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Hardware for F330
by Jay Orr 02 May '99

02 May '99

Hi all! I was wondering if anyone can help. We are a small shop with 2 F330's with 2 disk cabinets on each one. We were looking into adding another tray on each, but were told by NetApps that they are no longer available. All I'm looking for is to upgrade the memory, add another scsi controller, and another tray (is that asking TOO MUCH???). Questions: Can I use off the shelf memory (and what kind)? What about SCSI controllers? Where can I get disk trays? Could we instead replace the drives with 9G or 18G drives (and what model would we use)? NetApps solution is to spend $60k+ to upgrade, and all we need is another 10G - 20G. The current system works fine, isn't overused, and could handle the expansion IF WE CAN FIND THE COMPONENTS... Thanks for the help. By the by, I've been looking for a toaster FAQ, is there one? ----------- Fujitsu - Nexion, St. Louis, MO Jay Orr (314) 579-6517

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restore annoyance
by kg 01 May '99

01 May '99

Anyone notice that restore operations will fail if there isn't a /etc/tmp on the destination volume? Fine most of the time, but rather annoying to have to create a /etc on non-root volumes.... ..kg..

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Bypassing rc
by Jaye Mathisen 01 May '99

01 May '99

While I sit on hold at netapp, I'm just wondering if anybody's out there. I have a filer running 5.3, and I was trying one of the tips on the Netapp web page about making one of the interfaces a primary for CIFS, by rearranging things in /etc/rc, and while all I did was move one of the 2 ifconfig lines, something is boobered up now, and the filer dies with: Sat May 1 11:27:51 PDT [rc]: de_main: e10 : Link down. Sat May 1 11:27:51 PDT [rc]: de_main: e10 : Link down. Sat May 1 11:27:52 PDT [rc]: timed: time daemon started Sat May 1 11:27:52 PDT [Java Thread]: TimeDaemon: Can't connect to time server '10.0.1.3' NFS server is running. timed not found. Type '?' for a list of commands quota: vol0: run 'quota off' before 'quota on'. PANIC: ../common/nbt/nbns_receive.c:207: Assertion failure. on Sat May 1 18:27: 53 1999 version: NetApp Release 5.3: Thu Apr 1 11:18:39 PST 1999 cc flags: 1 dumping core: ..................................................Old core present on disk --- not dumped. Anyway, I guess I'll try some floppies, and see how far I get while I wait... Any tips appreciated.

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NOW profile 'Protocol Licenses'
by kg 01 May '99

01 May '99

Any chance that cluster licenses could get listed as well? http://now.netapp.com/cgi-bin/profile/protlicenses ..kg..

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Re: Hardware for F330
by Jay Orr 01 May '99

