Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
1. Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying over files or directories from an 8.x system?
2. If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
--- With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
1. Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying over files or directories from an 8.x system?
2. If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
_______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Understood.
Then yes, SM would be limited in that regard. :)
One thing you could do is have a centralized server/desktop or two where people remote in and use system manager...
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:26 AM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+ Manager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
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Sounds like you need a dedicated administrative host, either physical or virtual, that allows RDP or VNC-like access to the GUI. Install once and access remotely from your desktop when you need to configure something. I don't know how System Manager would respond to multiple sessions on the same machine, though.
Good luck,
- -=Tom Nail
On 12/08/2011 09:35 AM, Parisi, Justin wrote:
Understood.
Then yes, SM would be limited in that regard. :)
One thing you could do is have a centralized server/desktop or two where people remote in and use system manager...
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:26 AM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+ Manager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here: https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_mana..., or directly in this thread: https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
--- With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Andrey,
I'll take a look at the groups you listed below. Thanks for the pointer.
I don't know how easy it would be to connect to a running session. Each time it launches, it connects to the loopback and a randomly assigned port (127.0.0.1:xxxxx). I think trying to connect to that from another system would be problematic.
I haven't figured out how to launch this from the command line instead of an icon yet either (I not much of a java guru). I've tried "java -jar /opt/NetApp/oncommand_system_manager/2.0/SystemManager.jar" along with some path additions, but I think I need to tweak some java variables.
It looks like I probably will need to set up some centralized installation on a server somewhere to make this slightly more convenient. It adds at least one level of complexity and management for something that worked fine at 8.0.1.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here: https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_mana..., or directly in this thread: https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
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-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Unfortunately, remote connection is not possible right now: https://communities.netapp.com/message/64531#64531
--- With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:37 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: Parisi, Justin; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I'll take a look at the groups you listed below. Thanks for the pointer.
I don't know how easy it would be to connect to a running session. Each time it launches, it connects to the loopback and a randomly assigned port (127.0.0.1:xxxxx). I think trying to connect to that from another system would be problematic.
I haven't figured out how to launch this from the command line instead of an icon yet either (I not much of a java guru). I've tried "java -jar /opt/NetApp/oncommand_system_manager/2.0/SystemManager.jar" along with some path additions, but I think I need to tweak some java variables.
It looks like I probably will need to set up some centralized installation on a server somewhere to make this slightly more convenient. It adds at least one level of complexity and management for something that worked fine at 8.0.1.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here: https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_mana..., or directly in this thread: https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here: https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_mana..., or directly in this thread: https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster http://%3ccluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced tab in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here:
https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_ management_software/oncommand_system_manager, or directly in this thread: https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start
it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin
Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create
volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Ma nager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net
[mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up
a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in.
Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I
would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey
andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central
management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away
with
8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2
questions
about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of
the
filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain
for
our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and
desktops
in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a
waste
to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or
other
advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
I haven't been following this thread carefully. But obviously I will have to figure out what is going on in this area before I consider upgrading ONTAP.
It is unfortunate the support for the web/java administration might be going away. To be fair, it seems to have been slowly degrading over the years - perhaps it is just too hard to maintain.
I guess there are two (or more) types of users for netapp products. One needs the absolute highest level of performance, and has staff dedicated to achieving it. Likely they mostly use CLI. The other is just looking for high performance storage that is easy to administer. Likely these users do not have dedicated staff, and use mostly GUI and CLI only when required.
I fall in the latter group. And for better or worse, do not have a windows box on my desk. Going forward am I going to have to set up a windows virtual machine just to have easy admin of our netapp boxes?
I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a nice and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the easy to use appliance model?
David
On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced tab in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_mana..., or directly in this thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
David Knight Dept. of Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Tel: (518)-442-4204 University at Albany, ES-228 Fax: (518)-442-4494 Albany, NY 12222 Email: dknight@albany.edu
David -
System Manager 2.0 runs in a browser running on Linux or Windows. You might be thinking of System Manager 1.x that was MMC based and needed to run under Windows.
Regards,
- Rick -
-----Original Message----- From: Knight, David [mailto:dknight@albany.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 16:34 To: Ehrhart, Rick Cc: Knight, David; steve klise; andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin;
Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
I haven't been following this thread carefully. But obviously I will have to figure out what is going on in this area before I consider upgrading ONTAP.
It is unfortunate the support for the web/java administration might be going away. To be fair, it seems to have been slowly degrading over the years - perhaps it is just too hard to maintain.
I guess there are two (or more) types of users for netapp products. One needs the absolute highest level of performance, and has staff dedicated to achieving it. Likely they mostly use CLI. The other is just looking for high performance storage that is easy to administer. Likely these users do not have dedicated staff, and use mostly GUI and CLI only when required.
