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RE: Legato with NT
by Robert Palermo 21 Apr '99

21 Apr '99

Mark, Thanks for the response. I will forward your comments to our customer. Hopefully others have been helped by this also. > From: "Muhlestein, Mark" <mark.muhlestein(a)netapp.com> > To: "'Robert Palermo'" <bob(a)opensystems.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com, Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se > Subject: RE: Legato with NT > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:48:52 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Just FYI (nothing official), but I can say that in the limited testing I did > with Legato over CIFS to the filer everything seemed to work just fine. I was > able to back up and restore both UNIX- and NTFS-style files with no problems. > The security and other metadata were fully preserved. Make sure you are doing > the backups and restores from an NT admin account that maps to 'root' if you are > working with files that have UNIX-style security. > > The one problem I remember is the same one Michael Salmon mentioned: make sure > you are accessing the filer as a domain administrator, not the local > administrator (which is the default unless you specify > "domain-name\administrator"). > > Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Palermo [mailto:bob@opensystems.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:40 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com; Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se > Subject: Re: Legato with NT > > > We are actually not having any problems. One of our prospective customers asked > us for references but most of our customers are in the same boat we're in. We've > never had to go to tape for recovery. Snapshot has always done the trick. > > Of our customers who are running CIFS only, none are using Legato right now. I > I was really looking for feedback as opposed the answer to a problem. > > Thanks to all who have replied. > > > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: Legato with NT > > X-Reply-To: Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se > > X-uri: http://www.elfi.adbkons.se/~mesa > > X-pgp-fingerprint: DD 6A DD AE 7D 37 C2 92 9D 2A 1D 26 0E 7D 25 86 > > X-Face: %"f^~cZ#`qgIYZ:xm95*9;YDUM)2,!]kETwVGx>1[h?{Y:MuarA9uj0j > `{avD3^1apqS7P~1Gib%0#tn"aqV;GfhXJ"1?ZPn|]xc[$:03Q%?k3"#PGh| > `^{^-LRX]UB^}+,TY~EETpLrQiG"4}I-gdj=l!c)W;_R:X;qO#dpL#Y77J:; > PTyjqj'/Nx*3&@@p]LISmtWlDIMprRgA%pMGy9M:NB>}e{0+)s(ZGM|PK}V" > 0XW:FQ)%L&o\E''v'RWg.fZ$_s1jLhE>;JzHR:Yb > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:08:15 +0200 > > From: Michael Salmon <Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se> > > > > +----- On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:50:08 EDT, Robert Palermo writes: > > | Mike, > > | > > | Thanks for the response. I guess I should be a little more specific. Have > you > > | performed any restores and did the permissions come back as expected if so. > > > > I just checked the test report and no restores were tried, just backups. > > I guess from your query that you are having problems, care to share > > them? > > > > /Michael > >

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RE: Legato with NT
by Muhlestein, Mark 21 Apr '99

