Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0 is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW -- is this normal? ;
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
- since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on 32-bit aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Do some of you have encountered the same questions ?
Regards, Simon
Hey Simon,
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 15:05, Simon Vallet svallet@genoscope.cns.fr wrote:
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0
is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
You can install updated documentation, just download docs8.zip from NOW (it is on the download site of ONTAP 8), and click the link to update the docs
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW --
is this normal? ;
Probably so. The box is kind of new, possibly there are no updates yet.
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great
idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
Check the manual pages for na_protocolaccess, you can configure which interface to use in access settings per protocol
Greetings,
Nils
Hi Niels,
our paths cross again it seems ;-)
First of all : thank you all for your messages -- I got excellent replies to my questions off-list from an old friend (you know who you are :-)).
I will elaborate on some questions below.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:27:30 +0200 Nils Vogels bacardicoke@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 15:05, Simon Vallet svallet@genoscope.cns.fr wrote:
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0
is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
You can install updated documentation, just download docs8.zip from NOW (it is on the download site of ONTAP 8), and click the link to update the docs
That's what I did -- but I get the message nevertheless (as of yesterday).
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW --
is this normal? ;
Probably so. The box is kind of new, possibly there are no updates yet.
OK.
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great
idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
Check the manual pages for na_protocolaccess, you can configure which interface to use in access settings per protocol
I will, thanks.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:05:39 -0400 "Payne, Richard" richard.payne@amd.com wrote:
You can not. In 8.0 the root aggr has to be on a 32-bit aggr. We just installed two clusters with 8.0 and ran into this limitation. I believe it's being addressed in a future version.
That's also what I heard.
This list is great !
Simon
- since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on 32-bit aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit
aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Think one of the reasons 64bit rool vols are disallowed is bcos they tend to use more space for metadata.
Think the other and more imp. Reason is that it would become infeasible if one decided to revert back to the older version which only supports 32-bit. (should you grow the root vol and then revert, what happens to the data in the root vol that will not be addressable in the 32bit vol)
-----Original Message----- From: Simon Vallet [mailto:svallet@genoscope.cns.fr] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:36 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Several questions about ONTAP 8.0 and DS4243 shelves
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0 is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW -- is this normal? ;
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
- since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on 32-bit aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Do some of you have encountered the same questions ?
Regards, Simon
We may be experiencing your item 3 below. I have a case open with Netapp but have yet to really work on it.
Our experience with e0M on a new 3140 is that when you ssh to that interface, we are place directly into what I would consider the system console and we don't currently know how to get back to the actual rlm interface. We've tried to reboot that rlm. If I hear anything on our case I can post our solution. I'm curious, are you experiencing the same issue with your e0m interface? Our serial port to the rlm seems to be fine, meaning we can utilize the rlm interface cli as well as access the system console and then get back to the rlm interface. This new 3140 replaced a 3020.
Thanks, Kevin
At 09:05 AM 6/14/2010, you wrote:
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0
is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW --
is this normal? ;
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great
idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
- since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on 32-bit
aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Do some of you have encountered the same questions ?
Regards, Simon --
Simon Vallet Ingénieur systèmes, réseaux, sécurité CEA DSV/IG/GEN - Genoscope Tél.: +33 1 60 87 36 06 Mél.: sjv@genoscope.cns.fr
e0M is a NIC that¹s ³owned² by ONTAP, that¹s not much different from e0a or e0b. Once you give it an IP address, you can ssh into it and get an ONTAP CLI, just like you could to e0a.
The RLM is a completely separate subsystem that has it¹s own network interface. If you ssh into the RLM¹s IP address or hostname, you¹ll have access to the RLM itself and it¹s CLI. From the RLM¹s CLI, you can issue the system console¹ command to tunnel into the main controller¹s CLI (ONTAP). Once you¹ve tunneled in, you¹re at the real ONTAP CLI. To exit and get back to the RLM¹s CLI, issue a Ctrl-D.
On a FAS3100 series, an optimization was made to put both ONTAP¹s e0M NIC and the RLM¹s NIC behind an internal Ethernet 10/100 switch and then we present a single RJ45 jack so you only need one cable from there to your management network (they could both go on a data network if you don¹t have a separate management network). This does assume you wanted e0M and the RLM on the same network.
So the trick to know is that you need an IP address for each device and there are two devices behind that RJ45. The other trick you need to know is how to get from the RLM to the ONTAP console and back. You can find more info in the SysAdmin guide, e.g.
http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/rel732_vs/html/ontap/sysadmin /index.html Look for ³How to access the storage system² and ³How to use the RLM...²
While I have the floor, I want to put in a plug to check out the Remote Support Agent functionality:
http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/remote_support_agent/pdfs/rsa_userg uide.pdf
We think it can vastly improve the support experience and reduce the case resolution time. Check it out.
