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EMC Networker, NetApp CIFS shares
by Andrew Laurence 28 Sep '11

28 Sep '11

Hi all, We're starting to provide CIFS service out of a FAS2040, and we want to establish conventional backups with our existing EMC Networker setup, or our other NetBackup setup. If we use NDMP, is the folder/permissions data in the CIFS volume sucked across, with valid integrity, in the NDMP backups? Our Networker servers are based on Linux. Can Networker attach to the CIFS share directly, and haul across the backups? (Maintaining share/security data per above.) Otherwise, does the Networker/Windows client back up mount points? We could mount the CIFS shares inside a Windows VM, and run the Networker client there, right? Thanks for the help! -Andrew -- Andrew Laurence atlauren(a)uci.edu

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Dir size
by Kennedy, Jeffrey 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

drwxrwsr-x 7 owner group 4096 Sep 7 12:39 ./ drwxrwsr-x 4 owner group 4096 Sep 7 10:14 ../ drwxrwsr-x 2 owner group 4096 Sep 7 10:54 dir1/ drwxrwsr-x 2 owner group 335544320 Sep 26 00:30 dir_getsome/ drwxrwsr-x 2 owner group 4096 Sep 7 12:43 dir3/ drwxrwsr-x 4 owner group 4096 Sep 7 10:25 dir4/ drwxrwsr-x 2 owner group 4096 Sep 23 18:12 dir5/ dir_getsome is larger than anything I've ever seen. I did a du on the directory and there is about 15GB of data with just over 3.8M files. I suspect this is a sub-optimal ratio but is it so bad that the metadata for the directory needs to be so large? Jeff Kennedy Qualcomm, Incorporated QCT Engineering Compute 858-651-6592

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RE: Oracle and VMware Datastores
by Page, Jeremy 25 Sep '11

25 Sep '11

If you are concerned about ease of mgmt I would go with NFS ass Jeff recommended, its as easy as VMDK files with out the overhead and additional points of failure (well, assuming IP storage at all). Jeremy Page Andrew Hancock <andrew.hancock(a)cyrus-consultants.co.uk> wrote: I thought I would chip in here, often we use VMDKs for ease, and "we are told" to use RDM for performance. My advice would be to test yourself and benchmark, using IOMeter etc, but also have a read of this article. RDM versus VMDK performance Conclusion: VMFS and RDM have similar performance. Don't choose RDM for performance. Source:http://www.vfrank.org/2011/03/22/performance-rdm-vs-vmfs/ Andrew From: toasters-bounces(a)teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Steiner, Jeffrey Sent: 23 September 2011 15:14 To: Bill Holland; toasters(a)teaparty.net Subject: RE: Oracle and VMware Datastores I would strongly discourage placing an Oracle database on a VMDK unless it's very small and has very low IO. It might work for you, but the sort of random write IO that happens on an Oracle database doesn't do especially well through a VMDK. In 5 years, I've only had one customer go forward with Oracle on a VMDK and I'm still trying to talk them out of it. NFS mounts right to the guests, iSCSI mounts right to the guest, or an FC RDM will give you much better performance, efficiency, and administrative flexibility. From: Bill Holland [mailto:hollandwl@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 2:41 PM To: toasters(a)teaparty.net Subject: Re: Oracle and VMware Datastores 1. Be aware that Oracle's official position is that they do not support Oracle in a virtualized environment beyond the operating system. If there is a problem and you need Oracle's support, they may very well tell you to put it on a physical server before they will support you. 2. Whether you use VMDK's, NFS, or LUNs is going to depend a lot on which OS Oracle is running on and how you plan to protect the data. Also, which version of Oracle you are running. For instance if you are running Oracle 10g in a Windows environment then NFS is out of the question. If running 11g in the same environment, then one could use Direct NFS with Oracle. In a Windows environment Snapdrive for Windows 6.3 has no issue with taking snapshots of LUNs or NFS volumes, prior versions could not deal with NFS so you had to use LUNs if you wanted to use Snapdrive for Windows to handle taking snapshots of your databases. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:49 AM, <Tommy.Fallsen(a)kongsberg.com> wrote: Hi Im setting a new Oracle Database solution to replace a old Oracle RAC on EVA8400. After reading Oracle Databases on VMware vSphere 4 - Essential Deployment Tips i got a few question still needs answered. Our new storage is a FAS 3240 7-Mode We have a SATA and SAS aggregate and 1TB Flash cache available. SAS 1 Raid Group (16 disks) SATA 4 Raid Group (56 disks) Whats the recommendations for Datastores and VMDK's? >From i can gather i need to create a volume dedicated to Oracle and present(NFS) it as Datastore for Oracle only. And create VMDK's like this: VMDK-1 OS from another Datastore Oracle Datastore VMDK-2 Oracle Binaries VMDK-3 Oracle data VMDK-4 Oracle Redo VMDK-5 Oracle Archivelogs I have 5 databases so 5 VM's where i create a volume with Datastore for each? Would like input from the list how others have done it. - Tommy Fallsen SA/DBA Grunt _____ CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachment contain KONGSBERG information which may be proprietary, confidential or subject to export regulations, and is only meant for the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use is prohibited, if not otherwise explicitly agreed with KONGSBERG. If received in error, please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender properly. _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters(a)teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters Please be advised that this email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us by email by replying to the sender and delete this message. The sender disclaims that the content of this email constitutes an offer to enter into, or the acceptance of, any agreement; provided that the foregoing does not invalidate the binding effect of any digital or other electronic reproduction of a manual signature that is included in any attachment.

