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Implementing User and Group Quotas
by Daniel Oxenhandler 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

Friends, We have an F-740 with 14 - 18GB drives (2 hot spares) configured as one large volume. OnTap version 5.3.4R2. Security style is mixed. Currently it is being used by mostly UNIX users, with some Windows users, for Home directories and Project directories. There are only about 15 total active users on the Filer currently. The plan is to move the home directories for the remaining 60 or so mostly Windows users onto the Filer. We would like to implement quotas on the Home directories, e.g. 150MB per user. At the same time, we would like to implement quotas on the Project directories -- my thinking is we would do this via a group quota, e.g. 5GB for Group A, 15GB for Group B, etc. My questions are as follows: 1. Will we need to create separate volumes for Home dir's and Projects, so that the quotas will work as we intend (e.g. a user can own files in his Project directory without it counting against his User quota) -- or can we get away with qtrees? My suspicion is that we will need to start from scratch and create at least two volumes to do this. 2. Suggestions for the best strategy to accomplish this, maintaining all CIFS & NFS metadata? We are currently dumping the filer as one big volume to DLT (<35GB). Does the filer's dump command support dump from a directory, so that we could restore to our new volumes or qtrees? Any other strategies? Thanks in advance! Daniel Oxenhandler Network Engineer Sprint Laboratories 650-375-4281

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weirdness with our Netapp F760 and DLT tape drive
by Rob Worman 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

We have a Netapp filer (F760) that we are trying to back up (with Veritas Netbackup, but that's not really relevant to this question) by way of a directly-connected DLT 7000 tape drive in a StorageTek 9740 tape library. We aren't trying to get the netapp to manage the robotic tape handling, we just want to write to the tape that's been manually loaded into the drive. To keep things simple, we are currently bypassing Netbackup and just running the Netapp native dump command. Whenever we do so, we see the following: ********* netapp output below ************** stpnas01> dump 0f nrst0a /vol/vol0 DUMP: Dumping tape file 1 on nrst0a DUMP: creating "/vol/vol0/../snapshot_for_backup.6" snapshot. DUMP: Using Full Volume Dump DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Tue Jun 27 14:48:14 2000. DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch. DUMP: Dumping /vol/vol0/ to nrst0a DUMP: mapping (Pass I)[regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II)[directories] DUMP: Tape write failed. DUMP: DUMP IS ABORTED DUMP: Deleting "/vol/vol0/../snapshot_for_backup.6" snapshot. ******** netapp output above *************** The kicker here is that if we disconnect the SCSI cable from the STK drive and instead hook it up to the DLT 7k drive in a SUN L280, the same backup finishes with no problems everytime. So we know that NDMP and the Netapp's SCSI card are okay. We have tried different tapes/drives in the STK library, with identical results. These STK drives are known to be functional, as they have been previously connected to our Solaris backup server with no problems. We've been trying this with DLT drives that are alone on the SCSI bus, with non-conflicting ID's and firmly seated connectors and terminators. :) We toyed with the idea that maybe the Netapp is talking single-ended SCSI and since we know the STK drive is differential SCSI... but sysconfig (and the Netapp product docs) verify that this filer is talking differential SCSI. (and we are quite sure that the STK drives are also differential) Any suggestions as to what's going on here? TiA rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: weirdness with our Netapp F760 and DLT tape drive
by Eyal Traitel 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

