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RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree
by Fox, Adam 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

Right, but if you do that, you have to put all of non-qtreed data into a qtree on the destination. You can't do <dest_file>:/vol/<vol_name>/- as the destination. It won't work. You have to specify an actual qtree as the destination which means your data won't be in the root of the volume on the destination. If you can live with that (or fix it later) that's fine. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com ________________________________ From: George, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.George@anz.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:38 PM To: Leeds, Daniel; Fox, Adam; David McWilliams; NetApp list Subject: RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree And if you absolutely have to snapmirror by qtree <filername>:/vol/<Volname>/- will qtreesnapmirror the non-qtree'd data (if that makes sense) ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Leeds, Daniel Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 8:51 AM To: Fox, Adam; David McWilliams; NetApp list Subject: RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree one other caveat, the snapmirror source cannot be a newer ontap than the target. ie 7.2 -> 7.0.5 will not work but 7.0.5 -> 7.2 will -- Daniel Leeds Senior Systems Administrator Edmunds.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of Fox, Adam Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 3:30 PM To: David McWilliams; NetApp list Subject: RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree Assuming you want to use snapmirror, you have 2 options: 1) You can do a volume snapmirror. This will pick up everything (including snapshots), and will put it all on the other side. But the volumes must be of like type (flex -> flex or trad -> trad). 2) You can use QSM and use - as the source qtree name. This will grab all data not in a user created qtree. However, the destination must be a real qtree so the data won't be in the same place on the destination. Outside of SnapMirror, you can use ndmpcopy and move any subset of data you want. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com ________________________________ From: David McWilliams [mailto:davidkmcw@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: NetApp list Subject: Snapmirror data not in a qtree I'm migrating data from an old to a new filer and we have lots of data in qtrees and a significant amount that is at the same directory level, but not in a qtree. Any ideas? -- Sláinte, David Checkout the, sometimes updated, McWilliams family website @ http://davidmcw.tripod.com Get a safer, faster, better web browser @ http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

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RE: Snapmirror serial execution?
by Sojdehei, Mitchell 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

Great! Thank you for your reply. I will relay this to my customer. Thanks again! - Mitchell "Documentation is like food. When it is good it is very very good, when it is bad it is better than nothing at all" ________________________________ From: Mike Wargel [mailto:mwargel@customstorage.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:24 PM To: Sojdehei, Mitchell; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Snapmirror serial execution? See the syntax of the snapmirror.conf file. You can setup just like cron so that 1 runs on the 10s of each hour, 2 to run on the 15s, and the third to run at other times or other hours. I don't know of any way to setup to run one after the other and keep repeating. The initial will take a while to run, but incrementals should be short. Mike Mike Wargel Senior Systems Engineer Custom Storage, Inc 4300 N Miller Rd Suite 146 Scottsdale, AZ 85251 http://www.customstorage.com <http://www.customstorage.com> O: 480 941 4026, x101 F: 480 941 2605 C: 602 690 4788 ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Sojdehei, Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:10 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Snapmirror serial execution? Is there a way to make NetApp snapmirror updates run in serial? In other words, if I setup 3 snapmirror relationships, how can I get the first one to run, and then run the second one as soon as the first finishes, and then the third in the same fashion? I want to try and avoid using cronjobs from an external server. - Mitchell "Documentation is like food. When it is good it is very very good, when it is bad it is better than nothing at all"

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by White, Duane 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

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RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree
by Leeds, Daniel 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

yes, i was referring to the volume level SM, sorry for not clarifying. -- Daniel Leeds Senior Systems Administrator Edmunds.com -----Original Message----- From: Fox, Adam [mailto:Adam.Fox@netapp.com] Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 4:03 PM To: Leeds, Daniel; David McWilliams; NetApp list Subject: RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree That is true for VSM. QSM is much more permssive wrt ONTAP releases. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com ________________________________ From: Leeds, Daniel [mailto:dleeds@edmunds.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:51 PM To: Fox, Adam; David McWilliams; NetApp list Subject: RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree one other caveat, the snapmirror source cannot be a newer ontap than the target. ie 7.2 -> 7.0.5 will not work but 7.0.5 -> 7.2 will -- Daniel Leeds Senior Systems Administrator Edmunds.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of Fox, Adam Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 3:30 PM To: David McWilliams; NetApp list Subject: RE: Snapmirror data not in a qtree Assuming you want to use snapmirror, you have 2 options: 1) You can do a volume snapmirror. This will pick up everything (including snapshots), and will put it all on the other side. But the volumes must be of like type (flex -> flex or trad -> trad). 2) You can use QSM and use - as the source qtree name. This will grab all data not in a user created qtree. However, the destination must be a real qtree so the data won't be in the same place on the destination. Outside of SnapMirror, you can use ndmpcopy and move any subset of data you want. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com ________________________________ From: David McWilliams [mailto:davidkmcw@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:13 PM To: NetApp list Subject: Snapmirror data not in a qtree I'm migrating data from an old to a new filer and we have lots of data in qtrees and a significant amount that is at the same directory level, but not in a qtree. Any ideas? -- Sláinte, David Checkout the, sometimes updated, McWilliams family website @ http://davidmcw.tripod.com Get a safer, faster, better web browser @ http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