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Re: Oracle and VMware Datastores
by Bill Holland 24 Sep '11

24 Sep '11

1. Be aware that Oracle's official position is that they do not support Oracle in a virtualized environment beyond the operating system. If there is a problem and you need Oracle's support, they may very well tell you to put it on a physical server before they will support you. 2. Whether you use VMDK's, NFS, or LUNs is going to depend a lot on which OS Oracle is running on and how you plan to protect the data. Also, which version of Oracle you are running. For instance if you are running Oracle 10g in a Windows environment then NFS is out of the question. If running 11g in the same environment, then one could use Direct NFS with Oracle. In a Windows environment Snapdrive for Windows 6.3 has no issue with taking snapshots of LUNs or NFS volumes, prior versions could not deal with NFS so you had to use LUNs if you wanted to use Snapdrive for Windows to handle taking snapshots of your databases. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:49 AM, <Tommy.Fallsen(a)kongsberg.com> wrote: > Hi > > Im setting a new Oracle Database solution to replace a old Oracle RAC on > EVA8400. > > After reading Oracle Databases on VMware vSphere 4 - Essential Deployment > Tips i got a few question still needs answered. > > Our new storage is a FAS 3240 7-Mode > > We have a SATA and SAS aggregate and 1TB Flash cache available. > > SAS 1 Raid Group (16 disks) > > SATA 4 Raid Group (56 disks) > > > > > > > > Whats the recommendations for Datastores and VMDK's? > > From i can gather i need to create a volume dedicated to Oracle and > present(NFS) it as Datastore for Oracle only. > > And create VMDK's like this: > > > > VMDK-1 OS from another Datastore > > > > Oracle Datastore > > VMDK-2 Oracle Binaries > VMDK-3 Oracle data > VMDK-4 Oracle Redo > VMDK-5 Oracle Archivelogs > > > > I have 5 databases so 5 VM's where i create a volume with Datastore for > each? > > > > Would like input from the list how others have done it. > > > > - Tommy Fallsen > > SA/DBA Grunt > > > > ------------------------------ > > CONFIDENTIALITY > This e-mail and any attachment contain KONGSBERG information which may be > proprietary, confidential or subject to export regulations, and is only > meant for the intended recipient(s). Any disclosure, copying, distribution > or use is prohibited, if not otherwise explicitly agreed with KONGSBERG. If > received in error, please delete it immediately from your system and notify > the sender properly. > > _______________________________________________ > Toasters mailing list > Toasters(a)teaparty.net > http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters > >

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Theoretical mixing of disks
by Nick Bernstein 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Hi all, I know the DS2246 supports both SSDs and SAS drives, and I know this is not recommended, but for the purposes of answering a hypothetical question posed to me, is it technically possible to mix ssds and sas drives in the same shelf? Thanks in advance, Nick

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8.0.2p1
by Salisbury, Charles 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Has this and the 8.0.2p2 release been pulled from the now site? Has anyone ran into any big bugs with this release? We are having oddities with the cluster interconnects. Charles Salisbury LAN Services Administrator Gentex Corporation 616-772-1800 x5090 charles.salisbury(a)gentex.com <mailto:charles.salisbury@gentex.com>

