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Mixing Netapp and EMC in a SAN environment
by Venkat Appineni 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

All, Did anyone use both EMC and Netapp in a combined SAN environment where one solaris host mounts luns from both EMC and Netapp.. It does work but iam more concerned about any performance issues wrt to Veritas volume manager stripping across luns from EMC and Netapp.. Really appreciate your input.. -Venkat

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16 Feb '06

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RE: Disk Firmware upgrade
by George, Andrew 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Other things to think of Don't just do the lot - we've actually went to the point of doing 1 disk at a time or at worst 1 disk per raid group due to disk lockups in 6.5.2r1 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Philip Boyle Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2006 10:19 PM To: Klau Ruan Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Disk Firmware upgrade Hi Klau, If the filer is no longer part of a cluster you could use the below Netapp Knowledge base suggestion: http://now.netapp.com/Knowledgebase/solutionarea.asp?id=ntapcs9102 If the filer is still part of a cluster and you just don't want to update *all* disks in the cluster you could enable the cluster and just update the single disk. cf enable disk_fw_update 'disk_id' Regards, Philip On Wednesday 15 February 2006 09:51, Klau Ruan wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for help with F760 and Ontap 6.5.6. Does anyone have > problem experience using "disk_fw_update" without enable cf (cluster). > How can i upgrade the dis firmware without enable cluster? > > > The error: > > filer4*> disk_fw_update > > Are you sure you want to continue with firmware update? yes > > (You can ignore disk error messages for disks being updated until this > update completes) Cluster interconnect not available (cf disabled?). > Unable to download firmware. > > -Klau -- ------------------ Philip Boyle eircom net systems philip.boyle(a)eircom.net tel: +353 1 701 0921 mob: +353 87 634 9119

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wiping disks on an old F230
by Sphar, Mike 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

We've got an old F230 that I was finally able to decommission today, and I figure even though I've deleted all the data it would probably be a good idea to scrub the disks a bit for security purposes. Problem is I just can't remember (and can't seem to find searching around NOW) what the best way to do that back in OnTap 5.3.7R3D18 was. I know I could do disk sanitize now, but not sure what if anything was available in older versions. Any suggestions? (I fully concede that I might be having a complete brain failure about the painfully obvious solution I should already know. But I even searched around NOW a bit and couldn't find an answer.) -- Michael W. Sphar - IS&T - Lead Systems Administrator SMBU Engineering Support Services, BMC Software

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RE: F720 Install
by Glenn Dekhayser 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

iSCSI licenses are not free! They are only free to customers who have licensed a NAS protocol (CIFS or NFS). Evidenced by the fact that you must log into the NOW site to get the iSCSI license key.... Glenn -----Original Message----- do not abuse a filer as a door stopper! but get an iSCSI license, it's free create a virtual disk mount that from a Windows Server 'share that folder' works with Linux as well do not abuse a filer as a door stopper! Herbert -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Istwany, Basil [mailto:istwanyb@acrj.org] Gesendet: Mi 15.02.2006 16:54 An: Mike Cutler Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Betreff: RE: F720 Install Thanks for your help we are unlincensed and I guess that means I have a nice door stop. Basil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Cutler [mailto:mikec@pdi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:13 AM To: Istwany, Basil Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: F720 Install is it licensed? without an nfs or cifs license, your not going to be able to export anything or make any available shares. type 'license' on the console to see Mike On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Istwany, Basil Said: > We have just received in donation a couple of FC9 shelves. > > I found a F720 on ebay for cheap and now I am attempting to start the things. > > I have got the units attached via the FC cable and booted to the 2 floppy disks provided but I can not seem to attach to the hidden share from my windows PC or mount the file system from a linux box. Am I missing something vital. > > I have also received all sorts of documentation that appears to be no help. > > thanks in advance, > Basil Istwany > -- Mike Cutler - mikec(a)pdi.com PDI/Dreamworks Animation Technology

