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RE: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by Fox, Adam 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

It's standard on the 3050 but optional on the 3020. I pushed to make it standard on all 3000 series boxes, but, alas, lost that battle. :( -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com _____ From: George, Andrew [mailto:georgea@anz.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:45 PM To: Linux Admin; Blake Golliher; NetApp Toasters List Subject: RE: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface Don't the 3000 series boxes have an inbuilt RLM port for console management over IP? _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Linux Admin Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:25 AM To: Blake Golliher; NetApp Toasters List Subject: Re: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface so i can do level 1vif : multi1 + mutli2 level 2 vif: single1 (out of 2 multi) vlans: 2 vlans on top of single 1 in cluster config? Have this been done? On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: There is no default management interface on a 3020 or a 3050 (or a 3070 for that matter). There are 4 interfaces that come with the system. You can use them in the way you had described in your first post, then use vlan tagging, to segment your management traffic from your production traffic. So your production still gets 4 interfaces, and your management interface is on a separate vlan from your production network. This is a different configuration then you were previously using, but that's the nature of this device. Alternately, you could purchase another nic from Netapp for management use. I'm sure you could negotiate a lower price then usual, since it's only going to be used as a management interface. -Blake On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Blake, > Thanks again. > so is there a "default" management interface out the 4? > i was going to use 2 nicks to 1 switch (active) and 2 nicks to 2 switch > (passive) > 3 nics, odd number to work with vifs is very strange. > Now some people say they vif all 4 into one vif and use that for mgmt and > data. > how is it possible? > i am still confused > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I meant using vlans to separate your management traffic from your > > production data traffic. Most filers before the 3000 had one on board > > interface. Even on the 980 it had a 100mb interface. With the 3000's > > and the 6000's there are now 4 or 6 on board 1g interfaces that can be > > used for either management or data throughput. > > > > If you workload is dispersed enough that you need 4 full 1g interfaces > > for just production traffic, or your security need to be segmented > > that management traffic can't touch production traffic, then perhaps a > > separate gig card is required. > > > > -Blake > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com <mailto:sysadmin.linux@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Blake, > > > Thanks! So which one is managment then? > > > I see dedicated managemnet iterface on all filers but 3020. > > > Or do you manage over the data IP? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > You can use vlan tagging on it that final multi mode trunk vlan. > > > > There should be 3 slots available for expansion cards if you need a > > > > dedicated interface for managment. Depending on how much storage is > > > > attached to this config, you should be able to use one of those slots > > > > for a network card. > > > > > > > > -Blake > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > > Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, > e0c,e0d) > > > on > > > > > the back of each head. > > > > > Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 are > > > available > > > > > as data? > > > > > Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi vips? > > > > > I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in single > B, > > > and > > > > > Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. > > > > > Not sure what to do about management. > > > > > Thanks for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

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RE: Questions regarding snapshots
by Glenn Walker 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

There have been a few bugs in the past where multiple simultaneous snapshot creation attempts would step on one another (snapmirror and backups all create snapshots in order to function). I think most of these have been resolved in later ontap releases (beyond 7.0.2). To be safe, I wouldn't try to take an hourly snapshot and backup at the same time... As for performance, there's always the possibility of having issues due to snapmirror and backup running at the same time, but it would be based on disk I/O - if you're throttling snapmirrors you probably won't notice much. Regarding the snapshot creation process itself, you'd have to have a pretty heavily loaded filer to notice performance degradation due to snapshot creation\deletion (to the point of it being overloaded, generally). As with anything ONTAP, the bugs typically only come to the surface if the filer is at max performance capacity. Glenn ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Steven Mandrake Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:05 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Questions regarding snapshots Hello, Just a generic question. Can I run ndmp backups and run snapmirrors and snapshots at the same time? Will this affect my backups or snapshots in anyway? Integrity of the backup or performance? Thanks, Steve

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Questions regarding snapshots
by Steven Mandrake 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Hello, Just a generic question. Can I run ndmp backups and run snapmirrors and snapshots at the same time? Will this affect my backups or snapshots in anyway? Integrity of the backup or performance? Thanks, Steve

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Snap restore monitoring
by Steven Mandrake 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Anyway to monitor the restore from a snap shot as it's happening?

