toasters March 2002

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sysstat
by neil lehrer 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

how much load does sysstat cause? does the tool cause load by itself? one second interval ontap 6.1.1r2 thanks -- regards

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RE: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they sti ll w ork?
by Art Hebert 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I thought the license keys were different for every machine. Are you saying I can use the license key for one machine on another. Aren't they tied to serialnumbers? I didn't setup the netapps so not sure if they just used one set for each head in the cluster. My other cluster has a different license (though both heads of that cluster have the same license). Anybody else out there with a cluster, what does is listed when you run license on each head? I figure we will get a 15% improvement in performance if I break the heads. How much performance improvement have people seen when they have moved from 100mb to gig? art -----Original Message----- From: kevin graham [mailto:kgraham@dotnetdotcom.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:44 PM To: Art Hebert Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they still w ork? > I have a Netapp F760 cluster that I may want to seperate for > performance reasons. Keep in mind you won't gain that much. You'll double the write cache, but that's about it. If you need more disk bandwidth, toy w/ 3rd party adapters -- it'd be too easy compared w/ losing clustering. > I noticed they have the same license when I run the license command. This is undoubtedly an error -- cluster partners are issued their own licenses (except cluster license... can't remember there) -- someone probably didn't bother looking for the other sheet of license keys. > Will they both continue to work seperately if I disconnect the cluster > connections? Should work fine, though you probably should open a support case to see if someone can dig up the proper license keys for you to avoid trouble in the future. ..kg..

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RE: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives
by Art Hebert 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Scott -- what are ZCS and BCS? art -----Original Message----- From: ScottUCE(a)aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:48 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: FS: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives Eurologic Systems, based in Dublin, Ireland, is the sole OEM supplier to Network Appliance of the FC7, FC8 and FC9 disk shelves and the companion 9gb, 18gb, 36gb and 72gb FC-AL disk drives and canisters. Following NetApp's introduction of the DS14 shelf, the NetApp-Eurologic relationship has slowly come to an end. However, significant quantities of the FC9 product that was built exclusively for NetApp but on which delivery was never taken - including both 36gb and 72gb drives (ZCS and BCS versions) - are now available for direct sale to NetApp users. The "Eurologic-direct" FC-AL disk drives differ in just two ways from the "NetApp-direct" ones: 1) the color of the drive-release buttons varies slightly from the charcoal colored buttons on the NetApp drive and 2) the color of the disk drive graphic (e.g., 36F, 72F) varies as well. We are offering brand new Eurologic FC9 product at the following prices: FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 36gb FC-AL drives, cabling $7,990.00 FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 72gb FC-AL drives, cabling $12,990.00 We would be happy to negotiate volume discounts. This product carries a THREE-YEAR Eurologic warranty. In addition, Union Computer provides free advance exchange warranty replacement as a supplement to the Eurologic warranty. Network Appliance accepts "genuine" used NetApp gear for hardware service contract; on the other hand, whether they will accept new "Eurologic-direct" product is still in question. However, we believe that the three-year Eurologic warranty with advance exchange will meet the requirements of many Netapp users. We invite you to contact us for additional details. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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FS: Brand New FC9 Shelves with 36gb or 72gb drives
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Eurologic Systems, based in Dublin, Ireland, is the sole OEM supplier to Network Appliance of the FC7, FC8 and FC9 disk shelves and the companion 9gb, 18gb, 36gb and 72gb FC-AL disk drives and canisters. Following NetApp's introduction of the DS14 shelf, the NetApp-Eurologic relationship has slowly come to an end. However, significant quantities of the FC9 product that was built exclusively for NetApp but on which delivery was never taken - including both 36gb and 72gb drives (ZCS and BCS versions) - are now available for direct sale to NetApp users. The "Eurologic-direct" FC-AL disk drives differ in just two ways from the "NetApp-direct" ones: 1) the color of the drive-release buttons varies slightly from the charcoal colored buttons on the NetApp drive and 2) the color of the disk drive graphic (e.g., 36F, 72F) varies as well. We are offering brand new Eurologic FC9 product at the following prices: FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 36gb FC-AL drives, cabling $7,990.00 FC9 shelf, dual power, 7 x 72gb FC-AL drives, cabling $12,990.00 We would be happy to negotiate volume discounts. This product carries a THREE-YEAR Eurologic warranty. In addition, Union Computer provides free advance exchange warranty replacement as a supplement to the Eurologic warranty. Network Appliance accepts "genuine" used NetApp gear for hardware service contract; on the other hand, whether they will accept new "Eurologic-direct" product is still in question. However, we believe that the three-year Eurologic warranty with advance exchange will meet the requirements of many Netapp users. We invite you to contact us for additional details. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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Cluster licenses -- what if I break the cluster will they still w ork?
by Art Hebert 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

I have a Netapp F760 cluster that I may want to seperate for performance reasons. I noticed they have the same license when I run the license command. Will they both continue to work seperately if I disconnect the cluster connections? Thanks art

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NOW inaccessible?
by Mike Sphar 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Is it just me, or has NOW been down most of the day? I've been trying all day to get through and can't. Traceroute just stops at pos1-ext.netapp.com . -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Peregrine Systems, Inc.