21 Apr '99

Just FYI (nothing official), but I can say that in the limited testing I did with Legato over CIFS to the filer everything seemed to work just fine. I was able to back up and restore both UNIX- and NTFS-style files with no problems. The security and other metadata were fully preserved. Make sure you are doing the backups and restores from an NT admin account that maps to 'root' if you are working with files that have UNIX-style security. The one problem I remember is the same one Michael Salmon mentioned: make sure you are accessing the filer as a domain administrator, not the local administrator (which is the default unless you specify "domain-name\administrator"). Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Palermo [mailto:bob@opensystems.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:40 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com; Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se Subject: Re: Legato with NT We are actually not having any problems. One of our prospective customers asked us for references but most of our customers are in the same boat we're in. We've never had to go to tape for recovery. Snapshot has always done the trick. Of our customers who are running CIFS only, none are using Legato right now. I I was really looking for feedback as opposed the answer to a problem. Thanks to all who have replied. > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Legato with NT > X-Reply-To: Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se > X-uri: http://www.elfi.adbkons.se/~mesa > X-pgp-fingerprint: DD 6A DD AE 7D 37 C2 92 9D 2A 1D 26 0E 7D 25 86 > X-Face: %"f^~cZ#`qgIYZ:xm95*9;YDUM)2,!]kETwVGx>1[h?{Y:MuarA9uj0j `{avD3^1apqS7P~1Gib%0#tn"aqV;GfhXJ"1?ZPn|]xc[$:03Q%?k3"#PGh| `^{^-LRX]UB^}+,TY~EETpLrQiG"4}I-gdj=l!c)W;_R:X;qO#dpL#Y77J:; PTyjqj'/Nx*3&@@p]LISmtWlDIMprRgA%pMGy9M:NB>}e{0+)s(ZGM|PK}V" 0XW:FQ)%L&o\E''v'RWg.fZ$_s1jLhE>;JzHR:Yb > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:08:15 +0200 > From: Michael Salmon <Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se> > > +----- On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:50:08 EDT, Robert Palermo writes: > | Mike, > | > | Thanks for the response. I guess I should be a little more specific. Have you > | performed any restores and did the permissions come back as expected if so. > > I just checked the test report and no restores were tried, just backups. > I guess from your query that you are having problems, care to share > them? > > /Michael >

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Re: Legato with NT
by Robert Palermo 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

We are actually not having any problems. One of our prospective customers asked us for references but most of our customers are in the same boat we're in. We've never had to go to tape for recovery. Snapshot has always done the trick. Of our customers who are running CIFS only, none are using Legato right now. I I was really looking for feedback as opposed the answer to a problem. Thanks to all who have replied. > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Legato with NT > X-Reply-To: Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se > X-uri: http://www.elfi.adbkons.se/~mesa > X-pgp-fingerprint: DD 6A DD AE 7D 37 C2 92 9D 2A 1D 26 0E 7D 25 86 > X-Face: %"f^~cZ#`qgIYZ:xm95*9;YDUM)2,!]kETwVGx>1[h?{Y:MuarA9uj0j `{avD3^1apqS7P~1Gib%0#tn"aqV;GfhXJ"1?ZPn|]xc[$:03Q%?k3"#PGh| `^{^-LRX]UB^}+,TY~EETpLrQiG"4}I-gdj=l!c)W;_R:X;qO#dpL#Y77J:; PTyjqj'/Nx*3&@@p]LISmtWlDIMprRgA%pMGy9M:NB>}e{0+)s(ZGM|PK}V" 0XW:FQ)%L&o\E''v'RWg.fZ$_s1jLhE>;JzHR:Yb > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:08:15 +0200 > From: Michael Salmon <Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se> > > +----- On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:50:08 EDT, Robert Palermo writes: > | Mike, > | > | Thanks for the response. I guess I should be a little more specific. Have you > | performed any restores and did the permissions come back as expected if so. > > I just checked the test report and no restores were tried, just backups. > I guess from your query that you are having problems, care to share > them? > > /Michael >

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Re: Legato with NT
by Robert Palermo 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

Mike, Thanks for the response. I guess I should be a little more specific. Have you performed any restores and did the permissions come back as expected if so. Thanks again. > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Legato with NT > X-Reply-To: Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se > X-uri: http://www.elfi.adbkons.se/~mesa > X-pgp-fingerprint: DD 6A DD AE 7D 37 C2 92 9D 2A 1D 26 0E 7D 25 86 > X-Face: %"f^~cZ#`qgIYZ:xm95*9;YDUM)2,!]kETwVGx>1[h?{Y:MuarA9uj0j `{avD3^1apqS7P~1Gib%0#tn"aqV;GfhXJ"1?ZPn|]xc[$:03Q%?k3"#PGh| `^{^-LRX]UB^}+,TY~EETpLrQiG"4}I-gdj=l!c)W;_R:X;qO#dpL#Y77J:; PTyjqj'/Nx*3&@@p]LISmtWlDIMprRgA%pMGy9M:NB>}e{0+)s(ZGM|PK}V" 0XW:FQ)%L&o\E''v'RWg.fZ$_s1jLhE>;JzHR:Yb > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:17:51 +0200 > From: Michael Salmon <Michael.Salmon(a)uab.ericsson.se> > > +----- On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:24:19 EDT, Robert Palermo writes: > | Is anyone using Legato to back up a filer in an NT only environment ? > > We've done it, the only problem we had was that Legato started as the > wrong administrator who didn't have access to the shares, once that was > solved it worked without problem. > > /Michael > Bob Palermo bob(a)opensystems.com Systems Engineer tel: 508-359-4248 Open System Solutions, Inc. fax: 508-359-5215 www.opensystems.com www.4privatei.com