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RE: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by Fox, Adam 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

There never was any requirement or designation of a "management" port in ONTAP. Most filers pre-3000 series had a single on-board 100Mb port that many decided would be a management port, but it possesed no special privledges or function other than it was the port that the filer would obtain its first address via DHCP if the filer booted and was not configured. For filers with multiple on-board ports, that port is the "e0a" port (same as the FAS 250/270). But that's really the only thing special about the on-board port. If you CHOOSE to make one of the ports a management port, you can, but you don't have to. You could use vlan tagging as specified below so you don't chew up a port. Or if by "management" port you just want a separate port to login to the port, consider using the RLM port (if your filer has one, I think you have to order a 3020 with one, but the 3050 and above have them standard) as the management port. Just a thought. -- Adam Fox NGS Tools Developer adamfox(a)netapp.com _____ From: Linux Admin [mailto:sysadmin.linux@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:01 PM To: Blake Golliher; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface Blake, Thanks! So which one is managment then? I see dedicated managemnet iterface on all filers but 3020. Or do you manage over the data IP? Thanks On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: You can use vlan tagging on it that final multi mode trunk vlan. There should be 3 slots available for expansion cards if you need a dedicated interface for managment. Depending on how much storage is attached to this config, you should be able to use one of those slots for a network card. -Blake On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Folks, > Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, e0c,e0d) on > the back of each head. > Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 are available > as data? > Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi vips? > I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in single B, and > Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. > Not sure what to do about management. > Thanks for help >

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RE: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by George, Andrew 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Don't the 3000 series boxes have an inbuilt RLM port for console management over IP? _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Linux Admin Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:25 AM To: Blake Golliher; NetApp Toasters List Subject: Re: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface so i can do level 1vif : multi1 + mutli2 level 2 vif: single1 (out of 2 multi) vlans: 2 vlans on top of single 1 in cluster config? Have this been done? On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: There is no default management interface on a 3020 or a 3050 (or a 3070 for that matter). There are 4 interfaces that come with the system. You can use them in the way you had described in your first post, then use vlan tagging, to segment your management traffic from your production traffic. So your production still gets 4 interfaces, and your management interface is on a separate vlan from your production network. This is a different configuration then you were previously using, but that's the nature of this device. Alternately, you could purchase another nic from Netapp for management use. I'm sure you could negotiate a lower price then usual, since it's only going to be used as a management interface. -Blake On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Blake, > Thanks again. > so is there a "default" management interface out the 4? > i was going to use 2 nicks to 1 switch (active) and 2 nicks to 2 switch > (passive) > 3 nics, odd number to work with vifs is very strange. > Now some people say they vif all 4 into one vif and use that for mgmt and > data. > how is it possible? > i am still confused > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I meant using vlans to separate your management traffic from your > > production data traffic. Most filers before the 3000 had one on board > > interface. Even on the 980 it had a 100mb interface. With the 3000's > > and the 6000's there are now 4 or 6 on board 1g interfaces that can be > > used for either management or data throughput. > > > > If you workload is dispersed enough that you need 4 full 1g interfaces > > for just production traffic, or your security need to be segmented > > that management traffic can't touch production traffic, then perhaps a > > separate gig card is required. > > > > -Blake > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com <mailto:sysadmin.linux@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Blake, > > > Thanks! So which one is managment then? > > > I see dedicated managemnet iterface on all filers but 3020. > > > Or do you manage over the data IP? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > You can use vlan tagging on it that final multi mode trunk vlan. > > > > There should be 3 slots available for expansion cards if you need a > > > > dedicated interface for managment. Depending on how much storage is > > > > attached to this config, you should be able to use one of those slots > > > > for a network card. > > > > > > > > -Blake > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > > Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, > e0c,e0d) > > > on > > > > > the back of each head. > > > > > Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 are > > > available > > > > > as data? > > > > > Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi vips? > > > > > I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in single > B, > > > and > > > > > Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. > > > > > Not sure what to do about management. > > > > > Thanks for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

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RE: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by George, Andrew 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Theres an RJ45 at the left of the back which goes to an RJ45/DB9 adapter (that should have been in the box) There also should be an rj45 between e0b and e0c marked RLM that connects to a remote management card _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Linux Admin Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:01 AM To: Blake Golliher; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface Blake, Thanks! So which one is managment then? I see dedicated managemnet iterface on all filers but 3020. Or do you manage over the data IP? Thanks On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: You can use vlan tagging on it that final multi mode trunk vlan. There should be 3 slots available for expansion cards if you need a dedicated interface for managment. Depending on how much storage is attached to this config, you should be able to use one of those slots for a network card. -Blake On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Folks, > Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, e0c,e0d) on > the back of each head. > Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 are available > as data? > Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi vips? > I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in single B, and > Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. > Not sure what to do about management. > Thanks for help > "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

