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Re: NIS problem with netgroup file
by Jagan Bearelly 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi Cheryl, I would also advise to go to 5.3.5R2. If you still have an issue after upgrade, I would like to look at netgroups entry for one of the clients in question along with autosupports, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf, etc. Please email the info directly to me at that point. Thank you. Regards, Jagan > From cruddace(a)feather.llnl.gov Thu May 25 17:32:29 2000 > Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:23:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cheryl Cruddace <cruddace(a)feather.llnl.gov> > Subject: Re: NIS problem with netgroup file > To: jagan(a)netapp.com > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-MD5: +YTS6ZN6Oo0B/5xulEuLqA== > > Jagan Bearelly wrote: > > >I am assuming you are using DNS. There should be case sensitive > >FQDN entry that matches the "nslookup" output for a given client > >and please see that dns.domainname is set with the same case > >sensitive value because "ypmatch" on NIS server is case sensitive. > > I am using DNS, I am not sure what you mean by case sensitive FQDN > or do you mean case insensitive? All combos of case seem to work > when I do an nslookup, i.e. feather, Feather, FEATHER...and none > of this mattered for the first 1-1/2 years so why now? The dns.domain > is set also. > > >Also, ONTAP version 5.3.4R3 doesn't have a fix for netgroup related > >issue (19922 netgroup lookups can fail with fully qualified domain > >name). This fix is available in 5.3.5, 5.3.5R1 and 5.3.5R2 which are > >the latest releases. > > > Thanks for the info. However, I went to the NOW site and the Data ONTAP > Release Advisor (a really neat tool I just found) said to go to 5.3.5r2. > So, is this not only the latest but also stable since stable is mucho > importante. I am running off to conquer new worlds in another week > and I can't get an unlisted number and hide since I will only be four > trailers away from where I am now. And, I don't want to leave a bunch > of limping filers as my legacy now do I??? > > Cheryl > >

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RE: Oracle and NTAP.
by Bruce.Clarke＠netapp.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

We have extensively tested many scenarios of filer/server failures in an Oracle environment. It is actually pretty hard to lose any data and we have yet to find a way to corrupt data if the steps outlined in the Technical Whitepapers are followed. In particular, you MUST use hard NFS mounts with Oracle. The situation described below will only be a problem if soft NFS mounts are used. Bruce Clarke Network Appliance, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Tao [mailto:taob@risc.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:43 PM To: foo Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Oracle and NTAP. On Wed, 24 May 2000, foo wrote: > > Specifically they mentioned a situation they had experienced while > testing a netapp/oracle environment which would cause total > corruption and require restoration from backup. The specific > situation is a case where the filer loses power but the DB server > doesn't. Their claim is that if this occurs there is no method to > recover the DB other than from backup. Can they publish the exact steps they used to produce this behaviour? We have various flavours of Oracle 7 and 8 (not 8i) with tables stored over NFS on a clustered pair of F740's. We ran a simple test that repeatedly inserted 100 rows, deleted 99 rows, inserted 100 rows, deleted 99 rows, ad infinitum. In the middle of that, we yanked the power from one of the F740's. This triggered a failover to the other F740. During that time, NFS service is suspended, and you can see transactions from sqlplus hang for about 90 seconds. The NVRAM logs are replayed during the takeover, NFS service is restored, and the test script continues running. All records that we expect to see in the database are accounted for. Granted, this is a very simple test, so I'd like to know how your DBA's were able to produce the behaviour they claimed to have seen. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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RE: Interaction of /etc/hosts.equiv and telnet.hosts option
by tim.thompson＠netapp.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

> We agree that rsh hosts shouldn't need to be in "options telnet.hosts" - > this is ridiculous. NetApp needs to revert this behaviour so that > hosts.equiv is all that is necessary for rsh access. We agree as well. This ill-advised change to the behaviour of rsh will be backed-out at the earliest opportunity, including if possible the maintenance releases of 5.3. This change was made some time ago (introduced in 5.3) before there was a more formal review process. We tried to address the issue with documentation but customers continue to run into problems. We now have (and have had for the past year) an official and active "UI Review" process. Our developers are instructed: "If you're developing a new feature, or modifying or removing an existing feature, and the feature has an interface that's visible to customers, you need to get the change reviewed by the UI Review Team." The UI Review Team includes representatives from each engineering group (including TechPubs) and Customer Satisfaction. UI changes are discussed at length before being approved by this team. Naturally, the goal is to produce better user interfaces and prevent ill-advised changes from affecting our customers. ...Tim Thompson...Network Appliance, Inc...