I fall in the latter group. And for better or worse, do not have a windows box on my desk. Going forward am I going to have to set up a windows virtual machine just to have easy admin of our netapp boxes?
I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a nice and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the easy to use appliance model?
David
On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not
included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In
Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced
tab
in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com;
Parisi, Justin
Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY
know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up
here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/st
orage_management_software/oncommand_system_manager, or directly in
this
thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you
start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to
do
it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop
and
my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits
on
every single system we would want to be able to configure the
filer
from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method
everyone
of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if
they
want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac
boxes
from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run
rdesktop
or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared
to
just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running
FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin
Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create
volumes, shares, etc with it.
bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-
bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set
up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated
hardware,
on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in.
Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to
FV.
I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey
andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a
central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away
with
8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2
questions
about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as
copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box
and
a
different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all
of the
filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a
pain
for
our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and
desktops
in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems
a
waste
to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all
the
needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or
other
advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
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Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
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David Knight Dept. of Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Tel: (518)-442-4204 University at Albany, ES-228 Fax: (518)-442-4494 Albany, NY 12222 Email: dknight@albany.edu
Sys Mgr 2.1 which is scheduled for June 2012 will support a server mode installation which will enable connections from multiple clients. As of now Sys Mgr 2.0 which is available for download from NOW works on both Windows and Linux platforms. Although a web server it doesn't allow remote clients and connections from local host only allowed. It supports everything filer view supported and much more with better user experience.
Thanks much, -Suma.
-----Original Message----- From: Ehrhart, Rick Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 6:23 AM To: Knight, David Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
David -
System Manager 2.0 runs in a browser running on Linux or Windows. You might be thinking of System Manager 1.x that was MMC based and needed to run under Windows.
Regards,
- Rick -
-----Original Message----- From: Knight, David [mailto:dknight@albany.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 16:34 To: Ehrhart, Rick Cc: Knight, David; steve klise; andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin;
Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
I haven't been following this thread carefully. But obviously I will have to figure out what is going on in this area before I consider upgrading ONTAP.
It is unfortunate the support for the web/java administration might be going away. To be fair, it seems to have been slowly degrading over the years - perhaps it is just too hard to maintain.
I guess there are two (or more) types of users for netapp products. One needs the absolute highest level of performance, and has staff dedicated to achieving it. Likely they mostly use CLI. The other is just looking for high performance storage that is easy to administer. Likely these users do not have dedicated staff, and use mostly GUI and CLI only when required.
I fall in the latter group. And for better or worse, do not have a windows box on my desk. Going forward am I going to have to set up a windows virtual machine just to have easy admin of our netapp boxes?
I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a nice and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the easy to use appliance model?
David
On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not
included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In
Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced
tab
in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com;
Parisi, Justin
Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY
know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up
here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/st
orage_management_software/oncommand_system_manager, or directly in
this
thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you
start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to
do
it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop
and
my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits
on
every single system we would want to be able to configure the
filer
from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method
everyone
of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if
they
want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac
boxes
from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run
rdesktop
or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared
to
just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running
FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin
Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create
volumes, shares, etc with it.
bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-
bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set
up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated
hardware,
on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in.
Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to
FV.
I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey
andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a
central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away
with
8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2
questions
about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as
copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box
and
a
different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all
of the
filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a
pain
for
our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and
desktops
in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems
a
waste
to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all
the
needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or
other
advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
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_______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Gowder, Suma Suma.Gowder@netapp.com
remote clients and connections from local host only allowed. It supports everything filer view supported and much more with better user experience.
While it will do everything FV can do, I respectfully disagree about a better user experience. Forcing user to do local installs on every system they may want to do support from, use hack work arounds for unsupported OS, adding levels of complexity by making people vnc or rdesktop into another system that has the installation, and probably requiring a dedicated server with limited OS support to install a centralized package does nothing to enhance the user experience. In fact, quite the opposite. It is a definite negative against NetApp.
Jeff
You are correct, I was thinking of the previous windows only release. I can find a Linux box easily enough.
On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
David -
System Manager 2.0 runs in a browser running on Linux or Windows. You might be thinking of System Manager 1.x that was MMC based and needed to run under Windows.
Regards,
- Rick -
-----Original Message----- From: Knight, David [mailto:dknight@albany.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 16:34 To: Ehrhart, Rick Cc: Knight, David; steve klise; andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin;
Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
I haven't been following this thread carefully. But obviously I will have to figure out what is going on in this area before I consider upgrading ONTAP.
It is unfortunate the support for the web/java administration might be going away. To be fair, it seems to have been slowly degrading over the years - perhaps it is just too hard to maintain.