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Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP?
by Jaye Mathisen 16 Apr '99

16 Apr '99

I have both my ports on a linkswitch 3000, at 100mb, full-duplex. Both ends are configured manually for 100mit, full duplex. I do not believe when i was running 4.3.4, that I got any errors. But now, with 5.3, I'm seeing occasional errors. (a few every 10-15 seconds). In this VLAN, there's only 1 other device talking to the netapp, and it's configure for 100mb, full-duplex as well, and it sees no errors either coming or going. As I said, I believe this is new behaviour. I have rebooted everything just to make sure, and double checked it all, and it's all full duplex 100mbit. Cabling is short, and tests fine on a Fluke 682 lan meter... Anybody else seeing something similar before I go knocking on Netapps door?

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Re: Need help regarding quotas
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 16 Apr '99

16 Apr '99

On 04/08/99 18:51:42 you wrote: >I submitted a Request for Enhancment on how to solve this. >Basically, I asked for something along the lines of: > > * Add a flag to the per-quota-entry data structure which the > filer uses to maintain current state. If this flag is set, > it indicates if a message has already been logged about that > quota being exceeded. > > * Every time the quota entry is checked (during a disk write, > or whatever), do the following: > if (quota not exceeded) { > flag = 0 > } else { > /* quota exceeded */ > if (flag == 0) { > syslog("quota exceeded ...") > flag = 1 > } > } > I.e, don't bother logging a message if that user has already > had a message logged about them. However, if they go under > quota, clear the flag, so we get a message when they exceed > it again. > >The only response I've received (second hand) is along the lines of >``we've fixed it, but a different way''. Yeah, this has been a well known problem for years, but I had trouble getting action on it until engineers actually had to deal with the problem first hand and realized just how bad it was. As to the fix, I don't recall what it was, but I recall a proposal similar to the one you listed being considered and rejected (for example, your suggestion wouldn't work, since when the user fails to go over quota they'll generally fall right back under it, thus resetting the flag). >[Hmm; I should put support(a)netapp.com (or whatever) on autosupport; >maybe then they'll listen after getting a 30MB email message every >week ;-] I think they already filter such things. Bruce

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Samba client and filers
by Garrett Burke 16 Apr '99

16 Apr '99

Hi, Anyone know of any issues with smbclient (version 1.9.18p8) and filers running CIFS (OnTap 5.2.1)? Session setup is failing. I can use smbclient to connect to my NT servers but not the filer. I notice from the debug output of smbclient that it says "Using encrypted passwords" Could this be the problem? Can't see anything on the smbclient man page to force it to use unencrypted passwords. Here's some "-d 3" output from smbclient: Connected max mux 32 max vcs 1 max raw 65536 capabilities 0x42dd Sec mode 8195 max xmt 8192 Got 8 byte crypt key Chose protocol [NT LM 0.12] Server time is Thu Apr 15 14:16:23 1999 Timezone is UTC+1.0 Password: Using encrypted passwords Session setup failed for username=<username> myname=<FreeBSD hostname> destname=TOASTER ERRSRV - ERRerror (Non-specific error code.) (Before you all say "use NFS", I'm writing some monitoring tools that will run on a FreeBSD box and will actually fetch a file from the filer and calc a CRC to ensure it's ok. This way I know the file service is available) Thanks, GB