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RE: vol copy speed?
by jeff.mohler＠netapp.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

You should see a max of about 17.5Mb/sec using vol copy between two Gig interfaces...two 100Bt interfaces..well, then you'll only do 100Mbit. Vol copy is free. Its a block for block copy, so the usual NFS performance numbers do not apply as far as how fast you can move data, the bottleneck will be on the destination end. I will preserve snapshots as well. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Losen [mailto:scl@sasha.acc.virginia.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:11 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: vol copy speed? We have two F630s in a CF pair, with a total of 7 shelves of 9G drives. We are upgrading to 5.3.5R2P2 and adding 12 36G drives in 2 shelves. We have enough spare slots and spare disks in our existing 7 shelves to depopulate one shelf and leave us with 42 9G disks in 6 shelves 12 36G disks in 2 shelves We want to do some reshuffling of our shelves between the two filers. We plan to copy the following volume to a new volume consisting of 10 36G disks (leaving 2 hot spares). Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /vol/vol0/ 139160864 115462812 23698052 83% /vol/vol0/ /vol/vol0/.snapshot 34790216 12362380 22427836 36% /vol/vol0/.snapshot We are thinking about using vol copy and we would like to preserve all the snapshots. I think it would be faster to copy locally. However, we have 100Mb ethernet between the two filers, so would it be faster to hook up the shelves on different filers and vol copy across the net? If this copy can be done in under, say, 5 hours, we have the luxury of turning off NFS and CIFS and giving vol copy 100% of the CPU. We have to shut down both filers for OS upgrade, recabling shelves, etc., so downtime is inevitable. But if this copy is going to take over 5 hours, that's probably too long. Is there any information about how fast vol copy runs? Am I correct that vol copy does not require a special license? We figure that we have two options here 1) one lengthy downtime where we use vol copy during the downtime. 2) two shorter downtimes. In the first downtime we upgrade the OS and add the 36G shelves. Then we bring the filers back up and run a relatively slow dump/restore that loses snapshots. In the second downtime we run an incremental dump/restore and move the disk shelves to their final locations. If vol copy is "fast enough," option 1 would be easier and less disruptive than option 2. Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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RE: supported Tape Drives
by Grant.Melvin＠netapp.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

Hi Jason, We are working in engineering with other tape technologies and have plans to support some of them later this year, when we do we'll update TIP 99. Until then if you need information on what's coming you should talk to your sales rep. Cheers, Grant -----Original Message----- From: jmiddlebrooks(a)datalink.com [mailto:jmiddlebrooks@datalink.com] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:32 PM To: Melvin, Grant Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: supported Tape Drives The date on TIP_99 is November 23, 1998. You mean that Netapp has not qualified any more tape drives since then? Tape Technology has changed quite a bit since then..... Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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RE: Migrating from NetApp to new NetApp
by Francett, Robert D (SAIC) 25 May '00