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Re: need some help on hardware platforms
by Mehrzad.Gomari＠Zarlink.Com 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Hello Hunter, I was communicating with you about years ago when I was going to buy my EMC clariion cx600. I bought that and I am using it for oracle and SAP using dual FC. What I really need your knowledge is a compare list or ad/dis-advantages of Network Appliance (netapps) over EMC SANs. I do not know who to trust and I need your independent idea about this. If you were to get one of these for your SAP environment, which one you would buy and also how to evaluate these two SAN dealers. I do not want to be the first genipeg to experiment with SAP/oracle/Linux/Netapps (our future target is Linux redhat). We are thinking to move from HPUX to Linux redhat for future of mysap ERP 2005, Oracle, package. Also: when this is done, we might have 2 or more EMC Symatrix to get rid of. I hope one day you could help me sell them too, if they worth anything. best regards, Mehrzad Gomari SAP Basis Admin Zarlink Semiconductor Tel: 613-270-7163 Cell: 613-769-5108 Fax: 613-592-1010 Mehrzad Gomari/Zarlink 02/15/2006 03:58 PM To mehrzad.gomari(a)zarlink.com cc Subject Fw: need some help on EMC CX600 fwd Mehrzad Gomari SAP Basis Admin Zarlink Semiconductor Tel: 613-270-7163 Cell: 613-292-4254 Fax: 613-592-1010 ----- Forwarded by Mehrzad Gomari/Zarlink on 02/15/2006 03:58 PM ----- "Hunter Wylie" <hwylie(a)stpaultel.com> 07/02/2003 12:56 AM To <Mehrzad.Gomari(a)Zarlink.Com> cc Subject RE: need some help on EMC CX600 Mehrzad, Glad to help. Since you are getting some new gear, are you getting rid of some old gear - Systems, disks, comm gear? My company lists IT components for companies. We are like a real estate broker. We jointly arrive at a retail selling price and list the gear. We only get a commission if the gear is sold. Generally our clients get about 2.5 to 3 times what a broker or system's vender would give them on a trade in. It's a confidential listing so we field and handle the calls and you see final the offers. We earn a 20% commission and you retain the rest on sale. Everything is cash in advance into bank escrow accounts. Let me know if this of interest to your company and who I need to talk to if it is. Thanks, Hunter M. Wylie 21193 French Prairie Rd Suite 100 St. Paul, Oregon 97137-9722 Bus: 866-367-8900 FAX: 503-633-8901 Cell: 503-880-1947 http://www.itmls.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Mehrzad.Gomari(a)Zarlink.Com [mailto:Mehrzad.Gomari@Zarlink.Com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:19 AM To: Hunter Wylie Subject: RE: need some help on EMC CX600 Thanks very much. Sure this will help us to understand cx much better. Thank you again Mehrzad Gomari SAP Basis Admin Zarlink Semiconductor Tel: 613-270-7163 Cell: 613-292-4254 Fax: 613-592-1010 "Hunter Wylie" <hwylie@stpaultel To: <Mehrzad.Gomari(a)Zarlink.Com> .com> cc: Subject: RE: need some help on EMC CX600 06/29/2003 12:06 AM Mehrzad, The EMC CX600 is a hardware/microcoded RAID protected disk array that has no file system equivalent or functionality when compared to a Filer. The CX600 is referred to as a member of the CLARiiON (TM) family. It was introduced as a low cost alternative the EMC Symeterix. The CX600 in and of itself has no standalone function like a Filer, i.e. filer, FTP serve or Web page server. For example, the CX600 cannot act as a file server. It must be connected to a Unix, NT or EMC Celerra that provides the file services. These servers use the CX600 as a disk array that provides LUNS. Refer to the following SPECFS link: http://www.spec.org/sfs97r1/results/res2002q4/sfs97r1-20021111-00119.htm l While the CX600 has many software products like : mirrorview, snapview, etc... these all deal with blind copying of logical disks with absolutely no idea of what state the information or file systems in on them. It's nothing more than a RAID protected disk subsystem. Please refer to the following link to EMC's data on the CX600: http://www.emc.com/products/systems/clariion_cx600.jsp The benchmarking you desire has to be put into the context the target environment. What do you want to get tests on. File server performance? Backup and recovery of complete file systems? Specific applications? MB/second tells nothing - where as my Oracle application ran 2X faster does. Or my backup and recovery times have been cut to 1/4. Good luck, Hunter M. Wylie 21193 French Prairie Rd Suite 100 St. Paul, Oregon 97137-9722 Bus: 866-367-8900 FAX: 503-633-8901 Cell: 503-880-1947 http://www.itmls.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Mehrzad.Gomari(a)Zarlink.Com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:13 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: mehrzadg(a)yahoo.com Subject: need some help on EMC CX600 Please if you have any benchmarking and other info. send me a copy. I thank you in advance. Mehrzad Gomari SAP Basis Admin Zarlink Semiconductor Tel: 613-270-7163 Cell: 613-292-4254 Fax: 613-592-1010

