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RE: Replacing our NetApp
by Hill, Aaron 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

I always like hearing others preaching the "latest release" mantra. Tells me there are lots of people doing my production testing for me. Thankyou, this has mitigated much of my risk and helped NetApp get a 7G release to GD. 7.0.1R1 was a latest release at one stage and I remember most of our NetApp representatives telling us we should migrate to 7G. NoSireeBob! 6.5.6 has been reasonably solid and it gives us all the features we need right now thankyou very much. Now, if you told me that SpinOS was fully integrated in 7G, the case would be somewhat more compelling. Alas, I must grow old waiting for 8G or later :( Now that 7.0.3 is GD (Jan 24th), we will start reviewing the bugs outstanding and assess the risk to our environment. A quick search of the outstanding NOW site shows me 20 pages of bugs (400+) in 7.0.3 that are Severity 1, 2 or 3. If I conservatively consider only 5% of these to be a potential match to my environment, it is still 20 bugs too many that could impact my SLA's. On second thoughts, I will probably stay on 6.5.6 a little longer. Feel free to tell me I am being paranoid .... I am, and it is proving to be lucrative. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: Friday, 3 February 2006 2:35 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp Always go with the latest available release :) We've also had problems with our filers (I think 6 bugs in the 6 weeks I've been here)... however, we're running 7.0.0.1 which was pretty abysmal as far as reliability. 7.0.4 should be the new Safe Harbor release when it comes out - it will do much for stability. As for the quota bug(s), I think there is still one that exists in 7.0.4, but will probably be addressed with a P release. Personally, I'd feel comfortable with upgrading to 7.0.4 for our enterprise, but also looking at 7.1 when it gets cooked a bit more - some good enhancements for Exchange in that release. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:42 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp John: You're behind on your OS rev. Most of the bad bugs are out of OnTap7. I've got tons of clients on it working happily- and we're doing lots of the 'tough' stuff, like qtree and volume snapMirror, snapvault, quotas, iSCSI, FCP, NFS and CIFS, all on the same box and aggregates. Clean as a whistle. I agree that 7.0.1R1 was scratchy- I believe there was a netapp tech bulletin telling people to get off that rev. -Glenn Dekhayser Voyant Strategies, Inc. >The one that makes the most sense for my needs. After my problems >with OnTap 7.0.1R1 and quotas and qtrees earlier this week, I'm a bit >leary of NetApp right now. OnTap 7G is still shaking out major >bugs... ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: Visio diagrams...
by Maglinger, Paul 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

That, and more... http://www.mvps.org/visio/3rdparty.htm ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Nishikawa Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:13 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Visio diagrams... Hey there Does anyone know where I can get some Visio stencils that represent the various NetApp boxes? I want to diagram our NAS/SAN setup in our colo. Also, does anyone know where I can get some good Visio stencils that represent logical volumes and such? Thanks KEN

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RE: Visio diagrams...
by Holland, William L 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

<http://now.netapp.com/eservice/toolchest?toolid=295> http://now.netapp.com/eservice/toolchest?toolid=295 to download the Visio 2000 templates. _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:knishikawa@keepmedia.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:36 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Visio diagrams... Hey there Does anyone know where I can get some Visio stencils that represent the various NetApp boxes? I want to diagram our NAS/SAN setup in our colo. Also, does anyone know where I can get some good Visio stencils that represent logical volumes and such? Thanks KEN

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Re: Visio diagrams...
by Glenn Marsh 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

See http://now.netapp.com/NOW/download/tools/visio/ Also check out http://www.visiocafe.com/ for others ************************************************************************ Glenn Marsh Lattice Semiconductor Corporation Unix Systems Administrator 5555 NE Moore Court CAD Engineering Hillsboro, Oregon 97124 glenn.marsh(a)latticesemi.com 503-268-8000 503-268-8136 phone - 503-268-8459 fax ************************************************************************

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Visio diagrams...
by Ken Nishikawa 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Hey there Does anyone know where I can get some Visio stencils that represent the various NetApp boxes? I want to diagram our NAS/SAN setup in our colo. Also, does anyone know where I can get some good Visio stencils that represent logical volumes and such? Thanks KEN

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RE: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp
by Callaway, Michael 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

