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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Joe Luchtenberg 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Be careful about snapshots, if you're trying to save space. -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee [mailto:edwardlee60@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:23 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer We have a lot of data that users need to store on the filer, but may not need on a daily basis. I'm just trying to find, space saving measures. -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com'" <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com>, >"'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:12:43 -0400 > >Edward, > >What are you trying to accomplish? Backup, multiple users, online, etc. > >We are both making assumptions about what the end goal is. > >-- We would all be crawling if we just stuck with what we know. > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Luchtenberg <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> >To: 'Michael Rogan' <mrogan(a)rim.net>; 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com' ><edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' ><toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 11:37:51 2001 >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer > >Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but >if >he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux >into his data center? Who would admin the box? >In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with >what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to >largely automate the process. > >Joe > >Joe Luchtenberg >Dataline, Inc. >757-858-0600 >757-285-1223 (mobile) >757-858-0606 (fax) >joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com >www.data-line.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM >To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > > >SMB=CIFS. > >I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a >Linux > >box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT >shop. > >any other suggestions? > >-Eddie > > > >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> > >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, > >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > > > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a >file > >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the > >filer. > >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the > >filesystem. > > > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > > > >MJR > > > > > >-------------------------- > >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> > >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 > >Subject: Data compression on the filer > > > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data > >on > > > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > > > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do >this? > >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp > >suggested. > > > >-Eddie > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Edward Lee 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

We have a lot of data that users need to store on the filer, but may not need on a daily basis. I'm just trying to find, space saving measures. -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com'" <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com>, >"'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:12:43 -0400 > >Edward, > >What are you trying to accomplish? Backup, multiple users, online, etc. > >We are both making assumptions about what the end goal is. > >-- We would all be crawling if we just stuck with what we know. > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Luchtenberg <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> >To: 'Michael Rogan' <mrogan(a)rim.net>; 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com' ><edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' ><toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 11:37:51 2001 >Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer > >Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but >if >he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux >into his data center? Who would admin the box? >In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with >what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to >largely automate the process. > >Joe > >Joe Luchtenberg >Dataline, Inc. >757-858-0600 >757-285-1223 (mobile) >757-858-0606 (fax) >joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com >www.data-line.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM >To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > > >SMB=CIFS. > >I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). > >MJR > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a >Linux > >box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT >shop. > >any other suggestions? > >-Eddie > > > >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> > >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, > >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > > > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a >file > >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the > >filer. > >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the > >filesystem. > > > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > > > >MJR > > > > > >-------------------------- > >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> > >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> > >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 > >Subject: Data compression on the filer > > > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data > >on > > > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > > > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do >this? > >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp > >suggested. > > > >-Eddie > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Michael Rogan 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Edward, What are you trying to accomplish? Backup, multiple users, online, etc. We are both making assumptions about what the end goal is. -- We would all be crawling if we just stuck with what we know. MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> To: 'Michael Rogan' <mrogan(a)rim.net>; 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com' <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 11:37:51 2001 Subject: RE: Data compression on the filer Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but if he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux into his data center? Who would admin the box? In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to largely automate the process. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer SMB=CIFS. I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: Microsoft Cluster Server and Netapps
by Morgan, Joshua 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

My 2 Cents since that's about all it's worth ;) We use Legato Cluster to Cluster 2 SQL Server machines using the Netapps Box. I currently have them in Active/Passive. It works great when one server fails the other server takes over. The only caveat w/ the filer is I have to run a RSH script before SQL Server starts to release the lock from the downed machine. Fail over typically takes about a minute. Joshua Morgan PH: (864) 331-7939 jmorgan(a)trivergent.com

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RE: Data compression on the filer
by Joe Luchtenberg 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Yes SMB=CIFS and the Linux box solution will work in his environment, but if he doesn't have any Unix expertise, what sense does it make to add Linux into his data center? Who would admin the box? In keeping with the NetApp approach to life, simple is good. Stick with what you know -- NT. Try winzip. You could probably write some scripts to largely automate the process. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Rogan [mailto:mrogan@rim.net] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:56 AM To: 'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer SMB=CIFS. I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Data compression on the filer
by Michael Rogan 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

SMB=CIFS. I'm sorry to hear about your NT problem :-). MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 10:12:10 2001 Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Data compression on the filer
by Edward Lee 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Hey Micheal, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately we don't have a Linux box and we're running only CIFS sessions on the filer, we're an all NT shop. any other suggestions? -Eddie >From: Michael Rogan <mrogan(a)rim.net> >To: "'edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com'" <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com>, >"'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Re: Data compression on the filer >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:12:03 -0400 > >You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file >that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the >filer. >Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the >filesystem. > >Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. > >MJR > > >-------------------------- >Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 >Subject: Data compression on the filer > >I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data >on > >the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) > >Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? >Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp >suggested. > >-Eddie >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Data compression on the filer
by Michael Rogan 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

You could use a Linux box to mount the filer with NFS or SMB. Create a file that would be used as the compressed (or encrypted) filesystem on the filer. Use a special mount program to do the compression and to mount the filesystem. Then export the filesystem from the Linux box as NFS and/or SMB. MJR -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lee <edwardlee60(a)hotmail.com> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Jun 22 07:24:53 2001 Subject: Data compression on the filer I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data on the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp suggested. -Eddie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Data compression on the filer
by Edward Lee 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

I was told that there is no native tool on the filer that compresses data on the volumes (like you would on a hard drive) Is there any 3rd party utils that anyone has encountered that can do this? Otherwise, I was thinking I would just use winzip as someone from netapp suggested. -Eddie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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34F+ & 36F impact on snapmirror
by NicholosC＠maxis.net.my 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

All, Had an original F740 with two full shelves of 36F disks. Added a new F740 (for snapmirror purpose) with the same configuration but it came with the new 34F+ disks. Configured the new filer with the identical volume configuration for snapmirror. Original filer was running 5.3.7r3 while the new filer is running 6.1r1 because of the requirement of 34F+ disks. My issues are: (1) Anybody has the information on the "right-size" of the 34F+ disk? My understanding is that 36F has 34,500 KB. The yellow flyer says that 34F+ has lesser capacity but that does not help very much, how much lesser? (2) Because of the lesser capacity (I guess), the target volume can not be snapmirrored. I have to rearrange the volume configuration making the target volumes by one disk more than the source volume, only after that the snapmirror went through. The intention of the snapmirror is for disaster recovery. In the event that the source filer is not available, the target filer will be changed from snapmirrored status to regular volume. When the original source filer is ready for operation again, what is the best practice to move the data back? (3) Snapmirror back on the reverse direction would not work because now the original source filer volume is smaller than the original target volume. (4) Would vol copy falls into the same restriction of target volume has to be equal or larger? In my case, they could not be equal because of one is using 36F and the other is using 34F+. Thanks in advanced for your comments/suggestions. Nic

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