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AW: F720 Install
by Herbert Langenbach 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

do not abuse a filer as a door stopper! but get an iSCSI license, it's free create a virtual disk mount that from a Windows Server 'share that folder' works with Linux as well do not abuse a filer as a door stopper! Herbert -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Istwany, Basil [mailto:istwanyb@acrj.org] Gesendet: Mi 15.02.2006 16:54 An: Mike Cutler Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Betreff: RE: F720 Install Thanks for your help we are unlincensed and I guess that means I have a nice door stop. Basil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Cutler [mailto:mikec@pdi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:13 AM To: Istwany, Basil Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: F720 Install is it licensed? without an nfs or cifs license, your not going to be able to export anything or make any available shares. type 'license' on the console to see Mike On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Istwany, Basil Said: > We have just received in donation a couple of FC9 shelves. > > I found a F720 on ebay for cheap and now I am attempting to start the things. > > I have got the units attached via the FC cable and booted to the 2 floppy disks provided but I can not seem to attach to the hidden share from my windows PC or mount the file system from a linux box. Am I missing something vital. > > I have also received all sorts of documentation that appears to be no help. > > thanks in advance, > Basil Istwany > -- Mike Cutler - mikec(a)pdi.com PDI/Dreamworks Animation Technology

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RE: Maildir + netapp performance tuning?
by Jeff Mohler 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

If you have support, please feel free to open a case, and with perfstat they can take a glimpse at what is going on and tell you why its like that. If you get a case open, I will also gladly give it a quick peek as well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of Adam McDougall Sent: Tue 2/14/2006 9:12 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Maildir + netapp performance tuning? Does anyone have any tips for tuning a netapp (and/or clients) for nfs access to Maildir email folders? I know people do it, and potentially the load on the server(s) could be less than mbox because you arent shovelling around huge files, but it seems like the netapp is a little slow with opening a larger number of files for reading one by one. By large I mean over a few thousand (three to 130 thousand I have tested with) and slow I mean between 200 and 500 headers read per second from nfs. It is only slow if the filer does not have it cached already, because followup folder opens get several thousand headers per second throughput, similar to mbox. I have not tried other nfs servers, but I have attempted to simulate the load from courier-imapd or dovecot using a shell script to read 2 dozen lines from each of several thousand mail files, and the delay seems to be the netapp. Additionally, if if is a fresh folder open (not cached anywhere), the first 2,000 or so message headers load quickly, it slows down to between 200-500/sec for the next few thousand, and if you let it get above several tens of thousands, it continues to slow even more, down to less than 100 headers per second. I am somewhat dissapointed that the NOW forums and documentation is pretty much devoid of any mention of Maildir, let alone tuning for it. I have a FAS940, not heavily loaded, and the clients for this are a small cluster of Dell Poweredge 2650 dual 2ghz xeons, running in pre-production environments of either Debian Linux or FreeBSD 6.x. The filer is running 7.0.3, and the files are stored in a flexvol in an aggregate spanning 3 DS14's full of disks (28x36, 14x72).

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RE: F720 Install
by Istwany, Basil 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Thanks for your help we are unlincensed and I guess that means I have a nice door stop. Basil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Cutler [mailto:mikec@pdi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:13 AM To: Istwany, Basil Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: F720 Install is it licensed? without an nfs or cifs license, your not going to be able to export anything or make any available shares. type 'license' on the console to see Mike On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Istwany, Basil Said: > We have just received in donation a couple of FC9 shelves. > > I found a F720 on ebay for cheap and now I am attempting to start the things. > > I have got the units attached via the FC cable and booted to the 2 floppy disks provided but I can not seem to attach to the hidden share from my windows PC or mount the file system from a linux box. Am I missing something vital. > > I have also received all sorts of documentation that appears to be no help. > > thanks in advance, > Basil Istwany > -- Mike Cutler - mikec(a)pdi.com PDI/Dreamworks Animation Technology

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RE: F720 Install
by Istwany, Basil 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

I'll start it up and see about the license info Basil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Cutler [mailto:mikec@pdi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:13 AM To: Istwany, Basil Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: F720 Install is it licensed? without an nfs or cifs license, your not going to be able to export anything or make any available shares. type 'license' on the console to see Mike On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Istwany, Basil Said: > We have just received in donation a couple of FC9 shelves. > > I found a F720 on ebay for cheap and now I am attempting to start the things. > > I have got the units attached via the FC cable and booted to the 2 floppy disks provided but I can not seem to attach to the hidden share from my windows PC or mount the file system from a linux box. Am I missing something vital. > > I have also received all sorts of documentation that appears to be no help. > > thanks in advance, > Basil Istwany > -- Mike Cutler - mikec(a)pdi.com PDI/Dreamworks Animation Technology

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