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RE: best backup for netapps
by Sphar, Mike 17 May '05

17 May '05

Probably the best question is what exactly do you want these backups for? To be able to restore files people mistakenly delete/corrupt? For full-on disaster recovery? For long-term archiving? I think for the first one, various online or near-offline solutions like you've mentioned (ndmp to another server, etc) are probably fine, but then you could probably do just as well by just relying on snapshots and keep it simple. My personal opinion, which others might disagree with, is that for disaster recovery and *especially* for long-term archiving, you really need good offline storage like tapes. Something you can have shipped to a storage facility buried in a mountain somewhere. With enough money you could have multiple netapps around the country/world with snapmirror or somesuch replicating between them, which is great for DR too, but in the end I'm just not comfortable without something offline to fall back on. Imo the best solution is good backup software and a large automated tape library, but it's not going to be cheap. Even just the tapes can be a huge expense. We're still doing backups over NFS here, largely because when we tried doing NDMP a few years ago it just did not seem ready for prime time, we had too many problems. I'm very much interested in trying NDMP again though, as backing up over NFS is not the most efficient solution. I admit though, I've been in this business a long time and I'm a bit old-fashioned. Other people might be more comfortable than I am with relying entirely on hard drives for disaster recovery. -- Michael W. Sphar - IS&T - Lead Systems Administrator SMBU Engineering Support Services, BMC Software -----Original Message----- From: Constantin Bogomolnyi [mailto:const@carpediem.fr] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:32 PM To: Fox, Adam Cc: Constantin Bogomolnyi; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: best backup for netapps Yep , i was ready to bet on it , but how do you want us to backup big netapps ? i have around 2T of videos so it will take _a_lot_ of tapes , and time to backup this . I can always setup a linux nfs server and use ndmp to backup it by a dedicated giga card , buts its a lot of complications . I think backup is a real problem with current huge volumes and cheap ide drives are cheaper than tapes (or close to the tapes) . Cb On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:07:41AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > The filer probably will not accept and it is certainly not supported to > hook up any other > RAID arrays to a filer. There is no device support for it. > > -- Adam Fox > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Constantin Bogomolnyi [mailto:const@carpediem.fr] > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:42 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: best backup for netapps > > Hello, > > I'm wondering what is the best backup system for saving big netapps we > have tried alot of solutions , but we finished by running 3 sets of > netapp in snapmirror so A(master) replicates to B and C (slaves) all > have now raid_dp enabled and spare around . So we have realtime B and C > backups (we may cluster A and B) . > > But as its quite expensive "backup" i'm looking for some classic backup > with tapes for example but i know from the past that tapes can be big > pain to manage (specialy as we have around 2.5T of data on A) > > Anybody have some "tape backup" that realy works ? > > sub question : anybody have tried to attach a cheap ide raid shelf to > scsi port of the netapp and use it as backup ? > > today its cheap to have 14x300 gig ide disk array with scsi port , so it > could be better than tapes if its directly attached to the netapp , nan > ? > > > Best regards > cb > >

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Re: best backup for netapps
by Constantin Bogomolnyi 17 May '05

17 May '05

Yep , i was ready to bet on it , but how do you want us to backup big netapps ? i have around 2T of videos so it will take _a_lot_ of tapes , and time to backup this . I can always setup a linux nfs server and use ndmp to backup it by a dedicated giga card , buts its a lot of complications . I think backup is a real problem with current huge volumes and cheap ide drives are cheaper than tapes (or close to the tapes) . Cb On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:07:41AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > The filer probably will not accept and it is certainly not supported to > hook up any other > RAID arrays to a filer. There is no device support for it. > > -- Adam Fox > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Constantin Bogomolnyi [mailto:const@carpediem.fr] > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:42 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: best backup for netapps > > Hello, > > I'm wondering what is the best backup system for saving big netapps we > have tried alot of solutions , but we finished by running 3 sets of > netapp in snapmirror so A(master) replicates to B and C (slaves) all > have now raid_dp enabled and spare around . So we have realtime B and C > backups (we may cluster A and B) . > > But as its quite expensive "backup" i'm looking for some classic backup > with tapes for example but i know from the past that tapes can be big > pain to manage (specialy as we have around 2.5T of data on A) > > Anybody have some "tape backup" that realy works ? > > sub question : anybody have tried to attach a cheap ide raid shelf to > scsi port of the netapp and use it as backup ? > > today its cheap to have 14x300 gig ide disk array with scsi port , so it > could be better than tapes if its directly attached to the netapp , nan > ? > > > Best regards > cb > >

