toasters June 2006

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Re: Move shelf between fiber loops.
by Tim McCarthy 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

The filer reads all disk labels at boot time. No matter what loops the disks are on, the filer will find them and associate them to the appropriate volume. For maximum performance, you could distribute half of your volume disks on one loop and the other half on the second loop. Mark Waddell wrote: > First post on list. > > I have a F760 with 8 FC-9 shelves. Running ONTAP 6.5.2R1. I want to add > one more shelf. I see 8 on a fiber channel is max so I need to first > install a second fiber loop. > > Instead of having 8 shelves on more fiber channel and 1 on the 2nd FC it > seems logical that I should distribute the disks shelves over the two fiber > channels. Question is if I move a disk shelf from one fiber loop to another > will the OS find all the volumes on boot. Or is there something I must do > configuration wise. > > Thanks > mark

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by Majordomo＠Softimage.COM 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

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by Susan Bryan 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

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YOUR URGENT RESPONSE IS NEEDED
by Jennifer Leary 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

FROM: Sgt. Jennifer Leary To whom it may concern. I am an American soldier, I am serving in the military of the 1st Armored Division in Iraq, as you know we are being attacked by insurgents everyday and car bombs. We managed to move funds belonging to Saddam Hussein's family. The total amount is US$7.2Million dollars in cash, mostly 100 dollar bills. We want to move this money to you, so that you may invest it for us and keep our share for banking.We will take 60%, my partner and I. You take the other 40%. No strings attached, just help us move it out of Iraq, Iraq is a war zone. We plan on using diplomatic courier and shipping the money out in one large silver box, using diplomatic immunity. If you are interested I will send you the full details, my job is to find a good partner that we can trust and that will assist us. Can I trust you? When you receive this letter, kindly send me an e-mail signifying your interest including your most confidential telephone/fax numbers for quick communication also your contact details. This business is risk free. The box can be shipped out in 48hrs. Respectfully, Sgt. Jennifer Leary Private Email: jenniferleary25(a)aim.com SPANISH LANGUAGE DE: Sgt. Jennifer Leary A quien pueda interesar. Soy soldado americano, Estoy desempen'ando servicios en los militares del Primero División armada en Iraq, como usted sabe cerca nos están atacando insurrectos diarios y bombas de coche. Manejamos mover los fondos que pertenecían a la familia de Saddam Hussein. la cantidad total es dólares de US$7.2Million en efectivo, sobre todo 100 cuentas de dólar. Deseamos mover este dinero a usted, de modo que usted pueda invertirlo para nosotros y guarde nuestra parte para las actividades bancarias.Tomaremos el 60%, mi socio y yo. Usted toma el otro 40%. Ningunas secuencias unidas, justo ayúdenos a moverlo de Iraq, Iraq es una zona de la guerra. Planeamos en usar el mensajero diplomático y enviar el dinero hacia fuera en una caja de plata grande, usar inmunidad diplomática. Si usted soy interesado le enviaré los detalles completos, mi trabajo está al hallazgo a buen socio a que podemos confiar en y que nos asistirá. ¿Puedo confiarle en? Cuando usted recibe esta letra, amablemente envíeme significar del E-mail su interés incluyendo su teléfono más confidencial números de fax para comunicación rápida también sus detalles del contacto. Este negocio es riesgo libremente. La caja se puede enviar hacia fuera en 48hrs. Respetuosamente, Sgt. Jennifer Leary Email Privado: jenniferleary25(a)aim.com FRENCH LANGUAGE DE : Sgt. Jennifer Leary À qui de droit. Je suis un soldat américain, Je sers dans les militaires du 1er Division blindée en Irak, comme vous savez nous sommes attaqués près insurgés journaliers et bombes de voiture. Nous sommes parvenus à déplacer des fonds appartenant à la famille de Saddam Hussein. le montant total est des dollars d'USS7.2Million comptant, la plupart du temps 100 billets d'un dollar. Nous voulons déplacer cet argent à vous, de sorte que vous puissiez l'investir pour nous et gardez notre part pour des opérations bancaires.Nous prendrons 60%, mon associé et I. Vous prenez l'autre 40%. Aucunes cordes jointes, juste aidez-nous à le déplacer hors de l'Irak, L'Irak est une zone de guerre. Nous projetons sur employer le courier diplomatique et l'expédition l'argent dehors dans une grande boîte argentée, employer l'immunité diplomatique. Si vous suis intéressé je vous enverrai les détails complets, mon travail est à la trouvaille a bon associé au lequel nous pouvons faire confiance et qui nous aidera. Est-ce que je peux vous faire confiance ? Quand vous recevez cette lettre, nous vous saurions gré de m'envoyer signifier de E-mail votre intérêt comprenant votre téléphone plus confidentielnuméros de fax pour communication rapide aussi vos détails de contact. Ces affaires sont risque librement. La boîte peut être embarquée dehors dans 48hrs. Avec respect, Sgt. Jennifer Leary Email Privé : jenniferleary25(a)aim.com

