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Filer Performance in a CIFS environment
by Mike Hopkins 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

I know this is a generalized question where the answer is shaped by a basketful of variables, but I need to start somewhere. I have a Filer 740 that I am using to store files for a Win2000 web server. Pages served up by this combination of hardware are noticeably slower(5 to 10 seconds versus 1 second) than storing the web content on the local drive of the web server. This may not seem like much of a slowdown, but people notice these things and it is a big issue. So, what are some of the things that cause performance hits in a CIFS environment. Any suggestions, war stories, magic potions, or good old fashioned know-how is greatly appreciated. Mike Hopkins Broad Daylight, Inc.

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RE: W2000 CIFS login problem DOT 5.3.5R2P2
by Jankowski Ted-CTJ012 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

This seems to be a bug with SP1 for win2k. It was working fine for us until then. NetApp has a dubbed it a bug, #28491, but the web page hasn't been updated with any info. I don't know how long it takes for the web page to be updated. I don't think they've determined who is at fault. -Ted -----Original Message----- From: Steve Losen [mailto:scl@sasha.acc.virginia.edu] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:41 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: W2000 CIFS login problem DOT 5.3.5R2P2 I was wondering if anyone else has seen this and if they know whether it is a problem with W2000 or DOT 5.3.5R2P2 We are using unix authentication for CIFS logins, so W2000 is set up for logging into a samba server. It works fine on a samba server but we are having problems with the filer. We turned on CIFS login logging to /etc/messages and the problem is obvious. The first character of the loginid is missing in the log message. I don't know if the PC or the filer is losing it. We'll have to set up a sniffer to find out. Has anyone else seen this one? I'm on NOW looking for this bug. If I don't find it, I'll open a case. There was an earlier bug where W2000 could not login to CIFS with unix authentication, but that is fixed in 5.3.5R2P2. Perhaps it wasn't completely fixed. We are having no problems with CIFS logins from NT, W95, and W98. (Have to enable clear text passwords, of course.) And I'm pretty sure some folks have had success from W2000, so this probably does not happen to everyone. Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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Re: Jumbo frames
by Eyal Traitel 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

It was once planned, then was dropped somehow. Now it is said to be in a future release... Eyal. --- callnet 0800 <mail(a)thejewellerycatalogue.co.uk> wrote: > I am hearing a lot of talk about jumbo ethernet frames and their > ability to speed up file serving. Is this correct? > > Do NetApps support jumbo frames and if so, what version of OnTAP? > > Regards, > > James > ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) *** eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! *** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

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Jumbo frames
by callnet 0800 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

I am hearing a lot of talk about jumbo ethernet frames and their ability to speed up file serving. Is this correct? Do NetApps support jumbo frames and if so, what version of OnTAP? Regards, James

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RE: What about SSH
by Philip, Nicolas 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

Jay, You are right only the password authentication mode is supported. But I am not sure what I mentioned implied the use of authorized_hosts? Once the session key is generated and encrypted by the client (using the RSA public key of the server), the server receive it and decrypt it using its private key. Then user authentication takes place. Please let me know directly if the use of an authorized_hosts file would work better for your environment. Hope this helps. Nicolas. -----Original Message----- From: Igor Schein [mailto:igor@txc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:31 PM To: Philip, Nicolas Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: What about SSH On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 04:44:18PM -0700, Philip, Nicolas wrote: > Jay, > > Mike is right, SecureAdmin 1.0 is a product sold separately that installs a SSH > server (Secure Shell protocol) on your filer running Data ONTAP 5.3.x. It > supports SSH 1.x clients only. > > It uses RSA for key echange (Host/Server key up to 1024 bits) and DES (56 bits) > or 3DES for data encryption. > Filer commands and your login name + password are therefore encrypted when > passed over the network to your remote filer. Hmm, when I was testing SecureAdmin, I determined that it supports password-only authentication. I called support and they confirmed it. If you're saying it's not so, then I should be able to create authorized_hosts file on the filer, right? Where would it be located? Thanks Igor

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Re: Filer Performance in a CIFS environment
by Eyal Traitel 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