Rob, Maybe irrlevant, but anyway - Have you controlled the tape library using "ndmputil" or Veritas's robot-handling utility (forgot its name) ? From what I know, you need to manually use these utilities to choose tape and load it to correct drive. Eyal. --- Rob Worman <rworman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > We have a Netapp filer (F760) that we are trying to > back up (with Veritas Netbackup, but that's not > really > relevant to this question) by way of a > directly-connected DLT 7000 tape drive in a > StorageTek > 9740 tape > library. > > We aren't trying to get the netapp to manage the > robotic tape handling, we just want to write to the > tape that's been manually loaded into the drive. To > keep things simple, we are currently bypassing > Netbackup and just running the Netapp native dump > command. Whenever we do so, we see the following: > > ********* netapp output below ************** > stpnas01> dump 0f nrst0a /vol/vol0 > DUMP: Dumping tape file 1 on nrst0a > DUMP: creating > "/vol/vol0/../snapshot_for_backup.6" > snapshot. > DUMP: Using Full Volume Dump > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Tue Jun 27 > 14:48:14 2000. > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch. > DUMP: Dumping /vol/vol0/ to nrst0a > DUMP: mapping (Pass I)[regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II)[directories] > DUMP: Tape write failed. > DUMP: DUMP IS ABORTED > DUMP: Deleting > "/vol/vol0/../snapshot_for_backup.6" > snapshot. > ******** netapp output above *************** > > The kicker here is that if we disconnect the SCSI > cable from the STK drive and instead hook it up to > the > DLT 7k drive in a SUN L280, the same backup finishes > with no problems everytime. So we know that NDMP > and > the Netapp's SCSI card are okay. > > We have tried different tapes/drives in the STK > library, with identical results. These STK drives > are > known to be functional, as they have been previously > connected to our Solaris backup server with no > problems. > We've been trying this with DLT drives that are > alone > on the SCSI bus, with non-conflicting ID's and > firmly > seated connectors and terminators. :) > > We toyed with the idea that maybe the Netapp is > talking single-ended SCSI and since we know the STK > drive is differential SCSI... but sysconfig (and the > Netapp product docs) verify that this filer is > talking > > differential SCSI. (and we are quite sure that the > STK drives are also differential) > > Any suggestions as to what's going on here? > > TiA > rob > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: Legato & Veritas questions
by Brian Hostetter 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

I am currently evaluating 3 different ndmp backup products. I expect to pick one in about 2 weeks. So far I have been most impressed with Time Navigator by Quadratec Software. I have 2 760's and a Qualstar 4000 Series AIT2 loader. The nice thing is that my 760's are not going to be in production till our fiber switch arrives which is slated for Aug 1, which gives me a nice little test environment. I will post any findings to the list. I encourage anyone else that has exp with any ndmp backups to chime in, and help us find a good solution. --Brian <<< Jay Orr <orrjl(a)stl.nexen.com> 6/23 11:33a >>> Since we're looking at different backup solutions, wondering if I could pick the group's respective brains... First, for non NDMP backup, is there special client packs required for either (and is netapp dump supported)? I'm going through Sun since they sell both and they were unaware of any. Second, any thing to be aware/careful about with either backup solution? Third, any problems with ClearCase and either package? Much thanks! ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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AIT2 50G tapes
by Brian Hostetter 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

I just installed a Qualstar 4660 AIT2 changer with the new 50G native tapes. However my filer only has options for AIT1 25G tapes and AIT2 36G tapes. They are the same basic tape, just a shorter length. Anyone used the 50G tapes yet? --Brian

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RE: Implementing User and Group Quotas
by mark.muhlestein＠netapp.com 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