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RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ?
by Fox, Adam 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

Okay, I get what you are asking. It's a bit hairy, but I get why you'd want to do it. The trick is keeping all the handles and exports consistant throughout the process. It's worth calling in and filing an RFE. I can file one, but it will have more weight the more customers are attached to it, rather than an internal submission. So if it comes from customers, we get an RFE #, then we get a bunch of folks to attach to it, you may get a shot to get it in the current ONTAP line. No promises, though. I can't speak for Engineering. Of course, the newly released ONTAP GX does this plus more. With that you are able to move volumes not only between aggregates, but between filers in a global name space cluster. Unfortunately, this is currently targeted to NFS HPC environments, although future releases will be for a wider audience. -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dekhayser [mailto:gdekhayser@voyantinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:11 AM To: Carl Howell; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would think that this would be a fairly common need, especially for larger shops with big Netapps. Given the new 6000 series that can have thousands of drives, and that different volumes (especially ones containing luns) have vastly different I/O requirements, you would definitely want to be able to transparently move a flexvol from a smaller aggregate with fewer available iops to a larger aggregate where the flexvol can benefit from more or different RPM spindles. Currently this operation requires unacceptable levels of application downtime for a 24/7 global enterprise. One can extend this feature by having multiple filers communicate with one another, handing off FC/iSCSI target responsibility for migrated luns to another head altogether. This of course would be trickier and require coordination with the host initiator, but hey, isn't that why we have SnapDrive? :) Within a single filer head I would imagine this would not be required. Across heads it would. I smell a great RFE! Glenn (the other one). -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:57 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What Glenn is suggesting below is what I'm looking for. We have quite a few FlexVol's that live in FC aggregates today that I would like to move to SATA aggregates and don't want to have to SnapMirror or copy them to get it done. - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I would have imagined is something like VMWare's Vmotion, which moves an entire system from one physical system to another. Since the aggregates are on the same system, we wouldn't have the issue of snapmirror making a 'new' volume. The process would be as such: 1) Make baseline copy to new volume on new aggregate with separate name (snapshot will suffice); 2) Do a once/min snapshot until lag < 60 sec. 3) Change to a semi-sync snapmirror 4) Change to a sync mirror 5) Once in sync, in the OS 'swap' the handles for the primary and mirror volumes (since they are in effect the same data now) so that data is now served from the mirror. 6) Once swap is complete, break the mirror and (optionally) remove the old volume. I think this is what everyone wants! Heck, combine this with FlexShare and you've got automatic load balancing! Glenn (the other one) -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of George, Andrew Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:00 PM To: John Clear; Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Err...I would have thought syncmirror would have been the way to go in that case I'd rather manually move the connections anyway rather than rely on an automated process And I'd especially not like to see the old copy getting deleted before I've had a chance to make sure the customers are happy -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of John Clear Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 9:06 AM To: Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I'd like to see is a way to move a live volume between aggregates. This would be especially useful on my R200s, since the aggregates and volumes are quite large. Ideally, something like 'vol move volname aggr0 aggr1' would move the volume without any interruptions on the client side. My understanding is that vol copy takes a snapshot, and then transfers that, which means any changes that occur after the copy is started are not transferred. The only way around that is to make sure the volume isn't mounted/accessed, which is often an unacceptable amount of down time. Between snapmirror and vol clone/copy, the code to do this appears to be mostly there already. The only piece missing is doing the live cutover between the old volume and new volume. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Fox, Adam Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Perhaps the toaster community could better define what you want from a proposed vol move command that you aren't getting currently from vol copy? -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:35 AM To: Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would like to see a move operation added to the vol command. Does anyone know if this will ever be available? Thanks, - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:23 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? hey all i need to move a flex vol from one aggregate to another aggregate on the same filer is there a really simple command like vol move <volname> aggr1 aggr2 if not what would be the easiest way to move the flex vol to a new aggregate? vol copy ? thanks gw -- Greg Wilson Senior System Administrator greg.wilson(a)aapt.com.au

