purchased for that system.
You need to ensure with your used filer that you are given the legitimate licence codes for the protocol licenses that were purchased during the previous owner(s)' history of the box.
If you do want to add protocols, then as Steve Roach from NetApp has stated you first need to also purchase a software subscription for Data OnTap. This will also then allow you to upgrade to the latest version of OnTap available for that hardware platform.
regards,
Alan McLachlan Senior Storage Administrator Information Technology Woolworths Limited
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of ScottUCE@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 9:29 AM To: Steven.Roach@netapp.com; voiperster@gmail.com Cc: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Licensing Question Peter: Some used NetApp filers DO have transferable ONTAP licenses. We have been providing them for many years and would be happy to answer any questions you might have. Scott Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 7600 West 27th Street Building B1 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55426 scott@unioncomputer.com 952.935.7282 - Office 952.240.6835 - Mobile (urgent calls only) "Helping our customers make each dollar go further - since 1991!" In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time, Steven.Roach@netapp.com writes:
Peter, If all you wanted was access via FCP that is the only license you would need, a software subscription also would be needed so you can download the Data OnTap. A hardware subscription would not be a bad idea. Not sure how much the cost is, I would certainly have a conversation with your local NetApp Sales guy or a Channel Sales rep. On 4/20/08 10:33 PM, "Peter Rosenthal" voiperster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Steven, Is the FCP license all that is required or is there some sort of base license. Any ballpark figure on the license cost? Thanks. 2008/4/21 Roach, Steven Steven.Roach@netapp.com:
Hey Peter, Resetting a password is very easy, During the boot hit Control + C to enter in to Special Menu and one of the options there will allow to you to reset the password. Licenses are a whole other story. Licenses do not transfer with Used equipment. If you buy a used FAS270 will have to buy an "FCP" license to access it over Fibre Channel. ________________________________
From: Peter Rosenthal [ mailto:voiperster@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 4/20/2008 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Licensing Question Hello, We are considering getting some used netapps equipment. I am mostly concerned with the pitfalls of licensing and would be grateful for any pointers. Specifically we are currently looking at a FAS270. We want to connect it via fibre channel to a FC switch and then two FC HBAs on different hosts. I do not want to end up with a door stop product and therefore I would like to know if: Will I have any problems resetting any existing passwords that might exist on the filer? Is the license required to access the filer via fibre channel optional or will any licensed filer support it? Thanks.
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None of NetApp's software licenses are transferable, and they never have been in my 14 years as CEO.
Dan
Dan Warmenhoven Chairman & CEO
NetApp, Inc. 1-408-822-6600 Direct dan@netapp.com mailto:dan@netapp.com www.netapp.com http://www.netapp.com/
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From: ScottUCE@aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:29 PM To: Roach, Steven; voiperster@gmail.com Cc: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Licensing Question
Peter:
Some used NetApp filers DO have transferable ONTAP licenses. We have been providing them for many years and would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Scott
Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 7600 West 27th Street Building B1 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55426 scott@unioncomputer.com 952.935.7282 - Office 952.240.6835 - Mobile (urgent calls only)
"Helping our customers make each dollar go further - since 1991!"
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time, Steven.Roach@netapp.com writes:
Peter, If all you wanted was access via FCP that is the only license you would need, a software subscription also would be needed so you can download the Data OnTap. A hardware subscription would not be a bad idea. Not sure how much the cost is, I would certainly have a conversation with your local NetApp Sales guy or a Channel Sales rep. On 4/20/08 10:33 PM, "Peter Rosenthal" voiperster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Steven, Is the FCP license all that is required or is there some sort of base license. Any ballpark figure on the license cost? Thanks. 2008/4/21 Roach, Steven Steven.Roach@netapp.com:
Hey Peter, Resetting a password is very easy, During the boot hit Control + C to enter in to Special Menu and one of the options there will allow to you to reset the password. Licenses are a whole other story. Licenses do not transfer with Used equipment. If you buy a used FAS270 will have to buy an "FCP" license to access it over Fibre Channel. ________________________________
From: Peter Rosenthal [ mailto:voiperster@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 4/20/2008 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Licensing Question Hello, We are considering getting some used netapps equipment. I am mostly concerned with the pitfalls of licensing and would be grateful for any pointers. Specifically we are currently looking at a FAS270. We want to connect it via fibre channel to a FC switch and then two FC HBAs on different hosts. I do not want to end up with a door stop product and therefore I would like to know if: Will I have any problems resetting any existing passwords that might exist on the filer? Is the license required to access the filer via fibre channel optional or will any licensed filer support it? Thanks.