A couple of things to be aware of: * You can't convert an existing directory to a qtree so you might have to move some things around. * Make sure your NT users are mapping to distinct UNIX users. By default, if there is no UNIX user corresponding to an NT user those users are mapped to "pcuser". That's not what you want because all NT users will have the same quota since quotas are currently only allowed for UNIX security objects. You can test the mappings using the "wcc" filer console command. Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mohler,Anissa > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:50 AM > To: daniel(a)sprintlabs.com > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: Implementing User and Group Quotas > > > Daniel... two brief answers to your questions. > > #1. You do not have to start from scratch and create two > volumes. You can create > the quotas you want using qtrees. In fact for maximum > performance you would be > best off with the one larger volume than two smaller ones given the > configuration you described. > > #2. The filer's native dump command works for directories > (qtrees) as well as > entire volumes. Just remember when you go to restore a qtree > you will need to > create the qtree first, then run the restore. > > The Data ONTAP System Administrator's Guide and the NOW site > both have more > detailed information on configuring qtrees and running > dump/restore. I'm sure > the other toaster users here can offer great information > about what is working > (or not working) for them. > > :-----Original Message----- > :From: Daniel Oxenhandler [mailto:daniel@sprintlabs.com] > :Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:14 AM > :To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > :Subject: Implementing User and Group Quotas > : > : > :Friends, > : > :We have an F-740 with 14 - 18GB drives (2 hot spares) > configured as one > :large volume. OnTap version 5.3.4R2. Security style is > :mixed. Currently it is being used by mostly UNIX users, > with some Windows > :users, for Home directories and Project directories. There > are only about 15 > :total active users on the Filer currently. The plan is to > move the home > :directories for the remaining 60 or so mostly Windows users > onto the Filer. > : > :We would like to implement quotas on the Home directories, > :e.g. 150MB per user. At the same time, we would like to > implement quotas on > :the Project directories -- my thinking is we would do this > via a group > :quota, e.g. 5GB for Group A, 15GB for Group B, etc. > : > :My questions are as follows: > : > :1. Will we need to create separate volumes for Home dir's and > :Projects, so that the quotas will work as we intend (e.g. a > user can own > :files in his Project directory without it counting against > his User quota) > :-- or can we get away with qtrees? My suspicion is that we > will need to start > from > :scratch and create at least two volumes to do this. > : > :2. Suggestions for the best strategy to accomplish this, > :maintaining all CIFS & NFS metadata? We are currently > dumping the filer as > :one big volume to DLT (<35GB). Does the filer's dump > command support dump from > a > :directory, so that we could restore to our new volumes or > qtrees? Any other > :strategies? > : > :Thanks in advance! > : > :Daniel Oxenhandler > :Network Engineer > :Sprint Laboratories > :650-375-4281 >

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RE: Implementing User and Group Quotas
by Anissa.Mohler＠netapp.com 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

Daniel... two brief answers to your questions. #1. You do not have to start from scratch and create two volumes. You can create the quotas you want using qtrees. In fact for maximum performance you would be best off with the one larger volume than two smaller ones given the configuration you described. #2. The filer's native dump command works for directories (qtrees) as well as entire volumes. Just remember when you go to restore a qtree you will need to create the qtree first, then run the restore. The Data ONTAP System Administrator's Guide and the NOW site both have more detailed information on configuring qtrees and running dump/restore. I'm sure the other toaster users here can offer great information about what is working (or not working) for them. :-----Original Message----- :From: Daniel Oxenhandler [mailto:daniel@sprintlabs.com] :Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:14 AM :To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' :Subject: Implementing User and Group Quotas : : :Friends, : :We have an F-740 with 14 - 18GB drives (2 hot spares) configured as one :large volume. OnTap version 5.3.4R2. Security style is :mixed. Currently it is being used by mostly UNIX users, with some Windows :users, for Home directories and Project directories. There are only about 15 :total active users on the Filer currently. The plan is to move the home :directories for the remaining 60 or so mostly Windows users onto the Filer. : :We would like to implement quotas on the Home directories, :e.g. 150MB per user. At the same time, we would like to implement quotas on :the Project directories -- my thinking is we would do this via a group :quota, e.g. 5GB for Group A, 15GB for Group B, etc. : :My questions are as follows: : :1. Will we need to create separate volumes for Home dir's and :Projects, so that the quotas will work as we intend (e.g. a user can own :files in his Project directory without it counting against his User quota) :-- or can we get away with qtrees? My suspicion is that we will need to start from :scratch and create at least two volumes to do this. : :2. Suggestions for the best strategy to accomplish this, :maintaining all CIFS & NFS metadata? We are currently dumping the filer as :one big volume to DLT (<35GB). Does the filer's dump command support dump from a :directory, so that we could restore to our new volumes or qtrees? Any other :strategies? : :Thanks in advance! : :Daniel Oxenhandler :Network Engineer :Sprint Laboratories :650-375-4281

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Re: Toasters
by Eyal Traitel 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