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RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ?
by Glenn Dekhayser 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

If you want that control, and I agree that some circumstances and desires warrant that, then the manual process is great if your application is allowed to be brought down. But the process of doing that can sometimes kill an SLA, especially if policies of the business demand that, say, the page file be wiped upon host system shutdown- a process that takes forEVER. Some systems simply don't have the luxury of downtime. I'm sure there are other ways of accomplishing the uptime for the server, but an automated process that is transparent to the application is a great example of a benefit of storage virtualization- accomplishing all tasks at the storage layer of the infrastructure without any work or knowledge of the operation at the host layer. It's a religion thing. ;) If you've ever experienced the rush of Vmotion, which moves virtual servers from one physical device to another with no interruption of service, you know what I mean. I understand that GX alreadyu has a functionality like this....I'd like to see it in regular ONTap! Glenn (the other one) -----Original Message----- From: Callaway, Michael [mailto:Mcallaway@ntta.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:06 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; Carl Howell; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? This is easily accomplished with what Glen wrote. I know I would rather have control of the copy of data, make sure it's over there and then to a one-time reconnect of the lun than just start the process up and have it complete without me knowing. SnapMirror accomplishes this move pretty easily, and while the data is live. When you look at it, whether your data is on 1 head or separate head, it doesn't matter. The point is your data is on separate disks and you are going to have to copy it over one block at a time. Moving your "enterprise" data of a few terabytes is not something you should be taking lightly. Which is why I don't mind the SnapMirror, update, quiesce, break. You are in control of the move and most importantly, you decide when your data is in and your lun can be re-homed. Thanks, Michael Server Administrator NTTA/IT 214-461-2033 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:11 AM To: Carl Howell; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would think that this would be a fairly common need, especially for larger shops with big Netapps. Given the new 6000 series that can have thousands of drives, and that different volumes (especially ones containing luns) have vastly different I/O requirements, you would definitely want to be able to transparently move a flexvol from a smaller aggregate with fewer available iops to a larger aggregate where the flexvol can benefit from more or different RPM spindles. Currently this operation requires unacceptable levels of application downtime for a 24/7 global enterprise. One can extend this feature by having multiple filers communicate with one another, handing off FC/iSCSI target responsibility for migrated luns to another head altogether. This of course would be trickier and require coordination with the host initiator, but hey, isn't that why we have SnapDrive? :) Within a single filer head I would imagine this would not be required. Across heads it would. I smell a great RFE! Glenn (the other one). -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:57 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What Glenn is suggesting below is what I'm looking for. We have quite a few FlexVol's that live in FC aggregates today that I would like to move to SATA aggregates and don't want to have to SnapMirror or copy them to get it done. - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I would have imagined is something like VMWare's Vmotion, which moves an entire system from one physical system to another. Since the aggregates are on the same system, we wouldn't have the issue of snapmirror making a 'new' volume. The process would be as such: 1) Make baseline copy to new volume on new aggregate with separate name (snapshot will suffice); 2) Do a once/min snapshot until lag < 60 sec. 3) Change to a semi-sync snapmirror 4) Change to a sync mirror 5) Once in sync, in the OS 'swap' the handles for the primary and mirror volumes (since they are in effect the same data now) so that data is now served from the mirror. 6) Once swap is complete, break the mirror and (optionally) remove the old volume. I think this is what everyone wants! Heck, combine this with FlexShare and you've got automatic load balancing! Glenn (the other one) -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of George, Andrew Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:00 PM To: John Clear; Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Err...I would have thought syncmirror would have been the way to go in that case I'd rather manually move the connections anyway rather than rely on an automated process And I'd especially not like to see the old copy getting deleted before I've had a chance to make sure the customers are happy -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of John Clear Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 9:06 AM To: Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I'd like to see is a way to move a live volume between aggregates. This would be especially useful on my R200s, since the aggregates and volumes are quite large. Ideally, something like 'vol move volname aggr0 aggr1' would move the volume without any interruptions on the client side. My understanding is that vol copy takes a snapshot, and then transfers that, which means any changes that occur after the copy is started are not transferred. The only way around that is to make sure the volume isn't mounted/accessed, which is often an unacceptable amount of down time. Between snapmirror and vol clone/copy, the code to do this appears to be mostly there already. The only piece missing is doing the live cutover between the old volume and new volume. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Fox, Adam Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Perhaps the toaster community could better define what you want from a proposed vol move command that you aren't getting currently from vol copy? -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:35 AM To: Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would like to see a move operation added to the vol command. Does anyone know if this will ever be available? Thanks, - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:23 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? hey all i need to move a flex vol from one aggregate to another aggregate on the same filer is there a really simple command like vol move <volname> aggr1 aggr2 if not what would be the easiest way to move the flex vol to a new aggregate? vol copy ? thanks gw -- Greg Wilson Senior System Administrator greg.wilson(a)aapt.com.au