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RE: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by Fox, Adam 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Sure, that should work. Just be sure you set partner interfaces on each side for each vlan interface of your 2nd level vif. This, of course, assumes your switches support VLAN tagging. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com _____ From: Linux Admin [mailto:sysadmin.linux@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:25 PM To: Blake Golliher; NetApp Toasters List Subject: Re: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface so i can do level 1vif : multi1 + mutli2 level 2 vif: single1 (out of 2 multi) vlans: 2 vlans on top of single 1 in cluster config? Have this been done? On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: There is no default management interface on a 3020 or a 3050 (or a 3070 for that matter). There are 4 interfaces that come with the system. You can use them in the way you had described in your first post, then use vlan tagging, to segment your management traffic from your production traffic. So your production still gets 4 interfaces, and your management interface is on a separate vlan from your production network. This is a different configuration then you were previously using, but that's the nature of this device. Alternately, you could purchase another nic from Netapp for management use. I'm sure you could negotiate a lower price then usual, since it's only going to be used as a management interface. -Blake On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Blake, > Thanks again. > so is there a "default" management interface out the 4? > i was going to use 2 nicks to 1 switch (active) and 2 nicks to 2 switch > (passive) > 3 nics, odd number to work with vifs is very strange. > Now some people say they vif all 4 into one vif and use that for mgmt and > data. > how is it possible? > i am still confused > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I meant using vlans to separate your management traffic from your > > production data traffic. Most filers before the 3000 had one on board > > interface. Even on the 980 it had a 100mb interface. With the 3000's > > and the 6000's there are now 4 or 6 on board 1g interfaces that can be > > used for either management or data throughput. > > > > If you workload is dispersed enough that you need 4 full 1g interfaces > > for just production traffic, or your security need to be segmented > > that management traffic can't touch production traffic, then perhaps a > > separate gig card is required. > > > > -Blake > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com <mailto:sysadmin.linux@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Blake, > > > Thanks! So which one is managment then? > > > I see dedicated managemnet iterface on all filers but 3020. > > > Or do you manage over the data IP? > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > You can use vlan tagging on it that final multi mode trunk vlan. > > > > There should be 3 slots available for expansion cards if you need a > > > > dedicated interface for managment. Depending on how much storage is > > > > attached to this config, you should be able to use one of those slots > > > > for a network card. > > > > > > > > -Blake > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > > Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, > e0c,e0d) > > > on > > > > > the back of each head. > > > > > Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 are > > > available > > > > > as data? > > > > > Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi vips? > > > > > I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in single > B, > > > and > > > > > Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. > > > > > Not sure what to do about management. > > > > > Thanks for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by Linux Admin 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Folks, Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, e0c,e0d) on the back of each head. Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 are available as data? Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi vips? I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in single B, and Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. Not sure what to do about management. Thanks for help

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Re: 3020 Cluster: which one is management interface
by Linux Admin 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

so i can do level 1vif : multi1 + mutli2 level 2 vif: single1 (out of 2 multi) vlans: 2 vlans on top of single 1 in cluster config? Have this been done? On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > There is no default management interface on a 3020 or a 3050 (or a > 3070 for that matter). There are 4 interfaces that come with the > system. You can use them in the way you had described in your first > post, then use vlan tagging, to segment your management traffic from > your production traffic. So your production still gets 4 interfaces, > and your management interface is on a separate vlan from your > production network. > > This is a different configuration then you were previously using, but > that's the nature of this device. Alternately, you could purchase > another nic from Netapp for management use. I'm sure you could > negotiate a lower price then usual, since it's only going to be used > as a management interface. > > -Blake > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Blake, > > Thanks again. > > so is there a "default" management interface out the 4? > > i was going to use 2 nicks to 1 switch (active) and 2 nicks to 2 switch > > (passive) > > 3 nics, odd number to work with vifs is very strange. > > Now some people say they vif all 4 into one vif and use that for mgmt > and > > data. > > how is it possible? > > i am still confused > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I meant using vlans to separate your management traffic from your > > > production data traffic. Most filers before the 3000 had one on board > > > interface. Even on the 980 it had a 100mb interface. With the 3000's > > > and the 6000's there are now 4 or 6 on board 1g interfaces that can be > > > used for either management or data throughput. > > > > > > If you workload is dispersed enough that you need 4 full 1g interfaces > > > for just production traffic, or your security need to be segmented > > > that management traffic can't touch production traffic, then perhaps a > > > separate gig card is required. > > > > > > -Blake > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin <sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Blake, > > > > Thanks! So which one is managment then? > > > > I see dedicated managemnet iterface on all filers but 3020. > > > > Or do you manage over the data IP? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Blake Golliher <thelastman(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > You can use vlan tagging on it that final multi mode trunk vlan. > > > > > There should be 3 slots available for expansion cards if you need > a > > > > > dedicated interface for managment. Depending on how much storage > is > > > > > attached to this config, you should be able to use one of those > slots > > > > > for a network card. > > > > > > > > > > -Blake > > > > > > > > > > On 1/3/07, Linux Admin < sysadmin.linux(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > Not familiar with 3020 series at all. I see 4 nics (e0a, e0b, > > e0c,e0d) > > > > on > > > > > > the back of each head. > > > > > > Does it mean I have sacrifice one to be management and only 3 > are > > > > available > > > > > > as data? > > > > > > Have NetApp change things? Or can I used all 4 in single/multi > vips? > > > > > > I was going to do e0a and e0c in single A, e0b and and e0d in > single > > B, > > > > and > > > > > > Multi VIP C on top of Sinlge A and Single B. > > > > > > Not sure what to do about management. > > > > > > Thanks for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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