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RE: Maximum throughput of a FAS270c
by Glenn Walker 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Yup... Pretty capable machine for 500 users or so. Depends on workload, as Blake said, it's OPS\CPU limited. 940 is a beast by comparison - probably about 2-2.5 times as fast. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Blake Golliher [mailto:thelastman@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:44 PM To: John Stoffel Cc: Grey Friday; Glenn Walker; Brian Pascal; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Maximum throughput of a FAS270c I'd say an F840 (I think that's what Glenn was suggesting). The 270 is an op limited machine. Dual core 650Mhz processor, and a gig of ram (subtract 256 for NVMEM) and you get a pretty limited box in terms of performance. A 940 has a 1.8 ghz proc 4 or so gigs of memory, and a dedicated nvram card. Much better performance box. But a 270 wasn't marketed as a very fast box, but a very small, cheap box for small & remote offices. -Blake On 10/4/06, John Stoffel <john.stoffel(a)taec.toshiba.com> wrote: > >>>>> "Grey" == Grey Friday <grey.friday(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Grey> http://www.spec.org/sfs97r1/results/res2004q2/sfs97r1-20040525-00186.htm l > Grey> On 10/3/06, Glenn Walker <ggwalker(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > Grey> Brian, > >> > >> Those numbers are deemed NetApp Internal Only - though I believe that > >> Sales can share some info with you. > >> > >> However this might help: a FAS270c is equivalent to a NetApp F840 > >> system with respect to throughputhorsepower. Maybe just a tad faster > >> even. > > Glenn, > > Just to be sure, you're talking about an F840 is roughtly equivilent > to an FAS270, right? Not an F940? > > John > PM disk. This is also assuming a 10ms latency for each iop. And subtract 2 disks per raid group for raid dp (if doing writes, don't if you are doing pure reads). So with around 50 disks (after you subtract the raid dp overhead) you can expect around 5500 iops from that set of disks (assuming 10k rpm disks). For the 112 aggregate, you an expect 98 spindles and 10780 iops. I'm assuming 4k iops, and 10ms latency. Hope that helps, -Blake On 10/4/06, Suresh Rajagopalan <SRajagopalan(a)williamoneil.com> wrote: > Given a disk IOPS of 100, I'd like to estimate total aggregate IOPS for > the following cases: > > 1) 56 disks, 1 aggregate, RAID-DP size 16 > 2) 112 disks, 1 aggregate, RAID-DP size 16 > > I'm only interested in the total raw disk IOPS available in each case, > not including considering the filer head. For example, we know that > RAID-0 with 56 disks @100 would yield 5600 IOPS. > > I don't know how to do this calculation with Data ONTAP's implementation > of RAID4 or RAID-DP. > > Any assistance would help. > > Thanks > Suresh > > > > >

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RE: Estimating Aggregate IOPS
by Suresh Rajagopalan 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Let's assume 4k IOPS. Disks are currently 10k rpm. Are you saying that NTAP's implementation of RAID4 (or RAID-DP) gives a linear performance increase with spindles, (almost like RAID-0) and no penalty for the RAID4 or RAID-DP? That is, aggregate IOPS is pretty much (N * disk-iops) and no penalty for RAID4 or RAID-DP? Thanks Suresh -----Original Message----- From: Blake Golliher [mailto:thelastman@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:41 PM To: Suresh Rajagopalan Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Estimating Aggregate IOPS How fast are the spindles, and what size is your iop? Generally, you can assume 110 per 10k RPM disk, and 180 for 15k RPM disk. This is also assuming a 10ms latency for each iop. And subtract 2 disks per raid group for raid dp (if doing writes, don't if you are doing pure reads). So with around 50 disks (after you subtract the raid dp overhead) you can expect around 5500 iops from that set of disks (assuming 10k rpm disks). For the 112 aggregate, you an expect 98 spindles and 10780 iops. I'm assuming 4k iops, and 10ms latency. Hope that helps, -Blake On 10/4/06, Suresh Rajagopalan <SRajagopalan(a)williamoneil.com> wrote: > Given a disk IOPS of 100, I'd like to estimate total aggregate IOPS for > the following cases: > > 1) 56 disks, 1 aggregate, RAID-DP size 16 > 2) 112 disks, 1 aggregate, RAID-DP size 16 > > I'm only interested in the total raw disk IOPS available in each case, > not including considering the filer head. For example, we know that > RAID-0 with 56 disks @100 would yield 5600 IOPS. > > I don't know how to do this calculation with Data ONTAP's implementation > of RAID4 or RAID-DP. > > Any assistance would help. > > Thanks > Suresh > > > > >