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RE: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP?
by Jonas Jonsson 15 Apr '99

15 Apr '99

I've used Rad, Alteon, Cisco in conjunction with NC and haven't seen this. /// Regards, Jonas -----Original Message----- From: Jaye Mathisen [mailto:mrcpu@internetcds.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:50 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP? I have both my ports on a linkswitch 3000, at 100mb, full-duplex. ---------------------Stuff zapped------------------------------

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Re: Need help regarding quotas
by Luke Mewburn 15 Apr '99

15 Apr '99

Daniel Quinlan writes: > > Exceeded quotas are also logged to /etc/messages. > This is *damned* annoying. With 2500 students all hammering one of my filers (a F330 in this case), we generally get /etc/messages.? ranging in size from 10 MB to 150 MB (yes, 150 *megabytes* in a week!) (My local NetApp tech asked to get off my autosupport because the mail was too large ;-) This causes the filer to choke (i.e, 100% load) whilst sending the `autosupport' email, and my mail program gets a bit unhappy with it. I wrote a procmail rule to trim the mail down to a more manageble 30KB: something like: :0 w: root/netapp/$LOCK * ^TOnetapp-admin(a)cs.rmit.edu.au | egrep -v '(last message repeated [0-9]+ times$|(disk|tree) quota exceeded)' | $RCVSTORE +root/netapp I submitted a Request for Enhancment on how to solve this. Basically, I asked for something along the lines of: * Add a flag to the per-quota-entry data structure which the filer uses to maintain current state. If this flag is set, it indicates if a message has already been logged about that quota being exceeded. * Every time the quota entry is checked (during a disk write, or whatever), do the following: if (quota not exceeded) { flag = 0 } else { /* quota exceeded */ if (flag == 0) { syslog("quota exceeded ...") flag = 1 } } I.e, don't bother logging a message if that user has already had a message logged about them. However, if they go under quota, clear the flag, so we get a message when they exceed it again. The only response I've received (second hand) is along the lines of ``we've fixed it, but a different way''. [Hmm; I should put support(a)netapp.com (or whatever) on autosupport; maybe then they'll listen after getting a 30MB email message every week ;-] > > I'd recommend using a userland program (on login) to regularly tell > users how close they are to exceeding their quota, in addition to > monitoring quotas for your own information. > I wrote a perl script which can do all sorts of funky reporting based on the output of `quota report', including playing ``what if'' games based on the quota report and the `/etc/quotas' file you're about to apply. It currently works for OnTAP 5.2.1, although I could probably hack support back in for 4.x if people wanted it. Checkout: http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/~lukem/src/quotarep An aside; on our main student filer (an F330), we have nearly 6000 users, and 2500 separate quota entries; we generate an individual quota entry per student based on subject enrolment. Works quite well, although the `quota resize' takes over two minutes to complete, and I'm a bit sick of the huge messages file :/ We've had our share of quota bugs (especially the ``quota -v doesn't display anything'' problem), but in general, the NetApp quota system works well. It's definately easier to manage than standard UFS quotas (as well as the ability to recalculate on the fly; UFS quotacheck requires a quiscient filesystem to work).

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RE: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP?
by Kinney, Roger 15 Apr '99

15 Apr '99

Please reference: http://now.netapp.com/knowledge/contents/FAQ/FAQ_1020.shtml <http://now.netapp.com/knowledge/contents/FAQ/FAQ_1020.shtml> Roger -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Jonsson [mailto:jonas.jonsson@proact.se] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 3:52 PM To: 'Jaye Mathisen'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP? I've used Rad, Alteon, Cisco in conjunction with NC and haven't seen this. /// Regards, Jonas -----Original Message----- From: Jaye Mathisen [mailto:mrcpu@internetcds.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:50 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP? I have both my ports on a linkswitch 3000, at 100mb, full-duplex. ---------------------Stuff zapped------------------------------

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