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Re: Sybase ASE & NetApp Filer [My Experiences].....
by Richard L. Rhodes 26 Apr '00

26 Apr '00

On 24 Apr 2000, at 14:36, Derek kelly wrote: > > The question this raises with me is- I wonder if going to Gigabit > between > the devices negates the speed issue. > > I can't speak about Sybase, but I'm running Oracle across Gigabit. In terms of the pipes size, I've never come close to 100MB/s. My F740 filers seem to top out at around 20MB/s. I "think" it's helping, in that there is less latency on the connection. But the problem I see mostly is high biod utilization under high i/o load (I'm running across nfs). Expecially things like creating tablespaces. On a 4 processor system (rs/6k-f50) I've seen biod run as high as 30% of the system. My disappointment is that NetApp doesn't supported gigabit jumbo packets, even though they announced they would support them quite a while ago when they first announced support for gigabit. I notice that those announcement letters are no longer available on their web site. A search for "jumbo" turns up nothing, where it used to turn up an announcement letter for Alteon nics and jumbo packets. Every db block (4k) thats read from the db requires 2.x ethernet packets. Under low utilization I never see the nfs load, under high utilization it becomes a monster. If Netapp is serious about wanting to run databases on the NetApp they need to support jumbo packets. Rick

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RE: Network Appliance Upgrade to ONTAP 5.3.4R3P2 and Backups
by Kelly Wyatt 26 Apr '00

26 Apr '00

We already do this. These failures are in the middle and at end of backups. This behavior of downing the drives at this point in the backups is new. Thanks, Kelly -- Kelly Wyatt, Kelly.Wyatt(a)SAS.com Systems Programmer Integrated Solutions Consulting SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Drive / Cary, NC 27513 http://www.sas.com The power to know TM

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Network Appliance Upgrade to ONTAP 5.3.4R3P2 and Backups
by Kelly Wyatt 26 Apr '00

26 Apr '00

We upgraded out filers to NetApp Release 5.3.4R3P2 this weekend. Since then, NBU 3.2 keeps downing the tape drives on several, but not all of the filers (3 of 9). This seems to happen before, during and after backups. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks!! Kelly -- Kelly Wyatt, Kelly.Wyatt(a)SAS.com Systems Programmer Integrated Solutions Consulting SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Drive / Cary, NC 27513 http://www.sas.com The power to know

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RE: IIS and netapp in existing unix world
by Hawley, Rob 25 Apr '00

25 Apr '00

The filer needs an account in the domain just like a user has an account in the domain. Server Manager is used to create the account. Once the account is created you run cifs setup (not setup) to join the domain. Ontap will allow you to manage shares and local group accounts using Server Manager and User Manager. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mailto: hawleyr(a)netapp.com US Mail: Network Appliance Inc. Phone: 408-822-6661 495 East Java Drive FAX: 408-822-4521 Sunnyvale, CA 94089 -----Original Message----- From: Mathew Anderson [mailto:mathew@nm.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 9:26 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: IIS and netapp in existing unix world Thanks for the help on this. I have upgraded ontap (first for everything.. painless... really painless.. rather nice!) I set up a PDC for my NT machines. now the question that I have is, how to add in a windows domain, (without rerunning setup) and use the server manager to manger the netapp. I get "access denied" on the NT machine when trying to connect to the netapp (720, Ontap 5.3.5R) with the server manager. Reading the SAG it appears that you can EITHER have nfs or cifs client administration.. The IIS white paper (http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html) is rather helpful, for those that are trying to use the netapp as a backend data store, thanks Paul for pointing me to this!) Thanks!! Mathew Anderson Systems Administration NM Technet Oso Grande Technologies, Inc. mathew(a)nm.net mathew(a)osogrande.net

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RE: Oopps! How do I get out of this?
by Sims, Aaron 25 Apr '00

25 Apr '00

One other thing to note is that if you follow the procedure below, the 4GB SCSI drive will become useless since DataONTAP marks the drive as bad. The system will not allow the drive to be reinserted into the filer. Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 1:44 PM > To: Cliff Nadler; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Oopps! How do I get out of this? > > > You could raid fail the SCSI drive, go into degraded mode, and > rebuild onto a new spare FCAL. It would be risky, though, since > there is a small chance of another disk failure during the rebuild > process. (Might be a good idea to do a raid scrub first.) You > will also take a performance hit during this process, of course. > > Bruce > >

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Oopps! How do I get out of this?
by Cliff Nadler 25 Apr '00

25 Apr '00

I have a filer which has both SCSI 9G (4 shelves) and FCAL 36Gb (2 shelves). Unfortunately, I was in a rush to add some disk to a volume and added my last SCSI disk to a volume that was all FCAL. How can I get this disk out of the volume and restore it to hot spare capability? I have 4 space 36G FCAL drives, but it's not enough to do a volcopy and just delete the old volume. here's the sysconfig -r output for the volume: RAID group 0 RAID Disk HA.ID HA SHELF BAY CHAN Used (MB/blks) Phys (MB/blks) --------- ----- ------------ ---- -------------- -------------- parity 0a.10 0a 1 2 FC:A 34500/70656000 34732/71132960 data 0a.9 0a 1 1 FC:A 34500/70656000 34732/71132960 data 0a.11 0a 1 3 FC:A 34500/70656000 34732/71132960 data 0a.12 0a 1 4 FC:A 34500/70656000 34732/71132960 data 8a.4 8a 0 5 8600/17612800 8683/17783240 data 0a.5 0a 0 5 FC:A 34500/70656000 34732/71132960 Thanks, -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cliff Nadler Collective Technologies, Inc. (a Pencom Company) cnadler(a)colltech.com (617)-443-1144 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To win, you must treat a pressure situation as an opportunity to succeed, not an opportunity to fail Gardner Dickinson