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RE: wired mesg on old netapp : DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE
by Venkat Appineni 13 May '05

13 May '05

I believe the following option Options autosupport.support.transport is set to http Change that to smtp and make sure your mailhost accepts messages from the filer and relays out to autosupport(a)netapp.com -Venkat -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Mohler Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:49 AM To: Constantin Bogomolnyi; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: wired mesg on old netapp : DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE Its trying to send an ASUP with a disk firmware needed update alert..and cant. It could be that the ASUP was generated after the upgrade, but before the firmware was upgraded...and therefore there is no problem. On 5/13/05 11:26 AM, "Constantin Bogomolnyi" <const(a)carpediem.fr> wrote: > hello, > > anybody have any idea what does this mean ? > > Fri May 13 18:19:52 GMT [asup.post.host:info]: Autosupport > (DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE) cannot connect to url > support.netapp.com/asupprod/post/1.0/postAsup (Operation not permitted) > > i see this on an old netapp > > but the os is new (i reinstalled it) with last disk firwares around > > thanks > cb >

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wired mesg on old netapp : DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE
by Constantin Bogomolnyi 13 May '05

13 May '05

hello, anybody have any idea what does this mean ? Fri May 13 18:19:52 GMT [asup.post.host:info]: Autosupport (DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE) cannot connect to url support.netapp.com/asupprod/post/1.0/postAsup (Operation not permitted) i see this on an old netapp but the os is new (i reinstalled it) with last disk firwares around thanks cb

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Re: wired mesg on old netapp : DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE
by Davin Milun 13 May '05

13 May '05

At 20:26, on May 13, 2005, Constantin Bogomolnyi wrote: > hello, > > anybody have any idea what does this mean ? > > Fri May 13 18:19:52 GMT [asup.post.host:info]: Autosupport (DISK_FIRMWARE_NEEDED_UPDATE) cannot connect to url support.netapp.com/asupprod/post/1.0/postAsup (Operation not permitted) > > i see this on an old netapp > > but the os is new (i reinstalled it) with last disk firwares around > > thanks > cb It's trying to upload autosupport to netapp by http, and failing. If you want autosupport to go to netapp by email, do options autosupport.support.transport smtp Davin.

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by Yuri Krakov 13 May '05

13 May '05

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Re: So where is 7.0.1 now?
by Chris Thompson 13 May '05

13 May '05

William Holland wrote: > I took a look at the NOW site this morning and 7.0.1 is there. Well, I just took a look, and if you try to download it you get a polite message | Release Not Available | | Dear Customer, | | Network Appliance apologizes for any inconvenience, but for technical | reasons, Data ONTAP 7.0.1 is no longer available. A replacement release, | Data ONTAP 7.0.1R1, will be made available the week of May 16th. | | For any further questions please contact Network Appliance Global Services | or open a case. (which is certainly less confusing than the state earlier in the week). Earlier I wrote: > So what was the awful bug in 7.0.1 that resulted in it being pulled > at (or after) the last moment? Will we ever be told? :-) Having taken a look at bug 160433 (severity 1), I suspect it's that. -- Chris Thompson Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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RE: So where is 7.0.1 now?
by Durnbaugh, Dave 13 May '05

13 May '05

look for 7.0.1R1 in the next day or two... -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:04 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: So where is 7.0.1 now? Hmm... looks like OnTap 7.0.1 has been pulled from now.netapp.com, anyone know why? It's still listed as available, but it says it's pulled when you try to actually get it. NetApp seems to be suggesting 7.0.0.1P6 as the version to go with right now. John John Stoffel - Senior Staff Systems Administrator - System LSI Group Toshiba America Electronic Components, Inc. - http://www.toshiba.com/taec john.stoffel(a)taec.toshiba.com - 508-486-1087 This message, including any attachments, contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission.

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So where is 7.0.1 now?
by John Stoffel 12 May '05

12 May '05

Hmm... looks like OnTap 7.0.1 has been pulled from now.netapp.com, anyone know why? It's still listed as available, but it says it's pulled when you try to actually get it. NetApp seems to be suggesting 7.0.0.1P6 as the version to go with right now. John John Stoffel - Senior Staff Systems Administrator - System LSI Group Toshiba America Electronic Components, Inc. - http://www.toshiba.com/taec john.stoffel(a)taec.toshiba.com - 508-486-1087

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