NetApp Steve Roach Mobile (215)237-1660 Support (888)463-8277
________________________________
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That's correct
No can do
However you can get a partial refund on the old license. And a discount on the new one. Talk to your rep
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-----Original Message----- From: "Warmenhoven, Dan" Dan.Warmenhoven@netapp.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:50:28 To:"Roach, Steven" Steven.Roach@netapp.com, voiperster@gmail.com, toasters@mathworks.com Cc:ScottUCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Licensing Question
None of NetApp's software licenses are transferable, and they never have been in my 14 years as CEO. Dan
Dan Warmenhoven Chairman & CEO NetApp, Inc. 1-408-822-6600 Direct dan@netapp.com mailto:dan@netapp.com http://www.netapp.com/ www.netapp.com
---------------- From: ScottUCE@aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:29 PM To: Roach, Steven; voiperster@gmail.com Cc: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Licensing Question
Peter: Some used NetApp filers DO have transferable ONTAP licenses. We have been providing them for many years and would be happy to answer any questions you might have. Scott Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 7600 West 27th Street Building B1 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55426 scott@unioncomputer.com mailto:scott@unioncomputer.com 952.935.7282 - Office 952.240.6835 - Mobile (urgent calls only) "Helping our customers make each dollar go further - since 1991!" In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time, Steven.Roach@netapp.com writes: Peter,
If all you wanted was access via FCP that is the only license you would need, a software subscription also would be needed so you can download the Data OnTap.
A hardware subscription would not be a bad idea. Not sure how much the cost is, I would certainly have a conversation with your local NetApp Sales guy or a Channel Sales rep.
On 4/20/08 10:33 PM, "Peter Rosenthal" voiperster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Steven,
Is the FCP license all that is required or is there some sort of base license. Any ballpark figure on the license cost?
Thanks.
2008/4/21 Roach, Steven Steven.Roach@netapp.com: Hey Peter,
Resetting a password is very easy, During the boot hit Control + C to enter in to Special Menu and one of the options there will allow to you to reset the password.
Licenses are a whole other story. Licenses do not transfer with Used equipment. If you buy a used FAS270 will have to buy an "FCP" license to access it over Fibre Channel.
---------------- From: Peter Rosenthal [mailto:voiperster@gmail.com] mailto:voiperster@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 4/20/2008 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Licensing Question
Hello,
We are considering getting some used netapps equipment. I am mostly concerned with the pitfalls of licensing and would be grateful for any pointers.
Specifically we are currently looking at a FAS270. We want to connect it via fibre channel to a FC switch and then two FC HBAs on different hosts. I do not want to end up with a door stop product and therefore I would like to know if:
Will I have any problems resetting any existing passwords that might exist on the filer? Is the license required to access the filer via fibre channel optional or will any licensed filer support it?
Thanks.
NetApp Steve Roach Mobile (215)237-1660 Support (888)463-8277
---------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851 .
Hi Dan,
So the licences were never transferable - that will upset some used filer resellers...
My reading of an old license agreement back in '99 indicated however that it was perpetual, at least for the original owner. That is, if you were happy to keep running the same version of Ontap once your maintenance ran out, you would remain licensed forever?
That is, you need to purchase a software subscription only to receive support and upgrades, not to retain the right to use the software originally purchased?
Just curious to find out if this has changed, I know a few customers from when I worked for a NetApp reseller several years ago who still have their old, out of maintenance F7xx and F8xx series filers running in a corner for dev/test and non-critical storage. Apart from the gradual increase in drive failure rate they're so stable some people are happy to leave them running for years even with no support.