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RE: Oopps! How do I get out of this?
by Mohler, Jeff 25 Apr '00

25 Apr '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sims, Aaron [mailto:Aaron.Sims@netapp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:03 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: Oopps! How do I get out of this? > > > One other thing to note is that if you follow the procedure > below, the 4GB SCSI > drive will become useless since DataONTAP marks the drive as > bad. The system > will not allow the drive to be reinserted into the filer. > > Aaron Aaron is 100% correct, but there is a way out. But they are steps that should _only_ be taken with a NetApp engineer either handy in person, or on the phone. Please contact technical support on this issue.

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RE: IIS and netapp in existing unix world
by Mathew Anderson 25 Apr '00

25 Apr '00

Thanks for the help on this. I have upgraded ontap (first for everything.. painless... really painless.. rather nice!) I set up a PDC for my NT machines. now the question that I have is, how to add in a windows domain, (without rerunning setup) and use the server manager to manger the netapp. I get "access denied" on the NT machine when trying to connect to the netapp (720, Ontap 5.3.5R) with the server manager. Reading the SAG it appears that you can EITHER have nfs or cifs client administration.. The IIS white paper (http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html) is rather helpful, for those that are trying to use the netapp as a backend data store, thanks Paul for pointing me to this!) Thanks!! Mathew Anderson Systems Administration NM Technet Oso Grande Technologies, Inc. mathew(a)nm.net mathew(a)osogrande.net

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F740, Enclosure Services error message
by John Stoffel 24 Apr '00

24 Apr '00

Hi all, We're got a F740 running 5.3.4 and we're getting endlessly repeating messages in the logs that look like this: Sun Apr 16 03:00:00 EST [statd]: *** NOTICE *** Configuration error on disk storage shelf attached to slot 7. Please check drive placement. Sun Apr 16 03:07:07 EST [statd]: *** NOTICE *** Configuration error previously reported on disk storage shelf attached to slot 7 has been corrected. Sun Apr 16 03:18:52 EST [ses_admin]: No more valid paths to Enclosure Services in shelf 1 on host adapter 7. I've filed a call with NetApp, but no response yet. Any clues on what's happening here? Thanks, John x27548

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Sybase ASE & NetApp Filer [My Experiences].....
by Shahryar G. Hashemi 24 Apr '00

24 Apr '00

Greetings, I spent about 3+ days trying to get ASE & NetApp Filer to work properly. The platform I used was a Dual PIII 450 [1GB RAM] running Linux [RedHat 6.2] with 2.2.14 kernel and ASE 11.9.2.2 ESD #2 [EBF #8944]. The system has 2 Intel EtherExpress 10/100 cards. The NetApp Filer is a F720. I setup a direct network connection between the Linux server and the NetApp Filer [running 100 Base-T w/Full Duplex]. First of all I have to say the instructions located at http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3040.html were only tested on Solaris and not any other flavor or UNIX. Some of the NFS options were different or did not exist under Linux so it took me a while to get that done. Basically you need to have the "lockd" [NFS Lock Daemon] running and also use the "nolock" option for the NFS mount in order to make it work. After that I learned that you can only create the devices under the mount point [i.e. if your mount point is "/sybase" your devices must be "/sybase/<device>] or it will fail. Again none of this was located in the documentation. The creation of the server and devices was a lot better than creating file(s) on a RAID filesystem but about the same with using "partitions" on a RAID drive [with no filesystem]. Since ASE uses O_SYNC option [wait until the O.S. have verified your write before going forward] for filesystem files it ensure [to a point] that corruption of the database is minimized. However Sybase says that using filesystem files is still not a solution until ASE 12.0 [read below]. I had a working production database using this server and decided to do a little experiment. I did a backup of my database and then did a "reboot" of my system without shutting down Sybase. When the system came back up I tried to restart ASE but found out that the "sysusages" information for my database was corrupted. Working with Sybase I tried everything possible but had to drop/re-create my database from scratch. I called and informed NetApp of my problems and asked them to investigate it. It has been over 7 business days and I have not heard any further information from them. All in all I do not believe that using filesystem files is a solution for ASE on any platform. With ASE 12.0 they now switch to D_SYNC [wait until the write has been comitted to the file before continuing on] for filesystem files. This of course will make using filesystem files more of an option *but* it will also slow things down [you won't take the OS at it's word anymore] since you will guarantee that data will be written to your filesystem devices. Until NetApp can prove to me that their solution is faster than locally attached RAID using "partitions"/"raw I/O" [raw I/O is part of Linux 2.4.X kernel and probably ASE 12.5 for Linux] where we can do asynchronous read/write [filesystem will *always* be synchronous] I would not recommend it to anyone. Yours, Shahryar -- Shahryar Ghazneini Hashemi | E-Mail: shahryar(a)n2h2.com DBA - Operations Group | Telephone: +1 206 834-1739 N2H2 Inc. | FAX: +1 206 336-2971 900 4th Avenue Suite #3400 | Pager: +1 206 609-6154 Seattle, WA 98164 U.S.A. | E-Mail Pager: shahryar911(a)n2h2.cm Cell Phone: +1 206 930-2030 | Alt Pager: page_shahryar(a)chiefmojo.com ******************************************************************************

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