Brad.
From: Kevin Sheen sheenk@zbzoom.net Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:02:51 -0400 To: Simon Vallet svallet@genoscope.cns.fr Cc: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Several questions about ONTAP 8.0 and DS4243 shelves
We may be experiencing your item 3 below. I have a case open with Netapp but have yet to really work on it.
Our experience with e0M on a new 3140 is that when you ssh to that interface, we are place directly into what I would consider the system console and we don't currently know how to get back to the actual rlm interface. We've tried to reboot that rlm. If I hear anything on our case I can post our solution. I'm curious, are you experiencing the same issue with your e0m interface? Our serial port to the rlm seems to be fine, meaning we can utilize the rlm interface cli as well as access the system console and then get back to the rlm interface. This new 3140 replaced a 3020.
Thanks, Kevin
At 09:05 AM 6/14/2010, you wrote:
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0 is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW -- is this normal? ;
we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on 32-bit aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Do some of you have encountered the same questions ?
Regards, Simon --
Simon Vallet Ingénieur systèmes, réseaux, sécurité CEA DSV/IG/GEN - Genoscope Tél.: +33 1 60 87 36 06
Mél.: sjv@genoscope.cns.fr
I have not run ONTAP 8 on anything other than a simulator, so I don't know this to be fact. I suspect, that if you wanted your root volume to be 64 bit, you could take steps similar to how they were moved from traditional volumes to flexible volumes: 1. Create a new flexible volume on a 64 bit aggregate with sufficient capacity to accommodate vol0 (for the sake of this argument, we'll call it newvol0) 2. QTree snapmirror or ndmpcopy vol0 to newvol0 3. vol options newvol0 root (this makes it the root volume instead of the original vol0) 4. Reboot 5. Rename vol0 to oldvol0 and rename newvol0 to vol0 - if you wish to retain vol0 as your root 6. If you are licensed for CIFS, you will have to change your CIFS shares that were on the original vol0 to point to the new vol0 as the renaming of the volumes caused the shares to follow the name changes.
Could be worth a try on a system that you don’t mind rebuilding.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Simon Vallet Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Several questions about ONTAP 8.0 and DS4243 shelves
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM 8.0 is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW -- is this normal? ;
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
- since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on 32-bit aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Do some of you have encountered the same questions ?
Regards, Simon
On 06/14/2010 01:32 PM, Holland, William L wrote:
I have not run ONTAP 8 on anything other than a simulator, so I don't know this to be fact. I suspect, that if you wanted your root volume to be 64 bit, you could take steps similar to how they were moved from traditional volumes to flexible volumes: 1. Create a new flexible volume on a 64 bit aggregate with sufficient capacity to accommodate vol0 (for the sake of this argument, we'll call it newvol0) 2. QTree snapmirror or ndmpcopy vol0 to newvol0 3. vol options newvol0 root (this makes it the root volume instead of the original vol0) 4. Reboot 5. Rename vol0 to oldvol0 and rename newvol0 to vol0 - if you wish to retain vol0 as your root 6. If you are licensed for CIFS, you will have to change your CIFS shares that were on the original vol0 to point to the new vol0 as the renaming of the volumes caused the shares to follow the name changes.
Could be worth a try on a system that you don’t mind rebuilding.
You can not. In 8.0 the root aggr has to be on a 32-bit aggr. We just installed two clusters with 8.0 and ran into this limitation. I believe it's being addressed in a future version.
--rdp
Rich Payne Manager, Data Services AMD
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Simon Vallet Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Several questions about ONTAP 8.0 and DS4243 shelves
Hi,
we recently acquired two filers (3140) with DS4243 shelves, and upgraded them to ONTAP 8.0. I know that this is a GA release, but I did notice some glitches (which are perfectly understandable), and have some questions for the people here who understand this better than me :
- installing the 8.0 doc yields a "Documentation for Data ONTAPTM
8.0 is installed, but is out-of-date." message ;
- I couldn't find any firmware updates for the DS4243 shelves on NOW
-- is this normal? ;
- we configured the e0M interface (and I think that it is a great
idea), but I couldn't find a way to configure the filer to exclusively be administrated through e0M (i.e. the embedded SSH server now answers on both interfaces) ;
- since we migrated from a 7.x release, our root volumes are on
32-bit aggregates -- is there a way to have the root volume on a 64-bit aggregate (and if not, what is the technical reason for it) ?
Do some of you have encountered the same questions ?
Regards, Simon