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Spam
by Bokkelkamp Ernst 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

I hate to say this, but I am considering leaving the list. I have been silently in the background for a long time because of not having a toy, I mean filer, to play with but it looks that the mailing list is currently being abused. I already have one yahoo account blocked, but it becomes a bit more difficult with the latest message from Jinjiang Shengyi Shoes Co., Ltd. (Manufcturer). Bye Ernie Here is the header: Received: from mail1.siemens.de ([139.23.33.14]) by mchx07da.mchm.siemens.de with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HM60G0V3; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:08:21 +0100 Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [192.35.17.28]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2QH8KW03511 for <Ernst.Bokkelkamp(a)mch10.sbs.de>; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:08:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from smtp2.mathworks.com (smtp.mathworks.com [144.212.95.12]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2QH8JR08728 for <Ernst.Bokkelkamp(a)mch10.sbs.de>; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:08:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.mathworks.com (turing.mathworks.com [144.212.95.101]) by smtp2.mathworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2QGoh104179; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.mathworks.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2QGcvH26842; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mathworks.com (smtp.mathworks.com [144.212.95.12]) by mail.mathworks.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2QGct526827 for <toasters(a)mathworks.com>; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.mathworks.com (scanner.mathworks.com [144.212.95.161]) by smtp2.mathworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2QGcs101506 for <toasters(a)mathworks.com>; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hadrian.uk.mathworks.com (ns.uk.mathworks.com [192.168.72.250]) by smtp.mathworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2QGcqp01491 for <toasters(a)mathworks.com>; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from petter ([218.5.139.13]) by hadrian.uk.mathworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2QGcmP23867 for <toasters(a)mathworks.com>; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:38:49 GMT Message-Id: <200203261638.g2QGcmP23867(a)hadrian.uk.mathworks.com> From: mike (Manufacturer of shoes) <5626512(a)963.net> Reply-To: r-start(a)163.com Subject: Jinjiang Shengyi Shoes Co., Ltd. (Manufcturer) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:20:45 +0800 X-Mailer: 007 Direct Email Easy Sender: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com Precedence: bulk

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Re: SNMP Failure Detection
by Alek O. Komarnitsky (N-CSC) 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

> From owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com Tue Mar 26 12:14 MST 2002 > > Hello Toasters. > > I've been using a script to monitor disk failures on our filers. It's worked pretty well in the past, but I've hit a snag today... > > Normally I can tell if a disk has failed in one of two ways: > 1) Check the SNMP "disks.failed" value, if !eq 1, we've got a problem. > 2) Check via SNMP, the total number of disks, then check the number of active disks, and add to it the number of spare disks. If total disks !eq to active plus spare disk, then there is a failure. Have you thought about using syslog and triggering on an event? As Jay's Email implied, we forward syslog (and auditlog) events to our loghosts and do misc. processing on them using Swatch, with auto-notification of "interesting" events. I don't know if the specific issue you had triggered a syslog event, but you might check your logs to see if something was there. Just a thought, alek

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by Ken Belanger 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

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Re: SNMP Failure Detection
by Rune Bakken 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Don Cunningham <donc(a)bedford.progress.com> writes: > This could be related to a similar situation we saw recently with a > failed disk. We don't use SNMP but the filer email notification facility. > Anyway, a disk failed and was subsequently removed by the OS and didn't > generate an email. So essentially the system didn't know that the disk > ever existed - similar to what you describe. I placed a call to NetApp > and they said this shouldn't ever happen(the OS automatically removing > a failed disk) and that it is a bug that will be fixed in a later release. > Check your system log for a disk failure message followed immediately > by a removal message for the failed disk. If it's there then you've > probably got the bug. Hmm, this seems to happen almost as often as not -- I am fairly aggressive on upgrading, due to obscure problems with SAN Backup, so I suspect that the bug has not yet been corrected. (I was told earlier this year that it was an unpublished bug) When it comes to the script mentioned earlier, I would suggest that the script somehow stores the value from the prevous run, and then report an error if the number decreases - that is at least what I am planning to do Real Soon Now(tm). >>>>>>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken Senior System Administrator Telenor Business Company (Nextra), IP-Services Ph: +47 22 77 03 93

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