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Adopting Mac Clients
by Collins, Jim 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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Excluding files from NDMP backup
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Is there a way to exclude files from an NDMP backup? By this I'm asking both (1) A subdirectory of a volume or qtree that's being backed up (2) Files with specific extensions (e.g. *.pst files so you don't back up Exchange email archives) We're using Veritas NetBackup 3.4. Thanks, MD

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Andrew Siegel 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Thomas Heffron wrote: > > I have a client who is using the Helios Ethershare in production on a Sun > E6500. They are "resharing" the NFS mount to the Mac clients and are happy > as heck with it. We use Xinet's (http://www.xinet.com) KA-Share product to do exactly the same thing (i.e. mount an NFS file system and re-export it as AppleShare). I also did this at a previous job. Works very well. What's nice about the AppleShare re-exporting model (as opposed to putting CIFS or NFS on the Mac) is that there is nothing to install on the Macs -- they work natively with AppleShare, so you can put a brand-new, out-of-the-box Mac on your network and start downloading it immediately. I believe KA-Share runs on Sun, SGI, and HP. We use it on SGI. -- Andrew Siegel Head of Systems Blue Sky Studios, Inc. 44 South Broadway, 17th floor White Plains, NY 10601 914-259-6336 direct 914-259-6500 main 914-259-6499 fax abs(a)blueskystudios.com

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

If you're running ONTAP 5.x, start using DAVE, and then upgrade to 6.x, note that according to the "possible upgrade issues" for going to 6.0.x is If your filer is accessed by Macintosh computers using the DAVE client from Thursby Systems, the DAVE client starts using the new streams feature when this release of Data ONTAP is installed, and information that was stored in special resource.frk files is lost. To solve this problem, you should run the na_macstream program from a Windows client after the upgrade to this release of Data ONTAP is completed and before DAVE clients access any files. Instructions for obtaining, installing, and running the na_macstream program are included in the Start Here. MD -----Original Message----- From: Braunschweiger, Udo [mailto:udo@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:44 PM To: 'Thomas Heffron'; Collins Jim; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Hi all as far as I understood the thursby products, DAVE is CIFS Client for MacOS not an nfs Client software. Using netapp filer with cifs-only license, I can install DAVE on any Mac, that need access to the filer and it works. There is one restriction I read about with DAVE and Filer: "You cannot add, change or remove ACLs from the Mac. All privileges are working on the macintosh and the mac is integrated on the NT domain as NT workstation." (??) This requires a NT Domain Controller. You need OnTap Version 5.3 or newer and DAVE 2.5 or newer. The nfs Client Software from Thursby is called MACnfs. Regards Udo -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Heffron [mailto:theffron@wisedata.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 7. März 2001 17:11 To: Collins Jim; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Jim, I work for a NetApp reseller and have been involved in a few implementations with Mac clients. There's two ways to look at the issue. Do you want the Macs to "talk" directly to the NetApp or do you want them to go through an NT domain? In the first case, there are several third party NFS client software apps for Mac that work well. The DAVE client from Thursby systems is one that I'm familiar with. Remember that this requires an NFS license on the Filer and means you have to manage an NFS style database or mapping to the NT domain. The other case requires you to put the Mac clients in the NT domain and map the drives from the Mac directly. Two ways to look at this: 1) "Force" the Macs to "talk/interpret" in the NT space. 2) "Force" the NT domain server to "talk/interpret" for the Macs. The second option requires much overhead because you need to "reshare" the Filer's NT shares through the NT server with Mac services. (Remember - you can't install Mac services for NT on the Filer). On an additional note... The latest Macintosh OS (version 10) is built on a UNIX kernel and has the NFS client built into it. So the NFS solution may be best for the future. (After buying the Filer's NFS license - of course). Hope this helps. Thomas Heffron Sytems Engineer DataWise, Inc. theffron(a)datawise1.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Collins, Jim Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Braunschweiger, Udo 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Hi all Ethershare can provide MacPrinting Services on the Sun Box as well. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Siegel [mailto:abs@blueskystudios.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 7. Marz 2001 18:48 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Thomas Heffron wrote: > > I have a client who is using the Helios Ethershare in production on a Sun > E6500. They are "resharing" the NFS mount to the Mac clients and are happy > as heck with it. We use Xinet's (http://www.xinet.com) KA-Share product to do exactly the same thing (i.e. mount an NFS file system and re-export it as AppleShare). I also did this at a previous job. Works very well. What's nice about the AppleShare re-exporting model (as opposed to putting CIFS or NFS on the Mac) is that there is nothing to install on the Macs -- they work natively with AppleShare, so you can put a brand-new, out-of-the-box Mac on your network and start downloading it immediately. I believe KA-Share runs on Sun, SGI, and HP. We use it on SGI. -- Andrew Siegel Head of Systems Blue Sky Studios, Inc. 44 South Broadway, 17th floor White Plains, NY 10601 914-259-6336 direct 914-259-6500 main 914-259-6499 fax abs(a)blueskystudios.com

