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Re: NetApp Toaster FAQ
by Amy Chused 24 Jun '97

24 Jun '97

First off, thank you Dave for an excellent summary. And now for a few comments: > FAServer 400 The first box. A black tower tower unit. The > systems units held 7 GB and could do 400 > ops/sec. (Hence the name.) We've got one of these. It's got 7x2GB disks for 14 GB of disk space that, with parity and file system overhead comes out to about 10 GB of usable RAID storage. It's been in the back closet for almost a year now, but we still periodically think about playing with it again. If we don't find a production use for it soon, and if netapp doesn't offer a good trade in value for it, I think my boss is gonna let me take it home and play with it. > FAServer 450 Same box, but with a faster CPU. Maybe we also > allowed the expansion cabinet (a second black > tower) at the same time. We've got a few of these in use right now. These took 4 GB disks and had room for 14 disks inside (slightly bigger box, beige). I know we've got at least one, possible 2 or 3 still in production use. The one I know about has 7x2GB and 7x4GB for about 30 GB effective storage. > F330 The first PCI bus. The first bright blue Got one of these. It holds hundreds and hundreds of home directories, plus other stuff. > F540 Twice as fast as the F330. (Cool silver metal Got one of these. It does news. > F220 NUCLEAR BANANA BEZEL!!! Ahem. This is a cost Got one of these. It does suport for some production machines, cuz we wanted to split off the F330, where the users constantly use up all the available space and take more, from the production NFS server, where we control and even, to some degree, predict how much space each service uses. I like the NUCLEAR BANANA BEZEL too. So, I've got two more questions, one semi-technical, and one not: 1. How do you delete the file system on a NetApp? If I want to newfs the file system, how do I do it? 2. What are the various names people have given their machines? We've had toaster, blender, fridge, icebox, tv, vcr, vaccuum, washer, compactor, furnace, and microwave. (No, we don't have that many netapps--some of these names are on different interfaces of the same boxes, or a box that was retired, and then reused elsewhere with a different name.) Amy

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None
by Jaye Mathisen 24 Jun '97

24 Jun '97

Wanna kill your filer? Put lots of big directories with lots of files in there, then watch the nfs server not responding messages start up. I have an F540, 256MB RAM, and 8MB NVRAM that is just getting wiped out with numerous large directories. (~40-50k files/dir). Hangs of 20-30 seconds are not uncommon, sometimes as long as 3 minutes. Needless to say, we are not amused.

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quick usenet poll
by Kenneth Whittaker 23 Jun '97

23 Jun '97

Usenet admins.... Just curious folks. How big are the history files out there? The history.pag? Ken. -- Kenneth Whittaker Network Appliance Technical Support: 888-4-NETAPP

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Re: archive
by Tracy Howard 20 Jun '97

20 Jun '97

Brian, Some of these questions are answered on NOW, Netapp's online support solution. Check it out if you haven't already looked at the site. The URL for the site is http://now.netapp.com/. Also, for the questions that you pose here...I will make certain that they do get answered on NOW. Thanks. At 04:22 PM 6/20/97 -0400, Brian Tao wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Tom Yates wrote: >> >> b) no. volunteers? i haven't noticed any questions popping up >> repetitively yet, so i have 0 idea what would be on it. > > Well, these questions probably haven't been repeated all that >much, but getting answers to them would be a good start to a FAQ. > >1) What is a NetApp Model XYZ? [Have a brief feature list and >product position summary for anything NetApp ever made, like the >FAservers, the F220 vs. F210/F230, etc. Maybe we could get some >anecdotes related to the choice of faceplate colours for the various >filers ;-) ] > >2) What third-party components can I use? [Product number and >vendors for drives, RAM, cables, shelves and canisters. Include >suitable disclaimers that you may void your warranty or support >contract, etc.] > >3) How do I shrink the filesystem on a NetApp? [Heck, I haven't >figured this out... only way is backup to tape, restripe the whole >unit and restore from tape?] > >4) Why does Solaris 2.5 'du' not show the right file sizes? >[Actually, I think this is covered in the Solaris FAQ too] > >5) Why can't I put more than 52GB on an F210 or F220, even though it >can physically hold more? > > That's all I can think of at the moment. >-- >Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)netcom.ca) >"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > > *********************************************************** Tracy Howard Customer Satisfaction NOW Project Lead and Technical Writer tracyh(a)netapp.com now.netapp.com -->check it out

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Re: Hello...
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 20 Jun '97

20 Jun '97

> I would be very interested to hear from other people using NetApps for > news spools for any advice on optimally configuring the NetApp for > this purpose. > > e.g., no snapshots, increase the number of inodes, no atime update, > disable NFS over TCP, ...? That last paragraph pretty much describes our situation - and it works like a charm! And yes, we have a private 100 Mbps Ethernet (crossover cable) between the Ultrasparc and the NetApp. We keep active, history and outgoing on local disk, and use the NetApp for articles and over- view. The Ultrasparc/Solaris 2.5.1/NetApp system has been *extremely* stable for us. Not a single crash of any kind during several months of service. It just runs. We're happy :-) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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Re: quick usenet poll
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 20 Jun '97

20 Jun '97

> Are people actually putting history files on the NetApp? Ours isn't. Same here. I did what I thought was the obvious thing - put history, active, outgoing and logs on local disks. Use the NetApp for article and overview spool. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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Re: quick usenet poll
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 19 Jun '97

19 Jun '97

> Just curious folks. How big are the history files out there? > The history.pag? 14 days of history here (just after expire has trimmed it): -rw-rw-r-- 1 news news 407992941 Jun 20 00:50 history -rw-rw-r-- 1 news news 84156772 Jun 20 00:50 history.pag history.pag has holes. Real size is only about half of the apparent size given above. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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test - please ignore
by Tom Yates 19 Jun '97

19 Jun '97

please ignore this test. i apologise for the bandwidth loss. Tom Yates - Unix Chap - The Mathworks, Inc. - +1 (508) 647 7561 MAG#65061 DoD#0135 AMA#461546 1024/CFDFDE39 0C E7 46 60 BB 96 87 05 04 BD FB F8 BB 20 C1 8C "Microsoft (tm) is a single-sofa supplier"

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by Patrick O'Malley, IAC, 617-393-3415 19 Jun '97

19 Jun '97

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Re: NetApp v Suns
by dheiland＠lucent.com 18 Jun '97

18 Jun '97

> From hitz(a)netapp.com Tue Jun 17 22:22 BST 1997 > > It is important for people to understand that LADDIS is a very hard > load, and in real-world environments people will often see much higher > throughput than LADDIS would seem to predict. I recently got a note > from a customer "complaining" that his F230 was running at a sustained > load of over 3300 ops per second, which is over double the LADDIS > "limit" for that system. > > But don't assume that LADDIS results will limit the performance that > you see in a particular real-world environment. I see your point about NFS ops. I would guess then that if this customer was seeing a high percentage usage of the cpu then that would be the indicator that the box was overloaded. And that's not something one can easily extrapolate from the cpu performance of Suns or any other boxes. Estimating the size of filer needed doesn't seem very straightforward then, except by disk sizes. Dave

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