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RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ?
by Callaway, Michael 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

This is easily accomplished with what Glen wrote. I know I would rather have control of the copy of data, make sure it's over there and then to a one-time reconnect of the lun than just start the process up and have it complete without me knowing. SnapMirror accomplishes this move pretty easily, and while the data is live. When you look at it, whether your data is on 1 head or separate head, it doesn't matter. The point is your data is on separate disks and you are going to have to copy it over one block at a time. Moving your "enterprise" data of a few terabytes is not something you should be taking lightly. Which is why I don't mind the SnapMirror, update, quiesce, break. You are in control of the move and most importantly, you decide when your data is in and your lun can be re-homed. Thanks, Michael Server Administrator NTTA/IT 214-461-2033 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:11 AM To: Carl Howell; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would think that this would be a fairly common need, especially for larger shops with big Netapps. Given the new 6000 series that can have thousands of drives, and that different volumes (especially ones containing luns) have vastly different I/O requirements, you would definitely want to be able to transparently move a flexvol from a smaller aggregate with fewer available iops to a larger aggregate where the flexvol can benefit from more or different RPM spindles. Currently this operation requires unacceptable levels of application downtime for a 24/7 global enterprise. One can extend this feature by having multiple filers communicate with one another, handing off FC/iSCSI target responsibility for migrated luns to another head altogether. This of course would be trickier and require coordination with the host initiator, but hey, isn't that why we have SnapDrive? :) Within a single filer head I would imagine this would not be required. Across heads it would. I smell a great RFE! Glenn (the other one). -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:57 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What Glenn is suggesting below is what I'm looking for. We have quite a few FlexVol's that live in FC aggregates today that I would like to move to SATA aggregates and don't want to have to SnapMirror or copy them to get it done. - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I would have imagined is something like VMWare's Vmotion, which moves an entire system from one physical system to another. Since the aggregates are on the same system, we wouldn't have the issue of snapmirror making a 'new' volume. The process would be as such: 1) Make baseline copy to new volume on new aggregate with separate name (snapshot will suffice); 2) Do a once/min snapshot until lag < 60 sec. 3) Change to a semi-sync snapmirror 4) Change to a sync mirror 5) Once in sync, in the OS 'swap' the handles for the primary and mirror volumes (since they are in effect the same data now) so that data is now served from the mirror. 6) Once swap is complete, break the mirror and (optionally) remove the old volume. I think this is what everyone wants! Heck, combine this with FlexShare and you've got automatic load balancing! Glenn (the other one) -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of George, Andrew Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:00 PM To: John Clear; Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Err...I would have thought syncmirror would have been the way to go in that case I'd rather manually move the connections anyway rather than rely on an automated process And I'd especially not like to see the old copy getting deleted before I've had a chance to make sure the customers are happy -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of John Clear Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 9:06 AM To: Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I'd like to see is a way to move a live volume between aggregates. This would be especially useful on my R200s, since the aggregates and volumes are quite large. Ideally, something like 'vol move volname aggr0 aggr1' would move the volume without any interruptions on the client side. My understanding is that vol copy takes a snapshot, and then transfers that, which means any changes that occur after the copy is started are not transferred. The only way around that is to make sure the volume isn't mounted/accessed, which is often an unacceptable amount of down time. Between snapmirror and vol clone/copy, the code to do this appears to be mostly there already. The only piece missing is doing the live cutover between the old volume and new volume. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Fox, Adam Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Perhaps the toaster community could better define what you want from a proposed vol move command that you aren't getting currently from vol copy? -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:35 AM To: Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would like to see a move operation added to the vol command. Does anyone know if this will ever be available? Thanks, - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:23 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? hey all i need to move a flex vol from one aggregate to another aggregate on the same filer is there a really simple command like vol move <volname> aggr1 aggr2 if not what would be the easiest way to move the flex vol to a new aggregate? vol copy ? thanks gw -- Greg Wilson Senior System Administrator greg.wilson(a)aapt.com.au

