toasters June 2001

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snapshot management
by Chuck Ross 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

All, I was wondering if there is a way to tell which files/directories are taking up space in your snapshots? Something like a "du" command that would show only the space used by the snapshot. Chuck Ross SIGNIANT - A Nortel Networks Venture 1550 Carling Avenue, Suite 101 Ottawa, ON K1Z 8S8 email: Chuck.Ross(a)signiant.com

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other OSes on a F330
by Bill Bradford 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Due to my inability to find proper Storageworks drive cannisters for my F330 at an affordable price; anybody ever tried to run Linux or NetBSD on a F330? I'd like to do *something* with this box. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Joe Luchtenberg 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Be careful about snapshots, if you're trying to save space. -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee [mailto:edwardlee60@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:23 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer We have a lot of data that users need to store on the filer, but may not need on a daily basis. I'm just trying to find, space saving measures. -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com'" <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com>, >"'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:12:43 -0400 > >Edward, > >What are you trying to accomplish? Backup, multiple users, online, etc. > >We are both making assumptions about what the end goal is. > >-- We would all be crawling if we just stuck with what we know. > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Luchtenberg <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> >To: 'Michael Rogan' <mrogan(a)rim.net>; 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com' ><edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' ><toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 11:37:51 2001 >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer > >Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but >if >he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux >into his data center? Who would admin the box? >In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with >what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to >largely automate the process. > >Joe > >Joe Luchtenberg >Dataline, Inc. >757-858-0600 >757-285-1223 (mobile) >757-858-0606 (fax) >joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com >www.data-line.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM >To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > > >SMB=CIFS. > >I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a >Linux > >box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT >shop. > >any other suggestions? > >-Eddie > > > >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> > >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, > >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > > > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a >file > >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the > >filer. > >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the > >filesystem. > > > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > > > >MJR > > > > > >-------------------------- > >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> > >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 > >Subject: Data compression on the filer > > > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data > >on > > > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > > > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do >this? > >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp > >suggested. > > > >-Eddie > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Edward Lee 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

We have a lot of data that users need to store on the filer, but may not need on a daily basis. I'm just trying to find, space saving measures. -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com'" <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com>, >"'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:12:43 -0400 > >Edward, > >What are you trying to accomplish? Backup, multiple users, online, etc. > >We are both making assumptions about what the end goal is. > >-- We would all be crawling if we just stuck with what we know. > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Luchtenberg <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> >To: 'Michael Rogan' <mrogan(a)rim.net>; 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com' ><edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' ><toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 11:37:51 2001 >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer > >Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but >if >he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux >into his data center? Who would admin the box? >In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with >what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to >largely automate the process. > >Joe > >Joe Luchtenberg >Dataline, Inc. >757-858-0600 >757-285-1223 (mobile) >757-858-0606 (fax) >joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com >www.data-line.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM >To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > > >SMB=CIFS. > >I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a >Linux > >box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT >shop. > >any other suggestions? > >-Eddie > > > >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> > >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, > >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > > > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a >file > >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the > >filer. > >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the > >filesystem. > > > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > > > >MJR > > > > > >-------------------------- > >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> > >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 > >Subject: Data compression on the filer > > > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data > >on > > > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > > > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do >this? > >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp > >suggested. > > > >-Eddie > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Michael Rogan 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Edward, What are you trying to accomplish? Backup, multiple users, online, etc. We are both making assumptions about what the end goal is. -- We would all be crawling if we just stuck with what we know. MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> To: 'Michael Rogan' <mrogan(a)rim.net>; 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com' <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 11:37:51 2001 Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but if he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux into his data center? Who would admin the box? In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to largely automate the process. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer SMB=CIFS. I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Microsoft Cluster Server and Netapps
by Morgan, Joshua 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

My 2 Cents since that's about all it's worth ;) We use Legato Cluster to Cluster 2 SQL Server machines using the Netapps Box. I currently have them in Active/Passive. It works great when one server fails the other server takes over. The only caveat w/ the filer is I have to run a RSH script before SQL Server starts to release the lock from the downed machine. Fail over typically takes about a minute. Joshua Morgan PH: (864) 331-7939 jmorgan(a)trivergent.com

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Joe Luchtenberg 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but if he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux into his data center? Who would admin the box? In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to largely automate the process. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer SMB=CIFS. I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Data compression on the filer
by Michael Rogan 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

SMB=CIFS. I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Data compression on the filer
by Edward Lee 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Data compression on the filer
by Michael Rogan 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the filer. Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the filesystem. Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 Subject: Data compression on the filer I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data on the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp suggested. -Eddie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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