regards,
Alan McLachlan Senior Storage Administrator Information Technology Woolworths Limited
P +61 2 8885 3735 | F +61 2 8888 3735 | M +61 428 655644 E AlanMcLachlan "at" Woolworths.com.au
1 Woolworths Way Bella Vista, NSW 2153 PO Box 8000 Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 Mail point: E3.D5.W.11
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Warmenhoven, Dan Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:50 AM To: Roach, Steven; voiperster@gmail.com; toasters@mathworks.com Cc: ScottUCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Licensing Question None of NetApp's software licenses are transferable, and they never have been in my 14 years as CEO. Dan
Dan Warmenhoven Chairman & CEO
NetApp, Inc. 1-408-822-6600 Direct dan@netapp.com mailto:dan@netapp.com www.netapp.com http://www.netapp.com/
________________________________
From: ScottUCE@aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:29 PM To: Roach, Steven; voiperster@gmail.com Cc: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Licensing Question Peter: Some used NetApp filers DO have transferable ONTAP licenses. We have been providing them for many years and would be happy to answer any questions you might have. Scott Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 7600 West 27th Street Building B1 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55426 scott@unioncomputer.com 952.935.7282 - Office 952.240.6835 - Mobile (urgent calls only) "Helping our customers make each dollar go further - since 1991!" In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time, Steven.Roach@netapp.com writes:
Peter, If all you wanted was access via FCP that is the only license you would need, a software subscription also would be needed so you can download the Data OnTap. A hardware subscription would not be a bad idea. Not sure how much the cost is, I would certainly have a conversation with your local NetApp Sales guy or a Channel Sales rep. On 4/20/08 10:33 PM, "Peter Rosenthal" voiperster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Steven, Is the FCP license all that is required or is there some sort of base license. Any ballpark figure on the license cost? Thanks. 2008/4/21 Roach, Steven Steven.Roach@netapp.com:
Hey Peter, Resetting a password is very easy, During the boot hit Control + C to enter in to Special Menu and one of the options there will allow to you to reset the password. Licenses are a whole other story. Licenses do not transfer with Used equipment. If you buy a used FAS270 will have to buy an "FCP" license to access it over Fibre Channel. ________________________________
From: Peter Rosenthal [ mailto:voiperster@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 4/20/2008 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Licensing Question Hello, We are considering getting some used netapps equipment. I am mostly concerned with the pitfalls of licensing and would be grateful for any pointers. Specifically we are currently looking at a FAS270. We want to connect it via fibre channel to a FC switch and then two FC HBAs on different hosts. I do not want to end up with a door stop product and therefore I would like to know if: Will I have any problems resetting any existing passwords that might exist on the filer? Is the license required to access the filer via fibre channel optional or will any licensed filer support it? Thanks.
NetApp Steve Roach Mobile (215)237-1660 Support (888)463-8277
________________________________
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What about equipment that is donated to educational institutions?
On 4/21/08 5:50 PM, "Warmenhoven, Dan" Dan.Warmenhoven@netapp.com wrote:
None of NetApp's software licenses are transferable, and they never have been in my 14 years as CEO.
Dan
Dan Warmenhoven Chairman & CEO
NetApp, Inc. 1-408-822-6600 Direct dan@netapp.com mailto:dan@netapp.com www.netapp.com http://www.netapp.com/
From: ScottUCE@aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:29 PM To: Roach, Steven; voiperster@gmail.com Cc: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Licensing Question
Peter:
Some used NetApp filers DO have transferable ONTAP licenses. We have been providing them for many years and would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Scott
Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 7600 West 27th Street Building B1 Minneapolis, Minnesota 55426 scott@unioncomputer.com 952.935.7282 - Office 952.240.6835 - Mobile (urgent calls only)
"Helping our customers make each dollar go further - since 1991!"
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:27:37 AM Central Daylight Time, Steven.Roach@netapp.com writes:
Peter,
If all you wanted was access via FCP that is the only license you would need, a software subscription also would be needed so you can download the Data OnTap.
A hardware subscription would not be a bad idea. Not sure how much the cost is, I would certainly have a conversation with your local NetApp Sales guy or a Channel Sales rep.
On 4/20/08 10:33 PM, "Peter Rosenthal" voiperster@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Steven,
Is the FCP license all that is required or is there some sort of base license. Any ballpark figure on the license cost?
Thanks.
2008/4/21 Roach, Steven Steven.Roach@netapp.com:
Hey Peter,
Resetting a password is very easy, During the boot hit Control + C to enter in to Special Menu and one of the options there will allow to you to reset the password.
Licenses are a whole other story. Licenses do not transfer with Used equipment. If you buy a used FAS270 will have to buy an "FCP" license to access it over Fibre Channel.
From: Peter Rosenthal [mailto:voiperster@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 4/20/2008 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Licensing Question
Hello,
We are considering getting some used netapps equipment. I am mostly concerned with the pitfalls of licensing and would be grateful for any pointers.
Specifically we are currently looking at a FAS270. We want to connect it via fibre channel to a FC switch and then two FC HBAs on different hosts. I do not want to end up with a door stop product and therefore I would like to know if:
Will I have any problems resetting any existing passwords that might exist on the filer? Is the license required to access the filer via fibre channel optional or will any licensed filer support it?
Thanks.
NetApp Steve Roach Mobile (215)237-1660 Support (888)463-8277
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