I guess there are two (or more) types of users for netapp products. One needs the absolute highest level of performance, and has staff dedicated to achieving it. Likely they mostly use CLI. The other is just looking for high performance storage that is easy to administer. Likely these users do not have dedicated staff, and use mostly GUI and CLI only when required.
I fall in the latter group. And for better or worse, do not have a windows box on my desk. Going forward am I going to have to set up a windows virtual machine just to have easy admin of our netapp boxes?
I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a nice and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the easy to use appliance model?
David
On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not
included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In
Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced
tab
in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com;
Parisi, Justin
Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY
know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up
here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/st
orage_management_software/oncommand_system_manager, or directly in
this
thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you
start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to
do
it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop
and
my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits
on
every single system we would want to be able to configure the
filer
from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method
everyone
of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if
they
want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac
boxes
from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run
rdesktop
or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared
to
just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running
FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin
Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create
volumes, shares, etc with it.
bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-
bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set
up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated
hardware,
on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in.
Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to
FV.
I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey
andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a
central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away
with
8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2
questions
about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as
copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box
and
a
different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all
of the
filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a
pain
for
our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and
desktops
in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems
a
waste
to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all
the
needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or
other
advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
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David Knight Dept. of Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences Tel: (518)-442-4204 University at Albany, ES-228 Fax: (518)-442-4494 Albany, NY 12222 Email: dknight@albany.edu
No Mac support? Disappointed.
-Blake !
On Dec 9, 2011, at 4:14 AM, "Knight, David" dknight@albany.edu wrote:
You are correct, I was thinking of the previous windows only release. I can find a Linux box easily enough.
On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
David -
System Manager 2.0 runs in a browser running on Linux or Windows. You might be thinking of System Manager 1.x that was MMC based and needed to run under Windows.
Regards,
- Rick -
-----Original Message----- From: Knight, David [mailto:dknight@albany.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 16:34 To: Ehrhart, Rick Cc: Knight, David; steve klise; andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin;
Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
I haven't been following this thread carefully. But obviously I will have to figure out what is going on in this area before I consider upgrading ONTAP.
It is unfortunate the support for the web/java administration might be going away. To be fair, it seems to have been slowly degrading over the years - perhaps it is just too hard to maintain.
I guess there are two (or more) types of users for netapp products. One needs the absolute highest level of performance, and has staff dedicated to achieving it. Likely they mostly use CLI. The other is just looking for high performance storage that is easy to administer. Likely these users do not have dedicated staff, and use mostly GUI and CLI only when required.
I fall in the latter group. And for better or worse, do not have a windows box on my desk. Going forward am I going to have to set up a windows virtual machine just to have easy admin of our netapp boxes?
I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a nice and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the easy to use appliance model?
David
On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not
included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In
Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced
tab
in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com;
Parisi, Justin
Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY
know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up
here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/st
orage_management_software/oncommand_system_manager, or directly in
this
thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you
start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to
do
it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop
and
my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits
on
every single system we would want to be able to configure the
filer
from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method
everyone
of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if
they
want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac
boxes
from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run
rdesktop
or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared
to
just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running
FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin
Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create
volumes, shares, etc with it.
bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manager&platform=Windows
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-
bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set
up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated
hardware,
on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in.
Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to
FV.
I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey
andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
> Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a
central management server with RBAC?
> > > --- > With best regards > > Andrey Borzenkov > Senior system engineer > Service operations > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net > [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Cleverley
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM > To: toasters@teaparty.net > Subject: System Manager for 8.1 > > Greetings, > > I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away
with
> 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2
questions
> about this: > > 1. Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as
copying
> over files or directories from an 8.x system? > > 2. If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that
everyone
> could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a > server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box
and
a
> different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all
of the
> filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a
pain
for
> our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and
desktops
> in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems
a
waste
> to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all
the
> needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-) > > I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create > aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or
other
> advanced tools right now. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > -- > Jeff Cleverley > Unix Systems Administrator > 4380 Ziegler Road > Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 > 970-288-4611 > _______________________________________________ > Toasters mailing list > Toasters@teaparty.net > http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
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Actually, there is a beta build for Oncommand System Manager 2.0 for OSX but it's unsupported by NetApp so you won't find it in the NOWs Download Section. If you don't mind the fact that there's no actual support from your favourite vendor on it and you have to rely on the community support just try it out. It's working like a charm, even if it's beta. Several customers of me are using it already and are pretty happy with it.
Download at: http://communities.netapp.com/thread/17553
Cheers,
Woo! I'll take a look today.
-Blake
Typed with my thumbs!
On Dec 9, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Felix Schröder fs@teamix.de wrote:
Actually, there is a beta build for Oncommand System Manager 2.0 for OSX but it's unsupported by NetApp so you won't find it in the NOWs Download Section. If you don't mind the fact that there's no actual support from your favourite vendor on it and you have to rely on the community support just try it out. It's working like a charm, even if it's beta. Several customers of me are using it already and are pretty happy with it.