01 May '99

Ok, so if you can humor a newbie for a few more questions I'd appreciate it. I have a similar configuration with a tray off each slot. I can dasy-chain on more trays? Also, could I use a generic hot-swap SCSI cabinet? And if I put 9 gig drives in them, any special ones? Also, I notice on the sysconfig that both slot0 and 9 use Qlogic ISP 1020A scsi controllers. As best as I can see those are discontinued, but they're standard PCI scsi controllers -- anyone dropped in another PCI scsi controller and see what it does? And what's with your CPU speed? On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Luke Gain wrote: > I think the scsi card was made by netapp. so your only option may be the > slot0 controller. > > Here is my 330 config fwiw.. > (check out the cpu speed :) > -Luke > > > sysconfig -v > NetApp Release 4.3.4: Wed Apr 22 16:25:06 PDT 1998 > System ID: 0016781651 > slot 0: System Board 192 MHz (NetApp System Board I rev-b) > Firmware release: 1.6_i > Memory Size: 256 MB > slot 0: SCSI Host Adapter 0 (QLogic ISP 1020A) > Firmware Version 2.13 Clock Rate 40MHz. > 0: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 1: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 2: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 3: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 4: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 6: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 5: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > In-Band Enclosure Services > 0 Swap Events, 0 Enclosure Events > slot 0: Ethernet Controller e0 > MAC Address: 00:a0:98:00:08:ce (100tx-fd) > slot 6: NVRAM (NetApp NVRAM I) > Revision: D1 > Serial Number: 4435 > Memory Size: 8 MB > Battery 1 Status: 100% (3.18v) > Battery 2 Status: 100% (3.18v) > slot 9: Dual SCSI Host Adapter (NetApp SCSI Adapter I) > SCSI Host Adapter 9a (Qlogic ISP 1020A) > Firmware Version 2.13 Clock Rate 40MHz. > 0: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 1: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 2: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 3: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 4: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 5: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 6: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > In-Band Enclosure Services > 0 Swap Events, 0 Enclosure Events > SCSI Host Adapter 9b (Qlogic ISP 1020A) > Firmware Version 2.13 Clock Rate 40MHz. > 0: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 1: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 2: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 3: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 4: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 6: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > 5: SEAGATE ST15230N 0638 Size=3.9GB (8386733 blocks) > In-Band Enclosure Services > 0 Swap Events, 0 Enclosure Events > > > > > > Yes, that helps alot! Any idea on adding another scsi card? > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Luke Gain wrote: > > > > > Jay, > > > > > > I have found that standard Kingston 72pin parity memory works fine in > > > both my 220 and 330. You should be able to string a 3rd shelf > > > off of the controller on the motherboard. Don't know where to obtain the > > > Digital Storageworks shelf (Tech Data used to sell them). > > > Corprate Systems is normally a good source for drives. (www.corpsys.com) > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > -Luke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone can help. We are a small shop with 2 F330's with > > > > 2 disk cabinets on each one. We were looking into adding another tray on > > > > each, but were told by NetApps that they are no longer available. > > > > > > > > All I'm looking for is to upgrade the memory, add another scsi controller, > > > > and another tray (is that asking TOO MUCH???). Questions: Can I use off > > > > the shelf memory (and what kind)? What about SCSI controllers? Where can I > > > > get disk trays? Could we instead replace the drives with 9G or 18G drives > > > > (and what model would we use)? > > > > > > > > NetApps solution is to spend $60k+ to upgrade, and all we need is another > > > > 10G - 20G. The current system works fine, isn't overused, and could handle > > > > the expansion IF WE CAN FIND THE COMPONENTS... > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help. By the by, I've been looking for a toaster FAQ, is > > > > there one? > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > Fujitsu - Nexion, St. Louis, MO > > > > Jay Orr (314) 579-6517 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > Fujitsu - Nexion, St. Louis, MO > > Jay Orr (314) 579-6517 > > > > > > ----------- Fujitsu - Nexion, St. Louis, MO Jay Orr (314) 579-6517

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Re: Hardware for F330
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 01 May '99

01 May '99

On 04/30/99 18:53:15 you wrote: > >On Fri, Apr 30, 1999 at 12:34:30PM -0500, Jay Orr wrote: >> And what's with your CPU speed? > >Luke has bumped up his CPU speed using an overdrive processor. This is >pretty simple to do, but NetApp claims that bus bandwidth, not CPU speed is >the limiting factor in the F330/230/220 series of filers. It's not simply a claim; it's true. >NetApp says that >there is no benefit to an overdrive, I don't think they would claim _no_ benefit. Just that the benefit will be very minor in the majority of cases, and not worth the extra cost. Plus, since there are all sorts of reliability and timing issues that are changed by changing the processor speed, there configuration is likely to be less reliable. That being said, if your environment frequently experiences an NFS ops mix that is CPU-heavy and bus-light, a faster CPU could provide slightly better response times and peak operations. But this is a very unlikely situation. I suppose RAID reconstruction in the event of failure is probably noticeably faster, although you're probably hitting limits on the bus bandwidth as well once you exceed 90-120 MHz. The extra CPU might help the filer be a little more responsive to regular ops during reconstruction. >and I suspect that support is likely to >blame it for any trouble you have in the future. I suspect you're right. I'm surprised there haven't been any firmware problems already. Bruce