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Flash Cache statistics question: Invalidate vs Evict?
by Robert McDermott 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

I'm trying to analyze the performance of a Flash Cache (PAMII) module and can't seem to find a detailed definition of the "inval" and "evict" metrics. All the documentation simply states the obvious with the very unhelpful "blocks evicted/invalidated from cache per second". Both eviction and invalidation are removal of blocks from the cache, but what I want to know is why are they removed. Essentially what causes an eviction verses an invalidation? Is a block "evicted" because it was never used and a timer expired? Is a block "invalidated" when the cache is full and a useful block is thrown out to make room for a new block? Thanks, -Robert >stats show -p flexscale-access Cache Reads Writes Disk Reads Usage Hit Meta Miss Hit Evict Inval Insert Chain Blocks Chain Blocks Replaced % /s /s /s % /s /s /s /s /s /s /s /s 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Here are the definitions for those counters: Cache Usage: How much data is currently stored in the module(s) Hit: The 4kB disk block cache hit per second Meta: The 4kB metadata disk block cache hit per second Miss: The 4kB disk block cache missed per second Hit %: The percentage of total hit/miss Evict: The 4kB disk blocks evicted from the cache per second Inval: The 4kB disk blocks invalidated from the cache per second Insert: The 4kB disk blocks inserted into the cache per second Reads Chain: The number of read I/O chains per second Reads Blocks: The number of 4kB disk blocks read per second Writes Chain: The number of write I/O chains per second Writes Blocks: The number of 4kB disk blocks written per second Disk Reads Replaced: The number of reads that would have gone to disk that were replaced by the cache per second

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free Netapp hardware in Amsterdam
by Bert Kiers 14 Sep '11

14 Sep '11

Hi, We have 9 DS14 Mk2 shelves with PSU, with ESH, without disks to go to a good new home. Includes some inter-shelf cables and some fibre ESHs. These worked fine when decommissioned, but no guarantees. This stuff is to be picked up in Amsterdam (NL). Grtnx, -- Bert Kiers XS4ALL UNIX systeembeheerder, suspected terrorist 1984 was not meant as a manual

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how to set options.raid.timeout in ontap 6.5 to avoid filer reboot
by Luca Domenella 13 Sep '11

13 Sep '11

Hi guys, i have a very old f840 without maintenance. I have the nvram battery broken. So in this case the parameter raid.timeout will stop the filer after the setted hours value. I have dataontap 6.5 There is a way to disable/avoid the filer reboot ? setting the value to 0 stop the filer immediately. There an infinite value to disable the halt ? Best regards, Luca Domenella T: +39 0698962316 E: <mailto:luca.domenella@bwinparty.com> luca.domenella(a)bwinparty.com bwin Italia Via Adolfo Ravà, 124 00142 Roma (RM) <http://www.bwinparty.com/> www.bwinparty.com This email and any attachments are confidential, and may be legally privileged and protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient dissemination or copying of this email is prohibited. If you have received this in error, please notify the sender by replying by email and then delete the email completely from your system. Any views or opinions are solely those of the sender. This communication is not intended to form a binding contract unless expressly indicated to the contrary and properly authorised. Any actions taken on the basis of this email are at the recipient's own risk.

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Trouble booting an F740
by Tim Longo 12 Sep '11

12 Sep '11

An F740 that has been powered off for over a year has some data I would like to recover. The system boots, but complains about low nvram batteries, and halts. Is there a way I can bypass this shutdown to copy some things off? Fri Sep 9 16:30:53 EDT [mgr.boot.reason_ok:notice]: System rebooted after an internal halt. Fri Sep 9 16:30:53 EDT [kern.shutdown:notice]: System shut down because : "NVRAM Batteries critically low ". Fri Sep 9 16:30:53 EDT [statd:error]: The batteries on the NVRAM board are dangerously low. Replace both batteries immediately! Fri Sep 9 16:30:53 EDT [monitor.nvramLowBatteries:CRITICAL]: NVRAM batteries are dangerously low. Fri Sep 9 16:30:53 EDT [monitor.nvramLowBatteries.notice:notice]: If the NVRAM batteries are dangerously low, the system shuts down automatically every 0 hours to encourage you to replace them. If you reboot the system it will run for another 0 hours before shutting down. (The 0 hour timeout may be increased by altering the "raid.timeout" value using the "options" command.) CIFS local server is running. Password: ok

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