25 May '00

Definately check out ndmpcopy. We've had very good luck with it. 0-9 dump levels supported so bulk of transfers can happen without affecting production, then downtime/no access time for final level dump of data thus keeping downtime to a minumum. Also supports additional comms card (real handy if both filers have Gig enet). Example: ndmpcopy oldfiler:/vol/datapath newfiler:/vol/datapath -sa root:password -da root:password -dhost gige_address -level 4 Administered from the adminhost; only real shortcoming is that password is advertised, so take precautions there. (If your password has special characters in it they'll have to be preceded with "\" in command line.) Bob Francett BP Exploration (Alaska) > ---------- > From: Kelsey Cummings[SMTP:kgc@sonic.net] > Reply To: kgc(a)sonic.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 1:50 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Migrating from NetApp to new NetApp > > I've got a f230 with 4 shelves of 4GB disks and its replacement, an > f740. I talked to netapp support and they recommended that the best > method to move the data from the f230 to the f740 would be to tapes with > dump and restore. I can't believe that there isn't a more efficient way > to do this. We are an ISP and all mail/ftp/http is served off of the > netapp, any downtime will be painfull so we'd like to minimize it as > best we can. > > What choices to migrate the data do we have? We've considered tar/cpio > over nfs but that's going to take some time even if we migrate one > service at a time. dump/restore seems clumsy. and plain ole 'cp' would > take forever. Apparently there are issues with volcopy going from SCSI > to FCAL, is that true? > > -- > Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net > System Administrator 300 B Street, Ste 101 > 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95404 > 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ > Fingerprint = 7F 59 43 1B 44 8A 0D 57 91 08 73 73 7A 48 90 C5 >

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RE: supported Tape Drives
by jmiddlebrooks＠datalink.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

The date on TIP_99 is November 23, 1998. You mean that Netapp has not qualified any more tape drives since then? Tape Technology has changed quite a bit since then..... Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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RE: supported Tape Drives
by Grant.Melvin＠netapp.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

Hi Jason, TIP 99 at: http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/contents/TIP/TIP_99.shtml Cheers, Grant -----Original Message----- From: jmiddlebrooks(a)datalink.com [mailto:jmiddlebrooks@datalink.com] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:19 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: supported Tape Drives Where could I find a list of qualified tape drives that can be attached to the F700 series filer? Thanks in Advance Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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RE: Migrating from NetApp to new NetApp
by jeff.mohler＠netapp.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

Or even 'vol vopy' as well..its free, and will work at max possible performance between your two. Mind you..that any changes in the data as you copy..may not migrate across as well unless you do schedule a downtime. If you were my customer and I had to do this..I would use vol copy. -----Original Message----- From: Harechmak, John Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:31 PM To: kgc(a)sonic.net; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Migrating from NetApp to new NetApp Hi, There is a whitepaper that might be interest on the netapp website: "Migrating Data Between NetApp Filers" http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3018.html. Have you considered NDMPcopy? -- johnrh -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Cummings [mailto:kgc@sonic.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:50 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Migrating from NetApp to new NetApp I've got a f230 with 4 shelves of 4GB disks and its replacement, an f740. I talked to netapp support and they recommended that the best method to move the data from the f230 to the f740 would be to tapes with dump and restore. I can't believe that there isn't a more efficient way to do this. We are an ISP and all mail/ftp/http is served off of the netapp, any downtime will be painfull so we'd like to minimize it as best we can. What choices to migrate the data do we have? We've considered tar/cpio over nfs but that's going to take some time even if we migrate one service at a time. dump/restore seems clumsy. and plain ole 'cp' would take forever. Apparently there are issues with volcopy going from SCSI to FCAL, is that true? -- Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net System Administrator 300 B Street, Ste 101 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95404 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ Fingerprint = 7F 59 43 1B 44 8A 0D 57 91 08 73 73 7A 48 90 C5

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Migrating from NetApp to new NetApp
by Kelsey Cummings 25 May '00

25 May '00

I've got a f230 with 4 shelves of 4GB disks and its replacement, an f740. I talked to netapp support and they recommended that the best method to move the data from the f230 to the f740 would be to tapes with dump and restore. I can't believe that there isn't a more efficient way to do this. We are an ISP and all mail/ftp/http is served off of the netapp, any downtime will be painfull so we'd like to minimize it as best we can. What choices to migrate the data do we have? We've considered tar/cpio over nfs but that's going to take some time even if we migrate one service at a time. dump/restore seems clumsy. and plain ole 'cp' would take forever. Apparently there are issues with volcopy going from SCSI to FCAL, is that true? -- Kelsey Cummings - kgc(a)sonic.net sonic.net System Administrator 300 B Street, Ste 101 707.522.1000 (Voice) Santa Rosa, CA 95404 707.547.2199 (Fax) http://www.sonic.net/ Fingerprint = 7F 59 43 1B 44 8A 0D 57 91 08 73 73 7A 48 90 C5

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