This looks like exactly the level of snapshot + backup integration we've been looking for - especially for our 100's of VMs on Netapp NFS volumes.
http://www.netapp.com/us/products/protection-software/snapprotect.html
Can anyone offer any opinions on the product - especially integration with vmware and existing tape backups (eg Legato)
thanks,
Fletcher
On 16/05/12 01:02, Fletcher Cocquyt wrote:
This looks like exactly the level of snapshot + backup integration we've been looking for - especially for our 100's of VMs on Netapp NFS volumes.
http://www.netapp.com/us/products/protection-software/snapprotect.html
Can anyone offer any opinions on the product - especially integration with vmware and existing tape backups (eg Legato)
A quick google reveals it's a rebrand of CommVault Simpana. So NetApp has at least three different products for VM backups - VSC/SMVI, OnCommand Host/Core and SnapProtect, plus VIBE and SnapCreator.
What are your actual needs? Do you already have other SnapManager products? VSC/SMVI beats OnCommand in terms of single file restore, but requires scripting for SnapVault, and as far as I can tell both are going to be developed still. OnCommand is a nice SPOG if you have other SnapManager stuff, but OnCommand Host is pretty opaque sometimes.
Here we're using OnCommand, since it's a fairly new install, we're using SnapVault and I thought it was the natural successor to SMVI.
We currently install the legato backup client in all 350+ VMs and do nightly incremental backups with all its associated disk, network and CPU load. But this incremental data is already captured by the netapp snapshots.
It sounds like (from the product video link) SnapProtect would allow the snapshots to replace the incremental tape backups
And if there a feature to retain make a set of incremental snapshots look like a full backup we potentially decrease frequency of full tape backups - or we could do those to a Netapp SATA JBOD equivalent (with dedup enabled))
It feels, as always like there lack of integration or consolidation for these Netapp products - a missed opportunity.
You mentioned OnCommand - what feature provides backup?
thanks
Go Kings!
On May 15, 2012, at 6:26 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:
On 16/05/12 01:02, Fletcher Cocquyt wrote:
This looks like exactly the level of snapshot + backup integration we've been looking for - especially for our 100's of VMs on Netapp NFS volumes.
http://www.netapp.com/us/products/protection-software/snapprotect.html
Can anyone offer any opinions on the product - especially integration with vmware and existing tape backups (eg Legato)
A quick google reveals it's a rebrand of CommVault Simpana. So NetApp has at least three different products for VM backups - VSC/SMVI, OnCommand Host/Core and SnapProtect, plus VIBE and SnapCreator.
What are your actual needs? Do you already have other SnapManager products? VSC/SMVI beats OnCommand in terms of single file restore, but requires scripting for SnapVault, and as far as I can tell both are going to be developed still. OnCommand is a nice SPOG if you have other SnapManager stuff, but OnCommand Host is pretty opaque sometimes.
Here we're using OnCommand, since it's a fairly new install, we're using SnapVault and I thought it was the natural successor to SMVI.
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On 16/05/12 12:51, Fletcher Cocquyt wrote:
It sounds like (from the product video link) SnapProtect would allow the snapshots to replace the incremental tape backups
And if there a feature to retain make a set of incremental snapshots look like a full backup we potentially decrease frequency of full tape backups - or we could do those to a Netapp SATA JBOD equivalent (with dedup enabled))
This is what we have - VMware consistent NetApp snapshots taken with OnCommand Host, then sent offsite using SnapVault to a 2040. The incrementals are accessible as full snapshots so you can just grab the full VMDKs, or use the GUIs for restore. We don't do tape at all.
I do know of a site that doesn't bother with VMware consistency, and just uses normal (crash-consistent) NetApp snapshots, which hasn't been a problem for them.
It feels, as always like there lack of integration or consolidation for these Netapp products - a missed opportunity.
There is a bit, they have a lot of features and you need to think about how they mix together.
You mentioned OnCommand - what feature provides backup?
OnCommand Core/Host Packages. As I also mentioned, there's also Virtual Storage Center/SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure. Both of these are seeing active product development apparently, so which one to choose depends on your needs. For pure VM backups VSC/SMVI is a bit better, but requires scripts for SnapVault, whereas OnCommand Core/Host (which used to be known as DFM/Operations Manager/Protection Manager) is better for SnapVault and showing other SnapManager backups. And then you have SnapProtect, which I don't know anything about except that it's based on CommVault and so is a more traditional backup system with NetApp integration.
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