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RE: Backup Exec on 760 NT filer
by Walsh, Warren (MN65) 17 Nov '00

17 Nov '00

We're happily using Backup Exec 8.0 in our NT/2000 environments (and NetBackup for the filers). There are agents, some licensed separately, some included with BE, for specific applications. IE, there are agents for Exchange and SQL that work with the MS APIs to flush the logs and perform an online backup of the database. There are accelerator agents available for NT, 2000, 95/98 platforms that have two benefits. In the case of a differential or incremental backup, the agents scan the local drives to determine what files need to be backed up. The agent also compresses the data as it is sent over the network to the backup server. The agent typically improves performance by 30% on our 100Mbit switched network. There are agents for the Mac and some UNIX flavors included with the advanced edition. A Novell agent can be purchased as well. A new requirement with Backup Exec 8.x and Windows 2000 is that Windows 2000 systems being backed up remotely must have the Backup Exec Windows 2000 agent to fully protect the "system state". I think this means the new Windows 2000 specifics like AD. There's no reason you couldn't use Backup Exec to backup a CIFS-enabled filer over the network. (You could probably even mount the NFS export on a UNIX server, and use the UNIX agent.) Backup Exec would treat the filer's UNC like any other NT share - if the Backup Exec account can access that share, it can back it up. Performance would be my big concern - Backup Exec doesn't stream or interleave jobs. Throughput over the network is typically 20-30GB/hour. You could run multiple jobs to multiple tape drives - i.e., backup vol1 to drive 1, vol2 to drive 2. I'm not sure how it would handle things like archive bits or UNIX style file permissions. -warren -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Lee [mailto:pat@patlee.org] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:46 AM To: Benn, Paul Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Backup Exec on 760 NT filer At 19:14 11/06/00, Benn, Paul wrote: >The latest versions of Veritas BackupExec (8.x) supposedly now require that all >backup clients have a backup agent installed. You can't install an agent on the >filer. Not true. I am using Backup Exec (8.0) to backup my Filer and it works fine. Installing an agent on an NT server would allow the backup to go significantly faster, however. Backing up over 100 Mbps LAN: Backup of Filer: 189 MB/minute Backup of Exchange server w/ agent: 332.7 MB/minute (local disks) Backup of SQL server w/ agent: 311.2 MB/minute (local disks)

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RE: Backup Exec on 760 NT filer
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 16 Nov '00

16 Nov '00

Databases generally back up much faster than file systems because they're, well, databases. They can stream data faster and you're also backing up one or two files instead of thousands to millions. They often compress much better as well and you see improvement in the transfer rate because with one drive your tape drive is the limiting factor. By compressing the data you get more data on to the tape in the same amount of time (i.e. if you're using DLT, with 5MB/sec native write speed, and you can compress 1.5:1, you're actually writing 7.5MB/sec). Backup Exec does work fine for backing up CIFS filers, but it all depends on how much data you have to back up. If you're backing up a couple hundred GB, it'll probably work. More than that, you probably want a more scalable solution (e.g., multiple tape drives spinning during a backup over GbE, or local attach NDMP backups). Mad Dog -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Lee [mailto:pat@patlee.org] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:46 AM To: Benn, Paul Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Backup Exec on 760 NT filer At 19:14 11/06/00, Benn, Paul wrote: >The latest versions of Veritas BackupExec (8.x) supposedly now require that all >backup clients have a backup agent installed. You can't install an agent on the >filer. Not true. I am using Backup Exec (8.0) to backup my Filer and it works fine. Installing an agent on an NT server would allow the backup to go significantly faster, however. Backing up over 100 Mbps LAN: Backup of Filer: 189 MB/minute Backup of Exchange server w/ agent: 332.7 MB/minute (local disks) Backup of SQL server w/ agent: 311.2 MB/minute (local disks)

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RE: Backup Exec on 760 NT filer
by Patrick Lee 16 Nov '00

16 Nov '00

At 19:14 11/06/00, Benn, Paul wrote: >The latest versions of Veritas BackupExec (8.x) supposedly now require that all >backup clients have a backup agent installed. You can't install an agent on the >filer. Not true. I am using Backup Exec (8.0) to backup my Filer and it works fine. Installing an agent on an NT server would allow the backup to go significantly faster, however. Backing up over 100 Mbps LAN: Backup of Filer: 189 MB/minute Backup of Exchange server w/ agent: 332.7 MB/minute (local disks) Backup of SQL server w/ agent: 311.2 MB/minute (local disks)

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by Thomas.L.White＠chase.com 16 Nov '00

16 Nov '00

when I do vol status : I get positive results, snap list indicates that all are being mirrored. but the three F840's involved in the "Mirror" scenario all still see these errors. The sizes look to be correct as well - anyone with any idea let me know. Wed Nov 15 13:01:00 EST [worker_thread]: The source filer requires a complete transfer. The destination volume is online and must be offline for a complete transfer.