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Snapmirror data not in a qtree
by David McWilliams 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

I'm migrating data from an old to a new filer and we have lots of data in qtrees and a significant amount that is at the same directory level, but not in a qtree. Any ideas? -- Sláinte, David Checkout the, sometimes updated, McWilliams family website @ http://davidmcw.tripod.com Get a safer, faster, better web browser @ http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

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Snapmirror serial execution?
by Sojdehei, Mitchell 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

Is there a way to make NetApp snapmirror updates run in serial? In other words, if I setup 3 snapmirror relationships, how can I get the first one to run, and then run the second one as soon as the first finishes, and then the third in the same fashion? I want to try and avoid using cronjobs from an external server. - Mitchell "Documentation is like food. When it is good it is very very good, when it is bad it is better than nothing at all"

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Re: Increasing the size of disks in an existing array
by Davies,Matt 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

You can have more that one shelf on the 270, so you might want to buy a cheap second hand shelf from zerowait, and attach that to the existing filer, migrate the data. Not too hard to do. I've purchased 2 shelves and disks from zerowait in the past and never had any problems. cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com <owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com> To: Bryano <tgbryano(a)gmail.com>; toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Wed Aug 08 20:30:20 2007 Subject: Re: Increasing the size of disks in an existing array The 300G disk will be right-sized to the usable space of a 72G disk (68G?) and the extra space from the larger disk will be lost/unusable. http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/bol?Type=Detail&Display=164167 Do you have a shelf of 300G disks or were you just planning on buying a set of 300G disks to migrate into the shelf enclosure that the 72G disks are in? If you have a shelf of 300G disks, attach it with a new loop and snapmirror or ndmpcopy migrate the data to the new shelf. Then detach the 72G shelf. Of course that is trickier with the 270's since the head IS a shelf. On 8/8/07 1:47 PM, "Bryano" <tgbryano(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have 'inherited' several filers including FAS 270's and FAS 940's which > only have 72GB drives and we are now running very low on spares and the > company I work for is reluctant to buy another shelf, it has therefore it > has been proposed that we remove a disk at a time from a volumes raid group > and replace it with a larger drive (300GB) and then once the raid has > recovered then remove the next disk and repeat the procedure until all the > disks in the volumes raid raid group have been replaced with larger ones. > > My initial question is - is this possible and if so once all the drives in a > particular raid group that makes up a volume have been replaced with larger > ones will that show immediately as free space available in that volume or > will we need to do something else to get the filer to see the additional > free space? > > Thanks Mike Partyka . Technical Engineer [ p. 612 .669 .8268 f. 952 .471 0409 e. mpartyka(a)acmn.com ] _____________________________________________________________ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at help(a)generalatlantic.com <mailto:help@generalatlantic.com>. Thank You.

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RE: moving disks from one shelf to another
by Willeke, Jochen 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

You might be right....i have heard that too, but never tried. Regards Jochen -----Original Message----- From: George, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.George@anz.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:54 AM To: Willeke, Jochen; Josef Radinger; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving disks from one shelf to another Is that still correct these days? I'm almost sure I saw something in a Netapp Knowledgebase a while back saying that if you replaced the parity disks with larger disks you could add disks up to the size of the parity disks in a raidgroup and not loose space. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Willeke, Jochen Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2007 6:20 PM To: Josef Radinger; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving disks from one shelf to another Hi Josef, to you questions: 1) yes it is possible to mix...BUT if you have different sized disks in one raid-group the bigger disk will only serve the space of the smaller onces. "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential, may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."

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Mac OS AFP support?
by Daniel Brown 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

I've read TR 3472 "Integrating Mac(r) OS and NetApp Storage<http://www.netapp.com/library/tr/3472.pdf>" http://www.netapp.com/library/tr/3472.pdf and am aware of Thursby Software's DAVE: http://www.thursby.com/products/dave.html, which is of course >$100/seat, depending on number of seats purchased. I would like to know if there is any plans to support AFP natively in Ontap? Has anyone found any other solution to allow for multiplatform (for example PC's and Macs) use of the filer without having to worry about the data fork/resource fork issues? Yes, the macs can talk both CIFS and NFS, the problem is that all files touched by the macs look like this: -rw-r--r-- 1 501 foo 82 Jun 6 16:55 ._NTAP AAPL3472.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 501 foo 699229 Jun 1 15:45 NTAP AAPL3472.pdf

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moving disks from one shelf to another
by Josef Radinger 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hi, We have the following situation: A 3020c with 3 FC shelves (with 144G disks), and 2 SATA shelves. one head has the FC ones, the other ownes the SATA ones. For some reason 2 of the FC shelves are only half-filled and we would like to buy larger FC disks. *) is it possible to intermix different sized disks in one aggregate? (i think so) *) is it possible to intermix different sized disks in one shelf? eg. 7 144G disks and 7 larger disks in one shelf. i dont think so, without loosing the extra space. at least in the past this was not possible with older versions of ontap, if i read the older posts correctly. *) is it possible to move 7 disks from one shelf to the other half-filled shelf without data loss and interruption? then i would have 2 full shelves and one empty shelf and could ad the new disks to that empty shelf (and the same aggregate). yours josef -- MfG Josef Radinger it-services Medizinische Universitaet Innsbruck

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