He's right, the traditional volumes will not be able to be upgraded. You have to have the room to migrate your storage over. We used a SnapMirror to new discs to accomplish our migration. That's the only small drawback to the 7.x flex vols. Everything else about them is golden. We have used NetApp for many years and use them in many creative ways, but the flex vols have opened up new worlds to us. You will want to check with your rep and make sure you are running the proper release. 7.x comes in a few flavors, some may be better for one part of your environment and some for others. Thanks, Michael NTTA/IT http://www.ntta.org 214.461.2033 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Langenbach Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:30 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp I installed 7.1 on three 270, two 920 and on two 3020 (Metro)clusters all with iSCSI, FC, SQL, Exchange, Oracle (CIFS/NFS/SAN), Snapmirror/SnapVault not one problem so far but we don't use quotas don't wait for an inplace migration from traditional to flex volume you won't get it Herbert Langenbach Senior Technical Consultant Databasement bv tel: 079 361 97 65 mobile: 06 23 352 168 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wargel [mailto:mwargel@cstor.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:51 PM To: Pichardo, Socrates; Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp We've been running 7G for a few months now with only one CIFS issue that was resolved by 7.03. Have setup Aggregates, flex vols, snapmirror, snapvault, CIFS, NFS, iSCSI, quotas, qtrees, ATA disks, clusters all on 7G. Have done several 6.x to 7G upgrades as well recently with migration to flexvols without any issues. Now if only NetApp were to come out with 7G that allowed an inplace migration from traditional to flex vols... Mike Wargel Senior Systems Engineer Custom Storage, Inc mwargel(a)customstorage.com O: 480 941-4026, x101 C: 602 690-4788 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Pichardo, Socrates Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:26 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp We have been running OnTap 7G for a few months now without any significant glitches. We are using snapshots, snapmirror, NDMP, CIFS, iSCSI, Flex Vols, Flex Clones and Aggregates on clustered heads. Socrates Pichardo Transatlantic Reinsurance Co. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:42 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp John: You're behind on your OS rev. Most of the bad bugs are out of OnTap7. I've got tons of clients on it working happily- and we're doing lots of the 'tough' stuff, like qtree and volume snapMirror, snapvault, quotas, iSCSI, FCP, NFS and CIFS, all on the same box and aggregates. Clean as a whistle. I agree that 7.0.1R1 was scratchy- I believe there was a netapp tech bulletin telling people to get off that rev. -Glenn Dekhayser Voyant Strategies, Inc. >The one that makes the most sense for my needs. After my problems with >OnTap 7.0.1R1 and quotas and qtrees earlier this week, I'm a bit leary >of NetApp right now. OnTap 7G is still shaking out major bugs... "IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments hereto) is confidential and may be protected by legal privileges and work product immunities. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient is not a waiver of any attorney-client or work product privilege. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Transatlantic Reinsurance Company or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use."

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RE: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp
by Varghese, John 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

You may not be able to run a seamless transfer from trad to flexvol using just NetAPP; however, if you are using complimentary software such as VFM or even hardware such as Acopia you can do it. I think it only works with NAS though. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Langenbach Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:30 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp I installed 7.1 on three 270, two 920 and on two 3020 (Metro)clusters all with iSCSI, FC, SQL, Exchange, Oracle (CIFS/NFS/SAN), Snapmirror/SnapVault not one problem so far but we don't use quotas don't wait for an inplace migration from traditional to flex volume you won't get it Herbert Langenbach Senior Technical Consultant Databasement bv tel: 079 361 97 65 mobile: 06 23 352 168 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wargel [mailto:mwargel@cstor.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:51 PM To: Pichardo, Socrates; Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp We've been running 7G for a few months now with only one CIFS issue that was resolved by 7.03. Have setup Aggregates, flex vols, snapmirror, snapvault, CIFS, NFS, iSCSI, quotas, qtrees, ATA disks, clusters all on 7G. Have done several 6.x to 7G upgrades as well recently with migration to flexvols without any issues. Now if only NetApp were to come out with 7G that allowed an inplace migration from traditional to flex vols... Mike Wargel Senior Systems Engineer Custom Storage, Inc mwargel(a)customstorage.com O: 480 941-4026, x101 C: 602 690-4788 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Pichardo, Socrates Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:26 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp We have been running OnTap 7G for a few months now without any significant glitches. We are using snapshots, snapmirror, NDMP, CIFS, iSCSI, Flex Vols, Flex Clones and Aggregates on clustered heads. Socrates Pichardo Transatlantic Reinsurance Co. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:42 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp John: You're behind on your OS rev. Most of the bad bugs are out of OnTap7. I've got tons of clients on it working happily- and we're doing lots of the 'tough' stuff, like qtree and volume snapMirror, snapvault, quotas, iSCSI, FCP, NFS and CIFS, all on the same box and aggregates. Clean as a whistle. I agree that 7.0.1R1 was scratchy- I believe there was a netapp tech bulletin telling people to get off that rev. -Glenn Dekhayser Voyant Strategies, Inc. >The one that makes the most sense for my needs. After my problems with >OnTap 7.0.1R1 and quotas and qtrees earlier this week, I'm a bit leary >of NetApp right now. OnTap 7G is still shaking out major bugs... "IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments hereto) is confidential and may be protected by legal privileges and work product immunities. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient is not a waiver of any attorney-client or work product privilege. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Transatlantic Reinsurance Company or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use."

