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RE: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp?
by Steve Kappel 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

FYI VERITAS NetBackup NDMP fully supports (release 3.4 onward) restoring NDMP backups to a different NDMP host (same vendor of course). The general NetBackup term for this is "alternate client restore". >From: "Traitel, Eyal" <eyal(a)netapp.com> >To: "Schepers, Jan" <Jan.Schepers(a)nl.origin-it.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: RE: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp? >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:44:29 -0700 > >Jan, > >I am sure this trick is not supported officially by Legato/Veritas/others, >but this has been used successfully, and is VERY easy to do: > >Just edit /etc/hosts file on your Legato host to point the need-to-be-recovered filer to the IP of the one that's replacement. >As NDMP doesn't really care about that, as long as the restore path is fine... > >Eyal. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer > CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA > > Network Appliance BV > Holland Office Center > Kruisweg 799b > 2132 NG, Hoofddorp > The Netherlands >Office: +31 23 567 9685 >Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 >Email: eyal(a)netapp.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Schepers, Jan [mailto:Jan.Schepers@nl.origin-it.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:45 AM >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp? > > >Hello list, > >possibly you read the following line in the Legato's Networker 6 >SysAdminGuide > > > >The Networker Administrator Guide (6.0) shows in chapter 12 , >the section on NDMP limitations the following : > > NetApp Computers and NDMP > Keep in mind the following limitations when > you use NDMP and NetApp: > * You cannot recover a NetApp NDMP backup to > another NetApp. You can only recover data > to the original host. > >Does this mean that my faith fully daily made backups are >worthless in case of a disaster? > >rgds, > >Yann __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve(a)stevekappel.com (Personal)

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Re: How would you respond to this -Reply
by svawter＠c-cube.com 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

Hey! You guys got a knife? Geez. We should start up a list of stuff sorted by gee-wow value so that we can each find out where we stand with Net App... So far I have a lovely stainless steel travel coffee mug, a wonderous fold up and zip inside-out tote bag, 1 gorgeous t-shirt and a nice warm and fuzzy sweat shirt (blue). I don't even rate a knife... (then again, can I be trusted with sharp objects? Maybe not...) I have seen a great little multi-tip screw-driver with a built-in pen light that I believe was Net App swag as well... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Steve Vawter Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM Staff UNIX Sys. Adm. voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 603-754-3713 personal email address: leopard(a)Midwinter.COM --> --> From mgx(a)ornl.gov Fri Apr 20 15:18:22 2001 --> From: Michael Galloway <mgx(a)ornl.gov> --> To: Barry Lustig <barry(a)lustig.com> --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com --> Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply --> User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.14i --> --> Hi Barry! --> --> heheh ... thats a good one! i still have my trusty netapp swiss army knive --> too, i'd gladly swap it out the jacket! --> --> -- micahel --> --> --> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Barry Lustig wrote: --> --> > Can we trade in our "multi-protocol" pocket knives for the jacket? :-) --> > --> > barry --> > --> > -->

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RE: Swag
by Art Hebert 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Hey you guys should give netapp a break here. When I started at Arzoon they had already bought 4 netapp filers with a disk shelf each. They paid $626000 total for them. I mean how can you expect Netapp to be handing out shirts, it would kill their profit margin :-) On a side note, anybody buying netapps at auctions? I just saw an F740, 2 disk shelves with 18gb disks and 1 shelf with 36gb disks go for $25000. The guy said something about Netapp was going to charge $50000 to transfer the software license. art -----Original Message----- From: David Schairer [mailto:njal@sw.xo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:48 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Swag Well, it's definitely time to whine at our Netapp guys. We (Concentric) were one of the very first Netapp customers, we've dumped some millions of capital expenditure into NetApp over the years, and I've gotten a total of 1 sweatshirt, one polo, and a pen :) And the sweatshirt was from an unrelated survey promo (nothing to do with us being a customer), and the polo came from one of OUR marketing guys who got it from a promotion. On the flip side, it's a really nice pen -- with the built-in stylus, I use it every day :) Maybe someone should make 'I run a data center on network appliance gear and all I got was this lousy t-shirt' product for this group :) --David Schairer VP/Chief Systems Architect XO Communications, Inc (ex. Concentric) On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:33:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Krueger wrote: > I've received a number of e-mails from disgruntled NetApp employee's and > dedicated customers who don't have leather jackets yet. > > Be aware, all the classes I've gone to have only come with the traditional > thin windbreaker, coffee mug, or occasionally a neat-o pen. I did get a > nifty screwdriver when I passed the Certified Administrator exam, but that > took alot of begging on my part. > > Obtaining the covetted leather jacket requires a combination of *years* of > diligently placed hints to one's sales team, lots of positive feedback to > NetApp, and an incredible amount of luck. > > Please don't start wailing on NetApp for leather jackets though. They'll > reposses those of us who have them for creating jealosy and starting a > mutiny. > > Besides, what you really want to work for is the red leather Corvette cover > with the NetApp logo on the "hood" portion. The fur-lining makes it > sporty and luxurious and it even comes with a handsome carrying bag. > > -- Jeff > >

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RE: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Mohler, Jeff 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I would..if we'd sell one to me. Marketting: Hint..profit center..sell netapp stuffage. Call my extension when yer ready, I'll be first in line! -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Manley [mailto:stephen@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:01 PM To: jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com Cc: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag in my whole > wardrobe. Dude. I work here, and I don't have anything that snazzy. Stephen Manley DAM and NDMP Ragamuffin