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Braunschweiger, Udo 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Hi all as far as I understood the thursby products, DAVE is CIFS Client for MacOS not an nfs Client software. Using netapp filer with cifs-only license, I can install DAVE on any Mac, that need access to the filer and it works. There is one restriction I read about with DAVE and Filer: "You cannot add, change or remove ACLs from the Mac. All privileges are working on the macintosh and the mac is integrated on the NT domain as NT workstation." (??) This requires a NT Domain Controller. You need OnTap Version 5.3 or newer and DAVE 2.5 or newer. The nfs Client Software from Thursby is called MACnfs. Regards Udo -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Heffron [mailto:theffron@wisedata.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 7. März 2001 17:11 To: Collins Jim; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Jim, I work for a NetApp reseller and have been involved in a few implementations with Mac clients. There's two ways to look at the issue. Do you want the Macs to "talk" directly to the NetApp or do you want them to go through an NT domain? In the first case, there are several third party NFS client software apps for Mac that work well. The DAVE client from Thursby systems is one that I'm familiar with. Remember that this requires an NFS license on the Filer and means you have to manage an NFS style database or mapping to the NT domain. The other case requires you to put the Mac clients in the NT domain and map the drives from the Mac directly. Two ways to look at this: 1) "Force" the Macs to "talk/interpret" in the NT space. 2) "Force" the NT domain server to "talk/interpret" for the Macs. The second option requires much overhead because you need to "reshare" the Filer's NT shares through the NT server with Mac services. (Remember - you can't install Mac services for NT on the Filer). On an additional note... The latest Macintosh OS (version 10) is built on a UNIX kernel and has the NFS client built into it. So the NFS solution may be best for the future. (After buying the Filer's NFS license - of course). Hope this helps. Thomas Heffron Sytems Engineer DataWise, Inc. theffron(a)datawise1.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Collins, Jim Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Benn, Paul 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Hello Jim, Many customers use a CIFS client from Thursby Software called Dave. Thursby also offer an NFS client. www.thursby.com Other than that, you'd need to use an NFS to AFP gateway product. We've not tested any of them but I do know that there are customers using some of these solutions (not in any specific order): 1) Apple OS X server (the command line version, which has been available for some time now) *might* be able to function as a gateway. 2) NetATalk is an open source AFP server 3) Helios Ethershare www.helios.de On a smaller scale, the Dave client is probably your best solution. There are no CIFS to AFP gateways that I've ever heard of. Microsoft SFM (Services for Macintosh), which ships with NT & Win2K, can't be fooled into using NAS as back end storage. :( Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Jim [mailto:JCollins@sandc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Benn, Paul 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Oh, and there's OS X (client) which should be available by the end of the month. It has command line support for NFS. -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Jim [mailto:JCollins@sandc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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cpu util during ndmp backup
by neil lehrer 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

hi, we are finally getting legato networker going with ndmp. my f760 is running 5.36r2. it has a directly attached spectralogic treefrog. the sysstat data below is running at 1 second intervals. the filer is not being used yet, we are testing. i notice a regular pattern of cpu util going from about 10 to 20 to 30 to 40% and then back down. then quiet at about 7% for about 10 seconds then up and down again. is this normal for backup? thanks. 7% 0 0 0 0 0 5328 0 0 5714 41 7% 0 0 0 1 0 5477 16 0 5658 41 7% 0 0 0 1 0 6152 0 0 6205 41 6% 0 0 0 1 0 5653 0 0 5843 41 CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 7% 0 0 0 0 0 5676 16 0 5407 41 7% 0 0 0 1 1 5645 0 0 6335 41 7% 0 0 0 1 0 5876 0 0 5960 41 7% 0 0 0 1 1 5456 16 0 5530 41 10% 0 1 0 1 1 6190 0 0 6150 41 22% 0 0 0 14 26 8312 0 0 8479 41 29% 0 0 0 14 26 12840 212 0 12485 41 41% 0 0 0 40 78 10868 0 0 10936 41 22% 0 0 0 14 26 9709 0 0 9533 41 28% 0 0 0 27 52 9820 16 0 9400 41 22% 0 0 0 14 25 11816 0 0 12349 41 10% 0 0 0 1 1 7207 0 0 7011 41 31% 0 0 0 27 52 9232 16 0 9400 41 12% 0 0 0 0 0 9305 0 0 9779 41 8% 0 0 0 1 0 6916 0 0 6820 41 9% 0 0 0 1 0 7471 16 0 7565 41 10% 0 0 0 1 0 7184 0 0 7864 41 11% 0 0 0 1 0 7223 188 0 7257 41 9% 0 0 0 1 0 7216 24 0 7188 41 8% 0 0 0 0 0 7000 0 0 7188 41 -- regards

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RE: Time to upgrade to Ontap 6
by Jankowski Ted-CTJ012 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

I asked NetApp the same question. The response I got was that WAT is only necessary for 6.0.0 only. So you don't need to run it for any of the current versions. -Ted -----Original Message----- From: Dianna Mullet [mailto:drmullet@link.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:46 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Time to upgrade to Ontap 6 A few months ago Netapp had me run a tool called WAT to determine whether or not my filers (F760's) could be upgraded to 6.0. I can't find any mention of that tool on now.netapp.com. Does Netapp still recommend running it, and if so, where can I get it? Dianna Mullet - Systems Architect Information Technology L-3 Communications Link Simulation & Training 817.619.3786

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