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netapp meets bugtraq. again.
by fubar＠mathworks.com 01 May '99

01 May '99

Ok, so I don't have the docs handy.. but if you have an "-access" options, it just seems kinda intuitive to me that you might actually *USE IT*. But maybe it's just me. ------- Start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: pashdown(a)XMISSION.COM (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Network Appliance NFS filer root hole Date: 28 Apr 1999 15:58:45 -0400 Organization: Bugtraq List Message-ID: <199904281658.KAA14944(a)slack.xmission.com> Reply-To: Pete Ashdown <pashdown(a)XMISSION.COM> For Network Appliance NFS filer release: NetApp Release 5.2.1: Thu Dec 31 12:56:45 PST 1998 Following "Example 1" on page 136 of the "System Administrator's Guide" for the Network Appliance results in a gaping hole. In this example, they explain that "the following line exports the root directory of the default filter volume to the administration host with root privileges." /vol/vol0 -root=adminhost This is all fine and good, but it also exports to the WORLD with root privileges. You have to specify either "-access", or "-rw", or "-ro" in addition to "-root" for this not to happen. When I mentioned this to my NetApp SE, I was met with quizzical looks, but no code-update or patch. Thusly, I sent it to bugtraq. ------- End -------

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RE: Digital UNIX clients -- no non-root access
by Muhlestein, Mark 01 May '99

01 May '99

I'm not sure what your problem is, but I can verify that internally here at NetApp we use DU 4.0D (rev 878) extensively on several Alpha machines against multiple filers with no issues. We have also run with 4.0E. What version of the filer software are you running? Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: sirbruce(a)ix.netcom.com [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 6:39 PM To: jgaski(a)WPI.EDU; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Digital UNIX clients -- no non-root access On 04/26/99 21:11:27 you wrote: >I have an open call with Network Appliance, but they have said that >there must be something strange in Compaq's implementation of the NFS >client. The same error occurs on Digital UNIX 4.0D pl3, 4.0E pl1, and >5.0 beta. It occurs whether the mount is soft or hard, udp or tcp, >nfsv3 or nfsv2. > >It seems like such a large, ubiquitous error that I can't believe >noone would have seen it before. I thought that Digital UNIX support >was standard, and I can't imagine how all of our Alpha clients could >be non-standard in such a way. You'd be surprised. Lots of vendors have little quirks in their implementation that, while they happen to work okay with one server, are really out of spec and may not work with another. However, I know that Digital Unix *used* to work, but the last I ever saw personally work was 4.0C. So either they've changed something, or something in the new Netapp release fixed/broke something. Bruce

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Re: Hardware for F330
by Jason D. Kelleher 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

In message <3729EEE9.AB4CD895(a)netapp.com>, Jerry Talkington writes: >Jay Orr wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> I was wondering if anyone can help. We are a small shop with 2 F330's wit >h >> 2 disk cabinets on each one. We were looking into adding another tray on >> each, but were told by NetApps that they are no longer available. > >I can't comment on the availability, but the F330 only supports two >shelves... Try again. That might be what it "officially" supports now, but we bought ours w/ two shelves and NetApp sold us two more. It's running w/ 4 shelves full of 4GB drives just fine. jason

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Unable to log onto NetApp machine
by michael＠applix.com 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

We've got a NetApp machine at our site (F330, NetApp Release 4.3.1: Wed Jan 21 02:57:32 PST 1998) that we can't log in to. It's up and running fine, and we can use rsh to run commands (like version or exportfs), but if I try to telnet to the box all the passwords I try don't work. On the system that's controling that particular server (Digital Unix), the etc directory that's mounted from the filer had no password file in it, and even after copying the passwd file from another NetApp box into the etc directory I'm still unable to get in. Do I need to reboot the filer, or is there some magic I can perform to set the password? There doesn't appear to be a passwd command, and checking the options command doesn't show anything that looks like it might apply.... Thanks in advance, -Mike -- Michael Steeves, System and Network Administrator (msteeves(a)applix.com) "I've got to start listening to those quiet, nagging doubts." -- Calvin and Hobbes

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