Send a message to majordomo(a)mathworks.com with a body of "subscribe toasters" or "help" to get help on majordomo. Can someone from Mathworks add to every email of the mailing list some line about it ? In cramsession.com they do it, and it's very nice... Eyal. --- Robby Pedrica <robby(a)ct.cash.co.za> wrote: > Dear Toasters, > > Is it possible you could send me info on how to join > the Toasters newsgroup ... > > Regards > > Robby Pedrica > Support Consultant > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Maxtec --- OWS --- CAD/CAM > 10 Warbler Close, Montague Gardens > Cape Town, South Africa, 7441 > > Tel: +27 21 555 1402 > Fax: +27 21 555 1404 > ----------------------------------- > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Pedrica;Robby > FN:Robby Pedrica > ORG:Maxtec | OWS | CAD/CAM;ESS > TITLE:Support Consultant > NOTE;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:--- Network Appliance > ---=0D=0A--- Cobalt ---=0D=0A--- Alteon ---=0D=0A--- > C= > ycle --- > TEL;WORK;VOICE:+27 8241 68696 > TEL;WORK;FAX:+27 21 5551404 > ADR;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;+27 21 > 5551402;10 Warbler Close=0D=0AMontague Gardens;Cape > Town;;;South Afr= > ica > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:+27 21 > 5551402=0D=0A10 Warbler Close=0D=0AMontague > Gardens=0D=0ACape Town= > =0D=0ASouth Africa > ADR;HOME:;;;Cape Town;;7441;South Africa > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Cape Town > 7441=0D=0ASouth Africa > X-WAB-GENDER:2 > URL: > URL:http://www.maxtec.co.za/ > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:robby@ct.cash.co.za > REV:20000626T143811Z > END:VCARD > ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: PCNFS file/directory permission.
by Adam.Fox＠netapp.com 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

There is probably a way to do it via PC-NFS, but you can also use a free NT tool from NetApp called SecureShare Access. It's a dll that is used by things like Windows Explorer. It's a tab like the security tab for windows. Give it a try if you like. http://now.netapp.com/NOW/tools/supported.shtml It's near the bottom. Don't confuse it with the Account Migrator, you want the SecureShare Access. I use it all the time! -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Cheng [mailto:amy.cheng@motorola.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:29 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: PCNFS file/directory permission. > > > Hi forks, > > I have known how to export filer to PC with PCNFS software, would you > please tell me how to control unix file permission under > NT environment? > > Thanks > > Amy >

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RE: Toasters
by Brassart, Alain 27 Jun '00

27 Jun '00

Please remove immediately my mane from this mailing list. This is a violation to create mailing list without green light of the person concerned -----Original Message----- From: Eyal Traitel [mailto:etraitel@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:03 AM To: Robby Pedrica; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Toasters Send a message to majordomo(a)mathworks.com with a body of "subscribe toasters" or "help" to get help on majordomo. Can someone from Mathworks add to every email of the mailing list some line about it ? In cramsession.com they do it, and it's very nice... Eyal. --- Robby Pedrica <robby(a)ct.cash.co.za> wrote: > Dear Toasters, > > Is it possible you could send me info on how to join > the Toasters newsgroup ... > > Regards > > Robby Pedrica > Support Consultant > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Maxtec --- OWS --- CAD/CAM > 10 Warbler Close, Montague Gardens > Cape Town, South Africa, 7441 > > Tel: +27 21 555 1402 > Fax: +27 21 555 1404 > ----------------------------------- > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Pedrica;Robby > FN:Robby Pedrica > ORG:Maxtec | OWS | CAD/CAM;ESS > TITLE:Support Consultant > NOTE;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:--- Network Appliance > ---=0D=0A--- Cobalt ---=0D=0A--- Alteon ---=0D=0A--- > C= > ycle --- > TEL;WORK;VOICE:+27 8241 68696 > TEL;WORK;FAX:+27 21 5551404 > ADR;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;+27 21 > 5551402;10 Warbler Close=0D=0AMontague Gardens;Cape > Town;;;South Afr= > ica > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:+27 21 > 5551402=0D=0A10 Warbler Close=0D=0AMontague > Gardens=0D=0ACape Town= > =0D=0ASouth Africa > ADR;HOME:;;;Cape Town;;7441;South Africa > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Cape Town > 7441=0D=0ASouth Africa > X-WAB-GENDER:2 > URL: > URL:http://www.maxtec.co.za/ > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:robby@ct.cash.co.za > REV:20000626T143811Z > END:VCARD > ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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