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FWD: Any reason not to buy a FAS3220 over a FAS2240-2?
by Matt Kilham 27 Jun '13

27 Jun '13

Thanks to all those who replied - very helpful. We're going to go for te 3220 with FlashPool. Cheers, Matt Original Message: ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- FROM: Matt Kilham (stratton) TO: Mailing Lists DATE: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:32:42 +1000 RE: Any reason not to buy a FAS3220 over a FAS2240-2? Hi everyone, We are getting towards the pointy end of the procurement phase of an infrastructure refresh at our SME. Part of this is replacing an aging (badly) FAS2050 + a couple of DS14Mk4 shelves with a new NetApp filer. The FAS2240-2 was an obvious candidate, as even an entry-level system such as this provides more than enough performance and capacity for our current and planned needs for the next few years. However, a key part of our upgrade plan was implementing FlashPool, and we only discovered late in the piece that the FAS2xxx series has a 400GB usable FlashPool limit per HA pair. This is/was cause for concern around whether this would be sufficient for us given a pending VDI deployment, and led to a flurry of research into alternatives, quotes on alternative systems, etc. Where we have "landed" is that we have been quoted on two options - the original FAS2240-2 and a FAS3220*, with otherwise identical disks/software licenses/etc. The interesting part is that the FAS3220 quote is only fractionally more expensive than the 2240-2 (think 5% or so). I am being told that the reason for the close-to-price-parity is a sharp deal on the FAS3220, whereas the FAS2240-2 is close to being a fixed price / fixed margin unit. While I have not yet verified the truth of the above (that the reason for price parity is a cheap 3220 quote, not an expensive 2240-2 quote), if we take it at face value that this is true and hence can buy a FAS3220 for essentially the same price as a FAS2240-2, can anyone think of any good reasons why we wouldn't take the FAS3220 (remembering it is overkill for us in every way except the FlashPool limit)? All I can think of is that ongoing support / warranty will be a bit more expensive, and any additional software licenses purchased later will cost more (can anyone quantify approx how much?). I think the former is worth the cost, and the latter isn't too much of a concern as we barely use any separately licensed features now and I don't envision this changing in the future (except perhaps for SnapMirror - we may implement that). Thoughts from the gurus? And thanks, in advance. * we actually have two FAS3220 quotes, which are essentially the same price and spec except that one provides 7 x 200GB SSDs for 400GB + 200GB of FlashPool, and the other provides 2 x 512GB FlashCache cards. Secondary question here: for a small environment like ours that will only have one aggregate per controller, I'm thinking the FlashPool options makes more sense, but would like sanity check here - thoughts? Cheers, Matt

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Any reason not to buy a FAS3220 over a FAS2240-2?
by Matt Kilham 27 Jun '13

27 Jun '13

Hi everyone, We are getting towards the pointy end of the procurement phase of an infrastructure refresh at our SME. Part of this is replacing an aging (badly) FAS2050 + a couple of DS14Mk4 shelves with a new NetApp filer. The FAS2240-2 was an obvious candidate, as even an entry-level system such as this provides more than enough performance and capacity for our current and planned needs for the next few years. However, a key part of our upgrade plan was implementing FlashPool, and we only discovered late in the piece that the FAS2xxx series has a 400GB usable FlashPool limit per HA pair. This is/was cause for concern around whether this would be sufficient for us given a pending VDI deployment, and led to a flurry of research into alternatives, quotes on alternative systems, etc. Where we have "landed" is that we have been quoted on two options - the original FAS2240-2 and a FAS3220*, with otherwise identical disks/software licenses/etc. The interesting part is that the FAS3220 quote is only fractionally more expensive than the 2240-2 (think 5% or so). I am being told that the reason for the close-to-price-parity is a sharp deal on the FAS3220, whereas the FAS2240-2 is close to being a fixed price / fixed margin unit. While I have not yet verified the truth of the above (that the reason for price parity is a cheap 3220 quote, not an expensive 2240-2 quote), if we take it at face value that this is true and hence can buy a FAS3220 for essentially the same price as a FAS2240-2, can anyone think of any good reasons why we wouldn't take the FAS3220 (remembering it is overkill for us in every way except the FlashPool limit)? All I can think of is that ongoing support / warranty will be a bit more expensive, and any additional software licenses purchased later will cost more (can anyone quantify approx how much?). I think the former is worth the cost, and the latter isn't too much of a concern as we barely use any separately licensed features now and I don't envision this changing in the future (except perhaps for SnapMirror - we may implement that). Thoughts from the gurus? And thanks, in advance. * we actually have two FAS3220 quotes, which are essentially the same price and spec except that one provides 7 x 200GB SSDs for 400GB + 200GB of FlashPool, and the other provides 2 x 512GB FlashCache cards. Secondary question here: for a small environment like ours that will only have one aggregate per controller, I'm thinking the FlashPool options makes more sense, but would like sanity check here - thoughts? Cheers, Matt

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6290 10G ports vs PCI 10G cards
by Jeff Cleverley 19 Jun '13

19 Jun '13

Greetings, I haven't been able to find out anything about the bus speeds for the ports on a 6290. The hardware universe shows an order to fill slots for things like 10G or SAS controllers. This makes me believe all the ports are not the same. I was thinking of using the on-board 10G ports instead of a dual port PCI card that would be in one of the top 5 priority slots. We do have the IOX module on the arrays. Does anyone know where I can find this information? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611

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roles an capabilities in ONTAP: the missing link in security-*
by Michael Bergman 10 Jun '13

