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RE: LTO support?
by Stringer, Douglas 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

David: Yes, we've heard of it, and LTO as a supported tape format is on our roadmap. Please bear with me on this as I want to weed through the 'talk' and the 'hype' that jumps out at me in the below messages. Data protection and restorability is very serious business, not glamorous, not sexy, but pretty darn important if a company's business depends on it. Our goal here is to bring to our installed and new customer base a standard of 'proven' reliability in maintaining data integrity so that operations in workgroups-to-enterprise level environments go on as expected. With that in mind, field reliability and data to prove it out are top on the list of priorities for our certified solutions. Coming from a tape drive manufacturing area myself, I know that introduction (i.e. shipping vs. development and marketing) of a new tape format follows a fairly slow curve during the first two years before market/customer acceptance kicks in. LTO, as well as SDLT, will get there probably sooner due to both coming from the 'linear tape format' world and all manufacturers have a wealth of tape experience with other formats. Regards, Doug Stringer -----Original Message----- From: David A. Chapa [mailto:david@datastaff.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:05 PM To: Moshe Linzer Cc: Collie, Michael; Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? LTO has been talked about for the last 18 months rather aggressively, I'm surprised as well. Quoting Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com>: > Actually, after a closer look it appears that the IBM library is an OEM of > the > ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors selling (& shipping?) LTO > gear, > and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe that NetApp doesn't know > about > it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are hungry for more > powerful > backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be an OnTap LTO driver > available until a year after the official release of the technology is > incredible! > > Moshe > > "Collie, Michael" wrote: > > > >From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having > LTO > > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier > > library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO > > solutions. > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > Michael. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > > To: Steve Vawter > > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar > also > > has a > > few models available with LTO. > > > > Moshe > > > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > > > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > > > Overland Data > > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408- 490-8615 > > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > > > --> > > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > > > --> > > > --> Moshe, > > > --> > > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and > 9840s. > > The > > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > > > --> > > > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO > > technology into > > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of > > 2001. > > > --> > > > --> > > > --> ---Original Message----- > > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > --> > > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have > > two > > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am > > hesitant > > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. > Can > > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > > --> > > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a > > different > > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform > identically, > > or > > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > > --> > > > --> - ryan > > > --> > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> David A. Chapa Consulting Manager DataStaff, Inc. 847 413 1144 http://www.consulting.datastaff.com --------------------------------------- NBU-LSERV(a)datastaff.com - Adv. Scripting

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RE: LTO support?
by Alvarado, Michael 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Yes LTO has been discussed extensively but all of the potential LTO suppliers have been unable to supply NetApp with any LTO devices and the SCSI device driver cannot be written without a drive. IBM prioritized other vendors ahead of NetApp. Here is where it is helpful to the end use customers make clear to suppliers that NetApp support is strategic and important. -----Original Message----- From: David A. Chapa [mailto:david@datastaff.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:05 PM To: Moshe Linzer Cc: Collie, Michael; Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? LTO has been talked about for the last 18 months rather aggressively, I'm surprised as well. Quoting Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com>: > Actually, after a closer look it appears that the IBM library is an OEM of > the > ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors selling (& shipping?) LTO > gear, > and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe that NetApp doesn't know > about > it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are hungry for more > powerful > backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be an OnTap LTO driver > available until a year after the official release of the technology is > incredible! > > Moshe > > "Collie, Michael" wrote: > > > >From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having > LTO > > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier > > library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO > > solutions. > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > Michael. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > > To: Steve Vawter > > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar > also > > has a > > few models available with LTO. > > > > Moshe > > > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > > > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > > > Overland Data > > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408- 490-8615 > > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > > > --> > > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > > > --> > > > --> Moshe, > > > --> > > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and > 9840s. > > The > > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > > > --> > > > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO > > technology into > > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of > > 2001. > > > --> > > > --> > > > --> ---Original Message----- > > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > --> > > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have > > two > > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am > > hesitant > > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. > Can > > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > > --> > > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a > > different > > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform > identically, > > or > > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > > --> > > > --> - ryan > > > --> > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> David A. Chapa Consulting Manager DataStaff, Inc. 847 413 1144 http://www.consulting.datastaff.com --------------------------------------- NBU-LSERV(a)datastaff.com - Adv. Scripting