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RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ?
by Glenn Dekhayser 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

I would think that this would be a fairly common need, especially for larger shops with big Netapps. Given the new 6000 series that can have thousands of drives, and that different volumes (especially ones containing luns) have vastly different I/O requirements, you would definitely want to be able to transparently move a flexvol from a smaller aggregate with fewer available iops to a larger aggregate where the flexvol can benefit from more or different RPM spindles. Currently this operation requires unacceptable levels of application downtime for a 24/7 global enterprise. One can extend this feature by having multiple filers communicate with one another, handing off FC/iSCSI target responsibility for migrated luns to another head altogether. This of course would be trickier and require coordination with the host initiator, but hey, isn't that why we have SnapDrive? :) Within a single filer head I would imagine this would not be required. Across heads it would. I smell a great RFE! Glenn (the other one). -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:57 AM To: Glenn Dekhayser; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What Glenn is suggesting below is what I'm looking for. We have quite a few FlexVol's that live in FC aggregates today that I would like to move to SATA aggregates and don't want to have to SnapMirror or copy them to get it done. - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Dekhayser Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I would have imagined is something like VMWare's Vmotion, which moves an entire system from one physical system to another. Since the aggregates are on the same system, we wouldn't have the issue of snapmirror making a 'new' volume. The process would be as such: 1) Make baseline copy to new volume on new aggregate with separate name (snapshot will suffice); 2) Do a once/min snapshot until lag < 60 sec. 3) Change to a semi-sync snapmirror 4) Change to a sync mirror 5) Once in sync, in the OS 'swap' the handles for the primary and mirror volumes (since they are in effect the same data now) so that data is now served from the mirror. 6) Once swap is complete, break the mirror and (optionally) remove the old volume. I think this is what everyone wants! Heck, combine this with FlexShare and you've got automatic load balancing! Glenn (the other one) -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of George, Andrew Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:00 PM To: John Clear; Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Err...I would have thought syncmirror would have been the way to go in that case I'd rather manually move the connections anyway rather than rely on an automated process And I'd especially not like to see the old copy getting deleted before I've had a chance to make sure the customers are happy -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of John Clear Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 9:06 AM To: Fox, Adam; Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? What I'd like to see is a way to move a live volume between aggregates. This would be especially useful on my R200s, since the aggregates and volumes are quite large. Ideally, something like 'vol move volname aggr0 aggr1' would move the volume without any interruptions on the client side. My understanding is that vol copy takes a snapshot, and then transfers that, which means any changes that occur after the copy is started are not transferred. The only way around that is to make sure the volume isn't mounted/accessed, which is often an unacceptable amount of down time. Between snapmirror and vol clone/copy, the code to do this appears to be mostly there already. The only piece missing is doing the live cutover between the old volume and new volume. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Fox, Adam Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: Carl Howell; Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? Perhaps the toaster community could better define what you want from a proposed vol move command that you aren't getting currently from vol copy? -- Adam Fox adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl Howell [mailto:chowell@uwf.edu] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:35 AM To: Greg Wilson Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? I would like to see a move operation added to the vol command. Does anyone know if this will ever be available? Thanks, - Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:23 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: moving a flex vol to a new aggr ? hey all i need to move a flex vol from one aggregate to another aggregate on the same filer is there a really simple command like vol move <volname> aggr1 aggr2 if not what would be the easiest way to move the flex vol to a new aggregate? vol copy ? thanks gw -- Greg Wilson Senior System Administrator greg.wilson(a)aapt.com.au

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Mail System Error - Returned Mail
by Mail Administrator 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

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In Confidence / From Martin
by Martin Kwasha 20 Jun '06

20 Jun '06

Hello dear I am Martin Kwasha from seirra leone but residing in Ivory Coast in Africa. It is my desire to contact you on honesty and sincerity to assist me in transferring the sum of $1,800,000 inherited from my father late Mr. Kwasha. I am motivated in contacting you and hope to gradually build trust, relationship and confidence in you as i get to know you better. So please i want to know if you will be of assistance but first i want to get to know you better. I am willing to offer you 15% of $1.800,000 usd for your effort input after the successful transfer of this money and investment. Indicate your interest towards assisting me by sending your phone # and address so that i can communicate with you at any time. I will be waiting for your response skype: walfredci Thanks Martin.

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