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RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Art Hebert 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Status so far. I decided to bypass the E0 network port and put another nic out of a pc I had in slot 5. I then tested in single mode and multi mode and everything worked great. I'll try out cluster failover tommorrow. Since I have each nic going to a different network card on my cisco 6509, I decided to hit the netapp from machines on each of the network cards on the cisco and instantly saw traffic on both interfaces. It only maxed at a 100mb thoughput and was distributed between the interfaces on the Netapp. I was hoping to be able to get double the performance. Is this a limitation of the bus or the virtual Interface? thanks art -----Original Message----- From: FPS France [mailto:fpsfrance@fps.fr] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:51 AM To: Art Hebert; Sam Cramer Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Vif and Cluster setup questions Hi, I think what Sam Cramer said about switch might be considered : > A multi-mode vif will, when attached to a switch or set of interfaces on > another host capable of trunking, balance network load across its > constituent links. Most switches distribute the load across the links by > hashing an incoming packet's source and destination address. Thus, if > incoming packets share the same source and destination address, they will > flow over the same link. This may be what is biting you here. Try to get an expert from the Cisco support to help you in knowing how to configure your Cisco 6509 switch, and the way you could make some tries to see if it works. Also , I wonder if you do not bad in using identical names for your devices (vif01 in both Filer). Also (again), try to use ifconfig only to set up the IP adress. Instead of : > ifconfig e6 mediatype 100tx-fd > ifconfig e0 mediatype 100tx-fd > vif create multi vif01 e6 e0 > ifconfig vif01 `hostname`-e6 mediatype 100tx-fd partner vif01 you could try : > ifconfig e6 mediatype 100tx-fd > ifconfig e0 mediatype 100tx-fd > vif create multi vif01 e6 e0 > ifconfig vif01 `hostname`-e6 partner vif02 At the end (not also), I noted in you sysconfig -v output that one of two interface was down. So to be sure you right use single or multi here is : - failover purpose : ifconfig e1... ifconfig e2... vif create single vifa e1 e2 vif favor e1 ifconfig vifa... - loadbalancing purpose : ifconfig e1... ifconfig e2... vif create multi vifa e1 e2 # no favor expected ifconfig vifa... Thank you to let us know how it works.

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RE: filer-mrtg on Solaris (Intel)
by Mohler, Jeff 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Go get ahold of rateup from the MRTG site, and compile it for your local system. -----Original Message----- From: Malek Hamdan [mailto:malek.hamdan@davnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:30 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: filer-mrtg on Solaris (Intel) Hi all, Has anyone been successful in getting filer-mrtg working on Solaris (x86) ?? The rateup binary is for Sparc Solaris and using the latest rateup binary (mrtg 2.9.12) does not seem to work. I keep getting this error: PROBLEM: rateup died from Signal 8 with Exit Value 0 when doing router 'filer1.net.snmp' If this happens all the time, you should probably investigate the cause. :-) Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong?? Kind Regards, MH

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RE: OT - swag
by Knight, Graham 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Back in my days as a customer I attended a CIFS conference at Netapp headquarters. After the conference I was offered a beautiful black leather jacket for participating. ARRRGH!! It was something my company would not allow me to accept (government contracts and the like). Now that I work at Netapp I get the occasional shirt, some of them I'd even wear in public. But I often wonder what happened to that jacket I had to turn down.... Maybe it's the one that Jeff is wearing. :-) Graham -----Original Message----- From: Palmer, Jason (London) [mailto:jason.palmer@wcom.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:33 PM To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: RE: OT - swag I got the T-Shirt, but it is falling to bits after a year of frequent use... Maybe it would be a good idea to inlcude some kind of merchandise cost in the support contract that is renewed for the hardware. Adding another $10 on would not be noticed at all... I love wearing my T-Shirt to meetings with EMC :p The EMC sales guys don't look very impressed when they see it ! -- Jason -----Original Message----- From: Kitch, David [mailto:dkitch@ti.com] Sent: 20 April 2001 20:21 To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: RE: OT - swag They haven't given out jackets in years. The last I heard, it's still a bag or a shirt. -- David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Galloway [mailto:mgx@ornl.gov] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:04 PM To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: Re: OT - swag humph! i was just thinking i'd sign up for the two admin classes, but now i'm not so sure. the leather jacket is sweet! -- michael On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chuck Ross wrote: > > Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a > travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. > > Chuck Ross > > > > > > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > > proud owner of a > > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > > in my whole > > wardrobe. > >