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Feelings on 5.3.7?
by Jeffrey Krueger 16 Nov '00

16 Nov '00

A couple of us have already put out feelers for 5.3.7 and I've only seen limited public response. We've been running it in the lab and limited production for about two weeks now with no problems. So far everything we've heard from others has been positive. 1) Any customers with active bugs open on 5.3.7? 2) Anybody having problems with Veritas NBU + 5.3.7? 3) Any NetApp folks willing to say when 5.3.7 will be recommended? And backup vendors other than Veritas: DON'T CONTACT ME - I'M NOT INTERESTED! -- Jeff -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Krueger E-Mail: jeff(a)qualcomm.com Senior Engineer Phone: 858-651-6709 NetApp Filers / UNIX Infrastructure Fax: 858-651-6627 QUALCOMM, Inc. IT Engineering Web: www.qualcomm.com

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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Colm Buckley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

I wrote: > [... stuff about wasting mailing list space ...] > *twice* Argh. Apologies for that. The first attempt resulted in a bounce with "internal addresses only" or something, so I tried again using a different email address. Imagine my surprise, etc. etc. Colm -- Colm Buckley BA BF | NewWorld Commerce, 44 Westland Row, Dublin 2, Ireland colm(a)tuatha.org (personal) | colm.buckley(a)nwcgroup.com (business) +353 87 2469146 | whois cb3765 | http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Home is where you hang your @

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Legato releases NDMP support
by Dan Smith 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

I just saw this under Legato's news releases for today, looks like they are now offically supporting NDMP. Has anyone used this product yet? Wednesday November 15, 8:09 am Eastern Time Press Release Legato Systems Announces NDMP Solution for Fast, Reliable Data Protection of Network Appliance Storage Appliances http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/001115/ca_legato_.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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What is a PVR????
by Leigh David Heyman 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

On the netapp webpage for supported SCSI Tape drives it says that Sony AIT/AIT-2 drives require a PVR (and DoT > 5.3.4R2). What is a PVR? -Leigh

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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Peter Bodifee 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Sometimes people do indeed get carried away by emotion. What *is* relevant about my response posting (look at the subject:) is that Exchange doesn't and won't support NAS. This effects customers of NetApp, but also EMC, Microsoft, MTI, Compaq, IBM, H-P, etc.... That I happen to work for EMC was NOT relevant with respect to my initial response. But, hey, some people judge one's posting on where the poster gets it's salary and not what experience, knowledge the poster can contribute. So you have to work for a non-vendor or hide your personality with some fake email address and ip address in order to be taken seriously. Interesting, never looked at it that way. So much for this list being in spirit with the good ol' net. Peter --- Pete Ehlke <pde(a)ehlke.net> wrote: > Peter Bodifee (bodif36772(a)yahoo.com) said, on > [001114 20:13]: > > > > BTW, you are also an "expert" in hiding your > employer's identity (AT&T > > Canada) by using some obscure > > domain (risc.org), so what are you busting me for? > For giving my personal > > opinion to serve > > the IT user community without showing who pays my > salary? Have a life.... > > > The fact that I admin for shockwave.com, and used to > admin for Sony, is > not relevant to my postings here, and is not > relevant to my > occasional tweaking of netapp themselves. Nor is > Brian's employment at > AT&T. > > Your employment at EMC is a different matter > entirely, and falls > completely within the pattern we've seen from EMC > employees on this > list. If you can't tell the difference, then you've > got fewer ethics > than you do clues. > > *plonk* > > -Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Colm Buckley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Folks - I'm sure most of us would really appreciate it if the personalisation and bizarre "I know who you *really* are!" comments were kept off the toasters list. Most of us are experienced systems administrators and integrators, and you don't last long in those positions without being able to detect when someone is being genuine and when they're talking shite. Accusing someone of being a secret agent for EMC, or whatever other company, is completely off the wall. This is a discussion list not an advocacy list, and the only significant blip on the signal-to- noise ratio are these bizarre trips into ad-hominem land. Take it to personal mail, FFS. Colm (woo! accidental bricktext!) -- Colm Buckley BA BF | NewWorld Commerce, 44 Westland Row, Dublin 2, Ireland colm(a)tuatha.org (personal) | colm.buckley(a)nwcgroup.com (business) +353 87 2469146 | whois cb3765 | http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ There are many intelligent species in the universe, all owned by cats.

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