10 Jun '13

Greeting, does anyone know what the secret (undocumented) security-* capability which allows you to elevate to diag level and see those CLI commands, i.e. running 'priv set diag', is called? The man pages for 8.1.x tells us this: - - - The security-* type currently only has a few elements (5): security-passwd-change-others which is used specifically to control if a user can change another user's password without knowing their previous password. By default, only root and members of the Administrators group have this capability. security-priv-advanced which is necessary to run advanced commands that are not used for normal administration. Please talk to a NetApp Inc representative before using advanced commands. By default, only root and members of the Administrators group have this capability. security-api-vfiler Normally a client will send ONTAP APIs directly to a vfiler if it wishes the API to be executed on the vfiler. The security-apivfiler capability is necessary to send ONTAP APIs to the physical node which are to be forwarded to a vfiler for execution. By default, only root and members of the Administrators group have this capability. security-load-lclgroups which is necessary to run the useradmin domainuser load command. This command changes all group membership. By default, only root and members of the Administrators group have this capability. security-complete-user-control which is used to allow an admin to add, modify, and delete users, groups and roles with more capabilities than himself. These users typically only have access to the cli-useradmin* and associated commands, though they can give themselves greater permissions. By default, only root and members of the Administrators group have this capability. - - - So that's fine and setting security-priv-advanced gives the results I expected. But it will not allow you to execute 'priv set diag'. However, setting up a role with capability security-* will, so there's at least one more in there with a name unknown to me. I tried a few educated guesses like security-priv-diag security-priv-diagnostics security-diag security-diagnostics security-priv-* security-priv-advdiag security-priv-advanced-diag plus a some more along those lines, to no avail. I'm assuming there is something in there that has a specific name -- this assumption could be wrong of course /M -- Michael Bergman Sr Systems Analyst / Storage Architect michael.bergman a ericsson d com Engineering Hub Stockholm Phone +46 10 715xxxx Service Delivery, Engineering EMEA N SMS/MMS +46 70 548xxxx Ericsson Torshamnsg 33, 16480 Sthlm, Sweden

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clustered ontap monitoring snapmirror lag?
by Blake Golliher 10 Jun '13

10 Jun '13

Hi! It looks as if the concept of a 'snapmirror lag' has been scrubbed from Clustered OnTap, at least on 8.1.2P3. 'snapmirror show' will show the state, and transferring, but there's no lag, or a start time that I can extrapolate. There's a progress, which reports what's been transferred, but no lag. The api documentation doesn't have any mention of snapmirror lag in snapmirror-info attributes-list. There's no support of snapmirror in snmp (at least so far). So does DFM (or whatever they call it now) monitor this? And how would it? Thanks for any and all suggestions. If I find where this data is, I'll put the script on github. -Blake

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Fixing LUN Misalignment on Physical Machines
by Philbert Rupkins 08 Jun '13

08 Jun '13

Hello Toasters, I found a ton of information regarding fixing misalignment issues in virtual environments. However, I am interested in how to resolve misalignment on a physical machine. The only way I am aware of is to create a new LUN and perform a host based copy of the data to the new LUN. Is this my only option or are there any other methods that require less overhead/downtime? Here is the situation: Server OS = Windows 2008 Server LUN Type = Windows 2008 Partition Type = MBR (W2K3) How did we get a W2K3 MBR partition out of a Windows 2008 server? We didnt. The LUN was originally created by a W2K3 machine while using an EMC storage array. The W2K3 server was eventually retired and the LUN was presented to the W2K8 machine. The LUN was then migrated to a NetApp array using a block for block mirror of the data from the EMC LUN to the NetApp LUN. Unfortunately, the NetApp LUN was created as a windows_2008 lun type because it was going to be used by a Windows 2008 server - this is where the mistake was made. So now, we have a Windows Server 2008 box with a disk using a 2003-MBR partition type on windows_2008 lun type. Again, I'd like to fix the misalignment issue in the easiest way possible. Creating a new lun and performing a host based copy of the data is doable but requires a fair amount of overhead. Just wondering if there is a more efficient way to resolve lun alignment issues with physical machines. Thanks! -Phil

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SAS port speeds
by Jeff Cleverley 07 Jun '13

07 Jun '13

Greetings, We have a stack of DS4243 shelves for a NearStore running SATA/BSAS drives. We will be getting some DS4246 with the 4TB FSAS drives. I know it is supported to put them in the same stack, my understanding is everything in the stack will drop to 3 GB/s speed. Since the HBAs run 2 ports on one chip, does that one chip control the speed for both ports A/B, or are they separate? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611

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growing a vol on vFiler that is a source in Vfiler DR relationship
by Iluhes 05 Jun '13

05 Jun '13

Hello Toasters, What is the best procedure to grow a volume on the vFiler that is a source in VFiler DR setup. Is there a need to break / queues replication somehow

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Performance Advisor Reporting on V-Series Initiator Ports?
by Philbert Rupkins 24 May '13

24 May '13

Hello, Anybody know if there is any way to report on a V-Series initiator ports from Performance Advisor? Looks like Performance Advisor only captures metrics for target ports on the NetApp. The best I can find is enabling the "hostadapter" metrics in a custom view. Would be nice if PA included an object for V-Series initiators out of the box along with some expanded counters. Hopefully I am just missing something. Thanks, Phil

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Boot version info.
by Jeff Cleverley 24 May '13

24 May '13

Greetings, I'm replacing a 3140 with a 3270 stand-alone NearStore replacement. The current 3140 OS is 8.1.2P3 and the new head shipped with 8.1.2. Is that going to be close enough for the system to boot from the old system root disk, or does it have to be an exact match? If there is a way to modify the boot config from the command line instead of pulling the compact flash, I'd be OK with that also. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611

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