Download at: http://communities.netapp.com/thread/17553
Cheers,
Felix Schröder Support Engineer
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----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- Von: "Blake Golliher" thelastman@gmail.com An: "David Knight" dknight@albany.edu CC: "Rick Ehrhart" Rick.Ehrhart@netapp.com, "toasters@teaparty.net" toasters@teaparty.net Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Dezember 2011 14:21:11 Betreff: Re: System Manager for 8.1
No Mac support? Disappointed.
-Blake !
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<snip> I like and value the "toasters" aspect of these boxes. A toaster is a nice and easy to use appliance. Is netapp perhaps diverging from the easy to use appliance model?
Perhaps because we're asking it to do so much more than just toast these days? De-dupe, compression, namespace, huge aggregates, etc... These are not toasters anymore, haven't been for a while imo.
Jeff Kennedy Qualcomm, Incorporated QCT Engineering Compute 858-651-6592
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Knight, David Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:34 PM To: Ehrhart, Rick Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
David
On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Ehrhart, Rick wrote:
There is no way to add FilerView back into 8.1. The JVM was not included in ONTAP 8.1.
For 7-mode, System Manager 2.0 is the only tool available. In Cluster-mode, you can do an http://<cluster management LIF> and get to an GUI implementation of the CLI. This is the same as the advanced tab in System Manager.
Regards,
- Rick -
From: steve klise [mailto:sklise@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 13:59 To: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com; jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Parisi, Justin Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1
I thought all you linux guys were command line only? Now we REALLY know who the filerview users are..
JK, I am sure there will be a workaround..
From: andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com To: jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com; Justin.Parisi@netapp.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: RE: System Manager for 8.1 CC: toasters@teaparty.net
This is the valid point and I suggest you bring it up here:https://communities.netapp.com/community/products_and_solutions/storage_mana..., or directly in this thread:https://communities.netapp.com/message/64385#64385
Hmm ... wait ... System Manager 2.0 is browser based; when you start it locally it actually launches browser. Have you tried to connect to it externally? May be it is possible to tweak shortcut to do it? Again, you could ask in the above community, NetApp folks are really responsive (although right now there is a problem that E-Mail alerts do not work, you will have to check for replies manually).
I would be really interested if this (remote access) worked.
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Cleverley [mailto:jeff.cleverley@avagotech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:26 PM To: Parisi, Justin Cc: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Justin,
I understand SM2.0 is out and have installed it on both my desktop and my laptop. What I was hoping to avoid was having to install bits on every single system we would want to be able to configure the filer from. We have 5 people on our IT team. With the new method everyone of them has to install the package on their RH desktop at work if they want to do this, and also their laptop if they have one and access from home.
One of the other issues is a couple of them use Ubuntu or Mac boxes from home. This package isn't supported for those. We'll end up having to install it somewhere else and they will have to run rdesktop or vnc to get to it. This is a lot of hassle for support compared to just pulling up a web browser from virtually any OS and running FV.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Parisi, Justin Justin.Parisi@netapp.com wrote:
Jeff,
System Manager 2.0 is out and supported for 8.1. You can create volumes, shares, etc with it.
https://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/software/?product=OnCommand+System+Manage...
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:40 AM To: Borzenkov, Andrey Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: System Manager for 8.1
Andrey,
I may have to do this. It is just considerably more work to set up a centralized server somewhere, possibly needing dedicated hardware, on a limited set of supported OS platforms. The old FV would allow connections from most web browsers with the proper java plug-in. Having to do all of this adds work and complexity compared to FV. I would rather have FV as an option.
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Borzenkov, Andrey andrey.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
Well ... DFM is free of charge today, so why not go for a central management server with RBAC?
With best regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer Service operations
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:24 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: System Manager for 8.1
Greetings,
I've got 8.1RC1 installed on a test filer. FilerView went away with 8.1 7-mode and we now have to use System Manager. I have 2 questions about this:
- Has anyone found a hack to make FilerView work such as copying
over files or directories from an 8.x system?
- If I only want to set up a centralized configuration that everyone
could see, would I have to set up a OnCommand Core package on a server? Right now I have to install the rpm on my linux box and a different setup on my PC. I have to tell it to go discover all of the filers for each installation. This makes supporting this a pain for our support team. Everyone has to install it on their PC and desktops in order to be able to manage the 8.1 filers. It really seems a waste to have to do so many installs, and then tell it to go find all the needed filers. I hope there is a better way :-)
I'm only looking for FilerView capabilities to create aggregates/volumes/shares, etc. I'm not needing monitoring or other advanced tools right now.
Thanks,
Jeff
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