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RE: OT - swag
by Palmer, Jason (London) 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I got the T-Shirt, but it is falling to bits after a year of frequent use... Maybe it would be a good idea to inlcude some kind of merchandise cost in the support contract that is renewed for the hardware. Adding another $10 on would not be noticed at all... I love wearing my T-Shirt to meetings with EMC :p The EMC sales guys don't look very impressed when they see it ! -- Jason -----Original Message----- From: Kitch, David [mailto:dkitch@ti.com] Sent: 20 April 2001 20:21 To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: RE: OT - swag They haven't given out jackets in years. The last I heard, it's still a bag or a shirt. -- David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Galloway [mailto:mgx@ornl.gov] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:04 PM To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: Re: OT - swag humph! i was just thinking i'd sign up for the two admin classes, but now i'm not so sure. the leather jacket is sweet! -- michael On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chuck Ross wrote: > > Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a > travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. > > Chuck Ross > > > > > > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > > proud owner of a > > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > > in my whole > > wardrobe. > >

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by Jeffrey R. Thomas,PE 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

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Swag
by Jeffrey Krueger 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I've received a number of e-mails from disgruntled NetApp employee's and dedicated customers who don't have leather jackets yet. Be aware, all the classes I've gone to have only come with the traditional thin windbreaker, coffee mug, or occasionally a neat-o pen. I did get a nifty screwdriver when I passed the Certified Administrator exam, but that took alot of begging on my part. Obtaining the covetted leather jacket requires a combination of *years* of diligently placed hints to one's sales team, lots of positive feedback to NetApp, and an incredible amount of luck. Please don't start wailing on NetApp for leather jackets though. They'll reposses those of us who have them for creating jealosy and starting a mutiny. Besides, what you really want to work for is the red leather Corvette cover with the NetApp logo on the "hood" portion. The fur-lining makes it sporty and luxurious and it even comes with a handsome carrying bag. -- Jeff

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RE: migrating data between filers
by Fox, Adam 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

One other thing to consider. I forgot about this but it is something to think about. vol copy does a block for block copy of the data. I'm guessing that you probably have 36GB or 72GB disks on your 840 and 4GB disks on your 330. Since the disk geometries are very different, your data on the 840 may be more fragmented (i.e. not in nice stripes) as a result of this block-by-block copy than it was on your 330. This *could* result in non-optimal performance. Now if your data changes frequenly and you have a decent amount of free space on the F840 volume, WAFL will fix this over time and you may not even see it in the first place. But it is something to be aware of. If you are concerned about this issue, you may want to consider moving the data via something like ndmpcopy which will re-stripe your data on the destination side. Again, both methods work. Both have advantadges and disadvantages (for example, vol copy is usually quicker than ndmpcopy in my experience). What's important is that you make an informed decision on which way you go. There isn't necessarily a right or wrong answer here and many folks (customers and NTAP folks alike) have strong views one way or another (kind of like vi vs. emacs). So pick the way that you think works best for you. Both are good. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonard, Roger [mailto:Roger.Leonard@marconi.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:38 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: migrating data between filers > > > i am getting ready to migrate some data from 330's to an 840 > using volcopy. > has anyone done this out there and do you have > any recomendations and/or gotchas? >

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RE: OT - swag
by Maglinger, Paul 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Well, I got a travel coffee mug and a half-way decent tote bag that my wife uses more than I do. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Ross [mailto:chuck.ross@signiant.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 13:24 To: Net App List (E-mail) Subject: OT - swag Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. Chuck Ross > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > in my whole > wardrobe. > > -- Jeff > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Leif Nixon wrote: > > "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> writes: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > > > > > Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my > > > new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the > > > Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not > > > receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! > > > > Yes, you might want to consider that. > > > > A couple of months ago I added a new 36-gigger to my F720 setup, and > > since I failed to notice the little sticker on the bottom > of the disk > > about supported ONTAP versions, the filer halted and production > > stopped. Ouch. > > > > Not two hours later I received an overseas FedEx package containing > > a NetApp sweater. Now that's service! > > > > -- > > Leif Nixon Sysadm/developer Ericsson SoftLab AB > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > E-mail: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se Phone: +46 13 23 57 61 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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RE: OT - swag
by Joe Luchtenberg 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Okay, okay. For all you folks who want one, I'll be happy to provide a NetApp leather jacket with the purchase of your next F840 from me! ;-) Wait a minute, I'm only supposed to handle federal government accounts, and I can't legally do that... Doh!!! Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Martin Hughes [mailto:Martin.Hughes@Halliburton.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:17 PM To: 'chuck.ross(a)signiant.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: OT - swag I second that one. And we've got the SAM agreement to boot. Hmmmm...... Regards Martin Enterprise Storage/Enterprise Server Group <mailto:martin.hughes@halliburton.com> cellphone: +1 713 303 9214 office: +1 281 871 4124 -------------------------- Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Ross <chuck.ross(a)signiant.com> To: Net App List (E-mail) <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Apr 20 13:24:04 2001 Subject: OT - swag Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. Chuck Ross > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > in my whole > wardrobe. > > -- Jeff > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Leif Nixon wrote: > > "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> writes: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > > > > > Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my > > > new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the > > > Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not > > > receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! > > > > Yes, you might want to consider that. > > > > A couple of months ago I added a new 36-gigger to my F720 setup, and > > since I failed to notice the little sticker on the bottom > of the disk > > about supported ONTAP versions, the filer halted and production > > stopped. Ouch. > > > > Not two hours later I received an overseas FedEx package containing > > a NetApp sweater. Now that's service! > > > > -- > > Leif Nixon Sysadm/developer Ericsson SoftLab AB > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > E-mail: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se Phone: +46 13 23 57 61 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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