Just general suggestions: 1. Are you sure this is a CIFS-only problem ? Check that your network cards are set to 100MBit, Full-duplex on both sides, or better yet, move to gigabit... 2. Why not buy an HTTP license and use the filer as the web server itself ? 3. To the point - check your filer OnTAP version - there were many CIFS changes lately as I know - maybe performance also... 4. Be more explicit - give us your "sysstat", "sysconfig -r". You can also run from rc_toggle_basic "statit -b", then after some web pages flowing around, do "statit -e" into a file. You will be able to see disk activity there and see if it's the filer's "behinds". Check also for network errors in "netstat". Eyal. --- Mike Hopkins <Mike(a)broaddaylight.com> wrote: > I know this is a generalized question where the answer is shaped by a > basketful of variables, but I need to start somewhere. I have a > Filer 740 > that I am using to store files for a Win2000 web server. > > Pages served up by this combination of hardware are noticeably > slower(5 to > 10 seconds versus 1 second) than storing the web content on the local > drive > of the web server. This may not seem like much of a slowdown, but > people > notice these things and it is a big issue. > > So, what are some of the things that cause performance hits in a CIFS > environment. Any suggestions, war stories, magic potions, or good > old > fashioned know-how is greatly appreciated. > > > > Mike Hopkins > Broad Daylight, Inc. ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) *** eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! *** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

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No TIME STAMP for new files created on Filer
by Bawa, Rashid 08 Aug '00

08 Aug '00

> We have a F740 Netapps Filer which has filesystems NFS mounted on to a Sun > Unix server (Solaris 2.7). > > When new files are created on the NFS mounted filesystem on the filer, the > time stamp does not show-up ("ls -la") until later; it looks as though > there is some event that triggers the display of the time-stamp. > > Wondering if anyone has come across the same problem/feature! >

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RE: Moving from one NT domain to another.
by Summers, John 07 Aug '00

07 Aug '00

Jeremy, From a recent training course, it was noted that if you move a filer between NT Domains, the lclgroups.cfg is not refreshed. It is best to delete this file and have it recreated by the filer when joining the new domain. Also be sure to add the filer's host name to the NT Domain (under NT) before running the setup information on the filer. John Summers -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy A. Rosengren [mailto:jeremy@rosengren.org] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:45 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Moving from one NT domain to another. We have an interesting problem that I'm hoping somebody on the list has first-hand experience with. We could use some suggestions. We are going to be moving from one NT domain to another. An account in Domain A, user1 does not have the same SID as the same account name in Domain B, so once you move, you would have to go through and reassign access permissions with the account in Domain B. This would be acceptable to us, but the problem is the same situation occurs for Administrator between the two domains, so we're worried about losing Administrator access to our filer. We would be able to put up with reassigning all user permissions afterward if we could resolve the Administrator problem. The question is, how do we move a filer from one NT domain to another, and still have Administrator access to it afterward? Thanks, -- jeremy

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Moving from one NT domain to another.
by Jeremy A. Rosengren 07 Aug '00

07 Aug '00

We have an interesting problem that I'm hoping somebody on the list has first-hand experience with. We could use some suggestions. We are going to be moving from one NT domain to another. An account in Domain A, user1 does not have the same SID as the same account name in Domain B, so once you move, you would have to go through and reassign access permissions with the account in Domain B. This would be acceptable to us, but the problem is the same situation occurs for Administrator between the two domains, so we're worried about losing Administrator access to our filer. We would be able to put up with reassigning all user permissions afterward if we could resolve the Administrator problem. The question is, how do we move a filer from one NT domain to another, and still have Administrator access to it afterward? Thanks, -- jeremy

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W2000 CIFS login problem DOT 5.3.5R2P2
by Steve Losen 07 Aug '00

07 Aug '00

I was wondering if anyone else has seen this and if they know whether it is a problem with W2000 or DOT 5.3.5R2P2 We are using unix authentication for CIFS logins, so W2000 is set up for logging into a samba server. It works fine on a samba server but we are having problems with the filer. We turned on CIFS login logging to /etc/messages and the problem is obvious. The first character of the loginid is missing in the log message. I don't know if the PC or the filer is losing it. We'll have to set up a sniffer to find out. Has anyone else seen this one? I'm on NOW looking for this bug. If I don't find it, I'll open a case. There was an earlier bug where W2000 could not login to CIFS with unix authentication, but that is fixed in 5.3.5R2P2. Perhaps it wasn't completely fixed. We are having no problems with CIFS logins from NT, W95, and W98. (Have to enable clear text passwords, of course.) And I'm pretty sure some folks have had success from W2000, so this probably does not happen to everyone. Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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