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RE: LTO support?
by Alvarado, Michael 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

This device could be offered sooner if the library vendors selling LTO were to introduce libraries with a GbE interface and an embedded NDMP server like ATL Products has announced and which several other library vendors are planning to announce. http://www.atlp.com/products/osn/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:21 AM To: Collie, Michael Cc: Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? Actually, after a closer look it appears that the IBM library is an OEM of the ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors selling (& shipping?) LTO gear, and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe that NetApp doesn't know about it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are hungry for more powerful backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be an OnTap LTO driver available until a year after the official release of the technology is incredible! Moshe "Collie, Michael" wrote: > >From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having LTO > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier > library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO > solutions. > > Thanks for the information. > > Michael. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > To: Steve Vawter > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar also > has a > few models available with LTO. > > Moshe > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > > Overland Data > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408-490-8615 > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > --> > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > > --> > > --> Moshe, > > --> > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and 9840s. > The > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > > --> > > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO > technology into > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of > 2001. > > --> > > --> > > --> ---Original Message----- > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > --> > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have > two > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am > hesitant > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. Can > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > --> > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a > different > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform identically, > or > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > --> > > --> - ryan > > -->

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RE: getting dump messages into messages file
by Itzik Meirson D.Sc. 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

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RE: LTO support?
by Collie, Michael 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

>From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having LTO solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO solutions. Thanks for the information. Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM To: Steve Vawter Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar also has a few models available with LTO. Moshe Steve Vawter wrote: > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > supposedly shipping these units. > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > Overland Data > www.overlanddata.com > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408-490-8615 > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > --> > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > --> > --> Moshe, > --> > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and 9840s. The > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > --> > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO technology into > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of 2001. > --> > --> > --> ---Original Message----- > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > --> To: Moshe Linzer > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > --> > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have two > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am hesitant > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. Can > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > --> > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a different > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform identically, or > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > --> > --> - ryan > --> -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -

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non-LVD Differential SCSI card for F7xx
by Rob Windsor 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

We've been told buy our sales rep that NetApp doesn't sell non-LVD PCI Differential-SCSI cards. Is this true? If so, it is *really* going to cramp our style. :P Rob++ ---------------------------------------- Rob Windsor E-Mail - mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - phone:972-680-6919 Computer Services Fax - phone:972-680-0370 Broadband Access and Transport Group __o ADC Telecommunications _`\<,_ Richardson, TX 75082 (_)/ (_)

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RE: Tape autoloader with F760
by Cormier, Darleen 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

There is no command to rescan the SCSI bus, so yes, you will have to reboot the filer. Please be sure that the drives in the library are supported in the version of DataONTAP you are using. -----Original Message----- From: netapp-list [mailto:netapp-list@tiscali.be] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:37 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Tape autoloader with F760 Hi all, I would like to use a Hexabyte 17D autoloader on F760 Cluster, but I don't know how to make it detected by the filer. Is there a command to rescan the SCSI bus or does I've to reboot the filer ? Thanks.

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Tape autoloader with F760
by netapp-list 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Hi all, I would like to use a Hexabyte 17D autoloader on F760 Cluster, but I don't know how to make it detected by the filer. Is there a command to rescan the SCSI bus or does I've to reboot the filer ? Thanks.

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NFS version 4
by Chris Thompson 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Now that NFS version 4 has got as far as a complete specification in an RFC (RFC 3010, December 2000), would it be too much like tweaking the Devil's tail to inquire about NetApp's plans with respect to it? I can't find anything on NOW, but perhaps I shouldn't expect to... Of course, we are probably still years away from usable client implementations. Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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RE: Multiple Oracle DBs on a filer
by George Kahler 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

I would like to express my thanks to all of the people that have responded to my Oracle query and have showed me the way ... :-) I was not aware of the Oracle SID which makes things much more easier to implement. As many of you mentioned it looks like I only need one oracle account on each server I want Oracle to run on and then 'share' this account amongst all of the database instances setting the proper environment based on the SID. Many thanks, George

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