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REMOVE
by Ching Chuan Kuo 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

REMOVE

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RE: data migration
by Sims, Aaron 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

ndmpcopy is the best data migration method based on the situation you described. ndmpcopy will have to be run from a Unix system. This is basically the migration controller. You can do a rdist style refresh (like a incremental backup), just use the -level 0 option for the initial copy, then you can do -level 1 (up to 9) for your incrementals. Best method is to setup crossover GbE between the filers. HTH, Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonard, Roger [mailto:Roger.Leonard@marconi.com] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:18 PM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: data migration > > > i have 4 filers (330's and a 540) that i need to migrate to > one 840. the > 840 is brand new with lots of empty 72GB disks and space is > not an issue. > we were initially going to use snapmirror, however the old > machines have > volumes of varying sizes, from 120GB on up to 400+. with the > 72gb drives, > we would have some inefficent raid groups if we did a > volume-volume copy. > plus i want to shuffle and shift the data around during this move. a > "refreshable" copy at the qtree or directory level from old > filer to the new > is what we need. it looks like ndmpcopy will support this. > has anyone > ever used this? is this something we can do from the filer > CLI?? i didn't > see anything at the help prompt. maybe we need to download > ndmpcopy and do > it from solaris after starting ndmpd on the filers? my > downtime would be > minimal as well, so a quickly refreshable (ala rdist) copy is > needed. any > thoughts would be appreciated. > > thanks > > Roger D. Leonard >

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data migration
by Leonard, Roger 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

i have 4 filers (330's and a 540) that i need to migrate to one 840. the 840 is brand new with lots of empty 72GB disks and space is not an issue. we were initially going to use snapmirror, however the old machines have volumes of varying sizes, from 120GB on up to 400+. with the 72gb drives, we would have some inefficent raid groups if we did a volume-volume copy. plus i want to shuffle and shift the data around during this move. a "refreshable" copy at the qtree or directory level from old filer to the new is what we need. it looks like ndmpcopy will support this. has anyone ever used this? is this something we can do from the filer CLI?? i didn't see anything at the help prompt. maybe we need to download ndmpcopy and do it from solaris after starting ndmpd on the filers? my downtime would be minimal as well, so a quickly refreshable (ala rdist) copy is needed. any thoughts would be appreciated. thanks Roger D. Leonard