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RE: Maximum throughput of a FAS270c
by Glenn Walker 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Brian, Those numbers are deemed NetApp Internal Only - though I believe that Sales can share some info with you. However this might help: a FAS270c is equivalent to a NetApp F840 system with respect to throughput\horsepower. Maybe just a tad faster even. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Pascal Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:37 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Maximum throughput of a FAS270c Does any one has an idea of what is the maximum throughput of a FAS270c system? (Sustained system bandwidth & IOPS) Thanks, Brian. This Mail Has Been Scanned For Virus By Scanmail For Lotus Notes Enterprise/Kbsl

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Estimating Aggregate IOPS
by Suresh Rajagopalan 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Given a disk IOPS of 100, I'd like to estimate total aggregate IOPS for the following cases: 1) 56 disks, 1 aggregate, RAID-DP size 16 2) 112 disks, 1 aggregate, RAID-DP size 16 I'm only interested in the total raw disk IOPS available in each case, not including considering the filer head. For example, we know that RAID-0 with 56 disks @100 would yield 5600 IOPS. I don't know how to do this calculation with Data ONTAP's implementation of RAID4 or RAID-DP. Any assistance would help. Thanks Suresh

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Maximum throughput of a FAS270c
by Brian Pascal 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Does any one has an idea of what is the maximum throughput of a FAS270c system? (Sustained system bandwidth & IOPS) Thanks, Brian. This Mail Has Been Scanned For Virus By Scanmail For Lotus Notes Enterprise/Kbsl

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RE: Response time measurement
by Willeke, Jochen 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

Hi, its me again thinking about measurement of response time. I have a new idea and just wanted to hear from you what you think about it. I am running a dd with a bs of 8k/4k against a fileserver for a couple of minutes and during different daytimes. While the dd is running i do capture the networkstream and create a statistic for NFSv3-ops tetherreal -i eth0 -z rpc,100003,3 This gives me an overview of the RTT's during this run of dd. What do you think about this method? I can use sio as well for generating random IO but the method will remain the same. Best Regards and thanks in advance for any opinions on that Jochen ________________________________ From: Miller, James [mailto:James.Miller@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:27 PM To: Willeke, Jochen Subject: Re: Response time measurement Isn't it 8.72ms or .00872secs ... Jim Miller sent from blackberry -----Original Message----- From: Willeke, Jochen <Jochen.Willeke(a)wincor-nixdorf.com> To: NetApp Toasters List <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Sep 22 08:13:05 2006 Subject: Response time measurement Hi folks, i am still thinking about some figures which help me considering different fileservers. After doing some research i think one point is the response time given by the system. I did a lot of testing with sio and but the results i got are some kind of strange. A test with SIO e.g. brings following result: ./sio_ntap_linux 100 0 8k 100m 10 1 /mnt/test15 Version: 3.00 SIO_NTAP: Inputs Read %: 100 Random %: 0 Block Size: 8192 File Size: 104857600 Secs: 10 Threads: 1 File(s): /mnt/test15 Outputs IOPS: 114578 KB/s: 916626 IOs: 1145782 Terminating threads ...Killed First there are the KB/S. Much to fast even for a 1Gbit network. And the second is the response time. I calculated the following: 1s / 114578 (IOPS) = 0,00872 ms (response time) This cannot be true at all :-) Does SIO read the same block all the time (due to 0%random read), or do i have any kind of mistake in my test?!? Perhaps someone can help. Best Regards and a nice weekend Jochen

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RE: Can we use clearcase with FAS6xxx Ontap 7.2?
by Glenn Walker 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

SW, if 7.1.x is supported with Clearcase, then I'm sure 7.2 is as well. It just hasn't been officially 'tested'. That said, while 7.2 has some major feature enhancements, ONTAP still functions pretty much the same with respect to client connectivity for all protocols. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of G SW Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:22 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Can we use clearcase with FAS6xxx Ontap 7.2? Halo.. We are using FAS960 with Clearcase, thinking of upgrading to FAS6xxx series, but get to know that 7.2 is the only version supported on FAS6xxx series, but currently Clearcase supported version is on 7.1.x latest. Appreciate feedback on FAS6xxx with clearcase.. BR SW