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RE: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp
by Herbert Langenbach 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

I installed 7.1 on three 270, two 920 and on two 3020 (Metro)clusters all with iSCSI, FC, SQL, Exchange, Oracle (CIFS/NFS/SAN), Snapmirror/SnapVault not one problem so far but we don't use quotas don't wait for an inplace migration from traditional to flex volume you won't get it Herbert Langenbach Senior Technical Consultant Databasement bv tel: 079 361 97 65 mobile: 06 23 352 168 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wargel [mailto:mwargel@cstor.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:51 PM To: Pichardo, Socrates; Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp We've been running 7G for a few months now with only one CIFS issue that was resolved by 7.03. Have setup Aggregates, flex vols, snapmirror, snapvault, CIFS, NFS, iSCSI, quotas, qtrees, ATA disks, clusters all on 7G. Have done several 6.x to 7G upgrades as well recently with migration to flexvols without any issues. Now if only NetApp were to come out with 7G that allowed an inplace migration from traditional to flex vols... Mike Wargel Senior Systems Engineer Custom Storage, Inc mwargel(a)customstorage.com O: 480 941-4026, x101 C: 602 690-4788 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Pichardo, Socrates Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:26 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp We have been running OnTap 7G for a few months now without any significant glitches. We are using snapshots, snapmirror, NDMP, CIFS, iSCSI, Flex Vols, Flex Clones and Aggregates on clustered heads. Socrates Pichardo Transatlantic Reinsurance Co. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:42 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp John: You're behind on your OS rev. Most of the bad bugs are out of OnTap7. I've got tons of clients on it working happily- and we're doing lots of the 'tough' stuff, like qtree and volume snapMirror, snapvault, quotas, iSCSI, FCP, NFS and CIFS, all on the same box and aggregates. Clean as a whistle. I agree that 7.0.1R1 was scratchy- I believe there was a netapp tech bulletin telling people to get off that rev. -Glenn Dekhayser Voyant Strategies, Inc. >The one that makes the most sense for my needs. After my problems >with OnTap 7.0.1R1 and quotas and qtrees earlier this week, I'm a bit >leary of NetApp right now. OnTap 7G is still shaking out major >bugs... "IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments hereto) is confidential and may be protected by legal privileges and work product immunities. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient is not a waiver of any attorney-client or work product privilege. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Transatlantic Reinsurance Company or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use."

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OnTap 7G; was RE: Replacing our NetApp
by Mike Wargel 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

We've been running 7G for a few months now with only one CIFS issue that was resolved by 7.03. Have setup Aggregates, flex vols, snapmirror, snapvault, CIFS, NFS, iSCSI, quotas, qtrees, ATA disks, clusters all on 7G. Have done several 6.x to 7G upgrades as well recently with migration to flexvols without any issues. Now if only NetApp were to come out with 7G that allowed an inplace migration from traditional to flex vols... Mike Wargel Senior Systems Engineer Custom Storage, Inc mwargel(a)customstorage.com O: 480 941-4026, x101 C: 602 690-4788 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Pichardo, Socrates Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:26 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp We have been running OnTap 7G for a few months now without any significant glitches. We are using snapshots, snapmirror, NDMP, CIFS, iSCSI, Flex Vols, Flex Clones and Aggregates on clustered heads. Socrates Pichardo Transatlantic Reinsurance Co. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:42 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Replacing our NetApp John: You're behind on your OS rev. Most of the bad bugs are out of OnTap7. I've got tons of clients on it working happily- and we're doing lots of the 'tough' stuff, like qtree and volume snapMirror, snapvault, quotas, iSCSI, FCP, NFS and CIFS, all on the same box and aggregates. Clean as a whistle. I agree that 7.0.1R1 was scratchy- I believe there was a netapp tech bulletin telling people to get off that rev. -Glenn Dekhayser Voyant Strategies, Inc. >The one that makes the most sense for my needs. After my problems >with OnTap 7.0.1R1 and quotas and qtrees earlier this week, I'm a bit >leary of NetApp right now. OnTap 7G is still shaking out major >bugs... "IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments hereto) is confidential and may be protected by legal privileges and work product immunities. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient is not a waiver of any attorney-client or work product privilege. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Transatlantic Reinsurance Company or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use."

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