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OT - swag
by Chuck Ross 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. Chuck Ross > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > in my whole > wardrobe. > > -- Jeff > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Leif Nixon wrote: > > "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> writes: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > > > > > Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my > > > new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the > > > Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not > > > receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! > > > > Yes, you might want to consider that. > > > > A couple of months ago I added a new 36-gigger to my F720 setup, and > > since I failed to notice the little sticker on the bottom > of the disk > > about supported ONTAP versions, the filer halted and production > > stopped. Ouch. > > > > Not two hours later I received an overseas FedEx package containing > > a NetApp sweater. Now that's service! > > > > -- > > Leif Nixon Sysadm/developer Ericsson SoftLab AB > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > E-mail: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se Phone: +46 13 23 57 61 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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Re: How would you respond to this -Reply -Reply
by Timothy Cook 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Humorously enough, since I posted my response to Chris, I have actually received 2 shirts. One came from a vendor (who monitors this forum) whose software I am presently evaluating (thank you Donna and Judy), and the other came from ..... Well, perhaps I had better not say. Suffuce it to say that the next time a Netapp sales rep comes around he may discover that some of his competitors are not so cheap with the swag! >>> "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> 04/20/01 08:35am >>> Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! For the benefit of you netapp guys who monitor this board, I wear an Extra Large. Of course, in Netapps defense, I've never received any EMC shirts either. (p.s. don't bother with the boxer shorts, I won't wear them) >>> Chris Lamb <skeezics(a)measurecast.com> 04/19/01 07:00pm >>> My story about EMC is rather different, I guess. Some local EMC reps scheduled a visit with my boss and came to visit us a while back. I wore not one but _two_ NetApp shirts that day - the very cool engineering shirt (black pre-F630 shirt with Mothra on the back) and the snazzy denim Land's End shirt with the embroidered logo on it. The night before I printed a copy of the recent INPUT survey, highlighting the part where I'm quoted (anonymously), and left it on my boss's chair. He brought it to the meeting. They arrived. I smiled and shook hands and did the business card thing. We sat down at the conference table. They asked their questions, and I politely answered them. It went something like this: "What about reliability?" they asked. "I've been running NetApps since 1995, and to the best of my recollection I have never once lost data due to hardware or software failure," I replied. "Yes, but what about uptime?" they inquired. "alexandria> uptime 3:32pm up 187 days, 14:10 1162740653 NFS ops, 129052586 CIFS ops, 0 HTTP ops colossus> uptime 3:32pm up 171 days, 8:48 1692312427 NFS ops, 0 CIFS ops, 0 HTTP ops", was my reply. "Expandability?" they suggested. "I have 21 free slots for more disks - I bought the box with extra shelves and a 2nd controller so that I could grow it on-line without any need for downtime. I can grow our box to > 1TB without even thinking hard." "Performance!" they pleaded. "My Oracle DBA is happy, and says he can't see a difference between the 760 and a locally-attached dual-loop A5200. Besides, with a head-swap we can trade up to the 800-series, or cluster, or trade-up and then cluster, and I've got all the slots I need to add extra Gigabit cards..." "Yes, but our 'phone home' support feature and customer service are second to none!" they intoned. "Actually," I said, "your story about the hardware tech showing up on a Saturday with a replacement disk for a demo machine reminds me of a similar incident... one day a box arrived unexpectedly from Netapp with a replacement drive in it, which puzzled us because we hadn't reported a failure. But sure enough, we walked into the server room and one of the disk canisters had a red light on. Five minutes later we swapped it out and that was that. Sure a lot cheaper than sending a field circus guy out to do a job that any basic systems operator can do." (Ouch, that stung a bit, but hey, I _like_ playing with the hardware, and if I have one complaint about the reliability of my filers it's that after I bolt it into the rack and plug it in, I don't get to fool around with it much. That's a blessing, of course. :-) "And as for service, a funny thing happened in the middle of the night a few months back, when I was innocently rearranging some power cords to balance the load on a split-phase UPS, oblivious to the fact that the 'autosupport' emails were being sent out. Imagine my surprise when an email arrived 20 minutes later from the Netherlands, asking if I needed to have a replacement power supply shipped..." They got the point. Clearly, they weren't going to make a sale that day. :-) But we listened to their presentation, and had a pleasant enough chat, and that was that. I had done my homework about their product line, too, and I think they knew it. They didn't try to BS me, and they didn't try to badmouth Netapp. So I can't comment on whether or not this is typical behavior from EMC reps, but my experience wasn't at all negative. Mostly, though, it's the shirts. If my vendors didn't clothe me I'd have nothing to wear! :-) -- Chris (still waiting for NetApp boxer shorts) -- Chris Lamb, Unix Guy MeasureCast, Inc. 503-241-1469 x247 <skeezics(a)measurecast.com>

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Re: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Sam Cramer 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

"FPS France" <fpsfrance(a)fps.fr> writes: > Also , I wonder if you do not bad in using identical names for your > devices (vif01 in both Filer). This shouldn't cause a problem. Using identical vif names on each node in a cluster is common, and I'm not aware of any bug arising from it. Sam

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Re: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Colm Buckley 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> Hey! You guys got a knife? Geez. We should start up a list of stuff > sorted by gee-wow value so that we can each find out where we stand > with Net App... One grey T-shirt. (Thanks, Matt!) Even though I've adopted a policy of "all of my employers are belong to NetApp" - can't be without my trusty toasters, wherever I go... okay, admittedly my employers can only generally go for things like single F720s, but it's the *principle* that counts. Trade shows and expos really don't have the quality of swag these days; last year's "eXpo" in Dublin (software centre of Europe, and all that) netted me one T-shirt (thanks again, Matt!), a couple of pens, and heaps of squeezy rubber desk toys (just missed out on the Corel inflatable Tux penguins). Even five years ago, you could count on a couple of Microsoft t-shirts (for defacing as appropriate) and the occasional Cool Inflatable Thing. Ah well. Colm (*sigh*) -- Colm Buckley, NewWorld Commerce, 16 South Cumberland St., Dublin 2, Ireland. Personal: +353 87 2469146 / colm(a)tuatha.org / http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Business: +353 1 4334334 / colm(a)nwcgroup.com / http://www.nwcgroup.com/ I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

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