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Can we use clearcase with FAS6xxx Ontap 7.2?
by G SW 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Halo.. We are using FAS960 with Clearcase, thinking of upgrading to FAS6xxx series, but get to know that 7.2 is the only version supported on FAS6xxx series, but currently Clearcase supported version is on 7.1.x latest. Appreciate feedback on FAS6xxx with clearcase.. BR SW

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Troubleshooting http access
by JacekN 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

I would like to restrict access to files accessed via http. I am using DOT 7.2. First I configured standard http services - everything is running smoothly. My settings: httpd.access legacy httpd.admin.access legacy httpd.admin.enable off httpd.admin.hostsequiv.enable off httpd.admin.max_connections 1023 httpd.admin.ssl.enable on httpd.autoindex.enable off httpd.enable on httpd.log.format common httpd.method.trace.enable off httpd.rootdir /vol/docs httpd.timeout 300 httpd.timewait.enable off /vol/docs is dedicated for http access FlexVol with ntfs access rights filer is configured also for CIFS in workgroup mode). Now I try to limit access to the services - one dedicated user and standard authentication is enough. In accordance to documentation I have prepared the following files: /etc/httpd.passwd psuser:_J9..PYJ.MWfkaOhMiFc /etc/httpd.group psgroup:psuser /etc/httpd.access <Directory /vol/docs/> AuthName Dokumentacja PS <Limit GET> require user psuser </Limit> </Directory> <Directory /vol/docs/telco> AuthName Dokumentacja PS <Limit GET> require user psuser </Limit> </Directory> But it does not work: anyone can access the files without any authentication. What am I missing? How can I troubleshoot http access? (httpd.log file does not contain anything helpful). Best regards, Jacek --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0638-0, 2006-09-19 Tested on: 2006-09-19 23:18:41 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

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RE: Mixed disk sizes within a single aggregate
by Fox, Adam 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

The -g option works when an RG already exists and you want to back-fill it. It doesn't create a new RG. To create a new RG, reduce the RG size and add drives, then up it to what you want. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: George, Andrew [mailto:georgea@anz.com] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:02 PM To: Sto RageC ; Brosseau, Paul Cc: Jeff Mery; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Mixed disk sizes within a single aggregate That should work, I'd be more inclined to go aggr add aggr0 -g rg2 -d <disk list> (Then again, I've always been distrustful of adding disks without naming them explicitly) -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Sto Rage(c) Sent: Saturday, 23 September 2006 2:53 AM To: Brosseau, Paul Cc: Jeff Mery; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Mixed disk sizes within a single aggregate On 9/20/06, Brosseau, Paul <Paul.Brosseau(a)netapp.com> wrote: > > > Mixing disk sizes in an aggregate is not a problem as long as you > create RAID groups for each kind of disk. WAFL creates stripes at the > RAID group level. For best results create complete RAID groups each > time you add disks to an aggregate. > > Paulb Paul and others, Is there way to force an aggregate to start a new RAID group when an existing RAID group is not completely full. Here's a situation FAS270 with 2 shelves with 144GB FC drives. RG size is set to 16 for a single aggregate with 26 disks (2 spares). This resulted in 2 RAID groups, 1 with 16 disks and the other with 10. Now we plan to add a 3rd shelf with 300GB FC drives. If we do the regular "aggr add" it will first add the 2 spare 144GB drives, then add 4 new 300GB drives by right sizing them to match the 144GB ones. In order to maximize the capacity on this aggregate, I'd prefer to add 12 of the new drives to a new RAID group but within the same aggregate. Is something like this possible? Haven't tried this as we don't have the new shelf yet, but can I reduce the raidsize option for the aggregate from 16 to 12, then add the 2 existing spares such that that the 2nd raid-group is now full based on raidsize=12 option. Now add the new shelf and run "aggr add aggr0 12" to add 12 new 300GB drive leaving 2 spares? RAID group /aggr0/plex0/rg0 - 16 disks (144GB each) RAID group /aggr0/plex0/rg1 - 12 disks (144GB each) <-- add the existing 2 spares RAID group /aggr0/plex0/rg2 - 12 disks (300GB each) Spares - two new 300GB drives. I think it would work, any comments? -G "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

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