toasters July 2001

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Old marketing numbers?
by Davin Milun 30 Jul '01

30 Jul '01

Hi all, Does anyone know exactly which shelf types correspond to the marketing codes X641 and X643C? I believe that they're both SCSI shelves, but I don't know which models. Thanks. Davin. -- Davin Milun Juno Online Services, Inc. milun(a)staff.juno.com http://www.juno.com/

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Used NetApp
by SSlagle＠eCompanies.com 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

What is the best resources for finding used Network Appliance equipment? --- Stuart Slagle Network Engineering, eCompanies Wireless sslagle(a)ecompanies.com 310-586-4215

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RE: pre/post processing in Legato
by Benn, Paul 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Is it safe to assume that you mean when backing up over CIFS or NFS versus the Legato client pack for NetApp? I haven't had my hands on a machine running Legato NetWorker for some time so I'm getting rusty. Anyway, as I recall, you can configure a pre- and post-job script within each client's "properties" dialog. You could use the script to issue rsh commands to the filer to do what you want. Another way to approach this might be to run a script on the NetWorker server. In the script you could issue rsh commands to the filer to take the snapshot then you could issue a manual backup via command line. Don't know if you've seen this but perhaps the script in our white paper might give you some ideas. http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html#Sect5.2 Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Schepers, Jan [mailto:Jan.Schepers@atosorigin.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:18 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: pre/post processing in Legato Hello List, how can I configure pre- and post processing scripts within Legato? Want to create a snapshot, backup it and delete it afterwards. rgrds, ys

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RE: pre/post processing in Legato
by Cormier, Darleen 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Jan, if you have a version of Legato which is NDMP compliant, ( 6.0.1 and up), and define the filer as an NDMP client, then Legato itself, creates a snapshot, backs it up and deletes it. That is part of what the NDMP protocol does, because it uses the native dump utility which is built into DataONTAP. -----Original Message----- From: Schepers, Jan [mailto:Jan.Schepers@atosorigin.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:18 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: pre/post processing in Legato Hello List, how can I configure pre- and post processing scripts within Legato? Want to create a snapshot, backup it and delete it afterwards. rgrds, ys

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pre/post processing in Legato
by Schepers, Jan 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Hello List, how can I configure pre- and post processing scripts within Legato? Want to create a snapshot, backup it and delete it afterwards. rgrds, ys

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RE: Virus Scanning
by Seth Moskowitz 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Michael, I too am running enterprise NT on the same subnet and have a 200MB channel dedicated to the scanner. I have seen pretty good performance but as I said have some issues that Symantec and Netapp are addressing. I believe you may have hit on some of them so I will do my best to help... First I found out few months ago, and will post to toasters about the following hidden option vscan options mandatory_scan off Once you set this option, even if the scanner becomes unavailable or unreachable for some reason the Filer will serve files. I ran into this and it is a compounded issue, for one it doesn't give the file but it also provides an erroneous error saying a network error has occurred which could spawn 100's of unnessary, misdirected help desk calls. As for the 3-4 weeks stop scanning issue, not sure if this is the same as the one I have had but the Filer I run CSS against is for developers. It currently has over 600GB in more then 1.5 million files. As I said I get very good performance but some of these files are huge and the CSS box times out on them. So it seems after a certain amount of time outs and/or when the queue gets filled and this happens the Filer disconnects itself from the CSS box. The CSS box will always continue to try and reconnect because of the following configuration in the symscan.cfg file RPCMaxReconnectAttempts=0 Unfortunately the Filer will not try to reconnect so in order to get this back to a functional state you need to stop and start the services on the NT box running CSS. I have asked Symantec to work with Netapp on this and they are but so far I am told it may have something to do with the limitations of RPC and Netapps implementation. I suggested maybe this could be changed from RPC to NPMP but not sure if that is possible. They said they would look into it. Other suggestions I have, is for you to make a few other changes to your symscan.cfg file. First with your connectivity I would change your ScanThreads entry from the default. With a 200MB dedicated pipe mine is now =50. Another is is if you don't have CSS configured to send you mail you should, mine are as follows SMTPPrimary= Your SMTP Mail Host SMTPSecondary= SMTPCrashAlertEnable=1 SMTPStartUpAlertEnable=1 SMTPShutDownAlertEnable=1 SMTPDefUpdateAlertEnable=1 SMTPLoadExceededAlertEnable=1 SMTPDefErrorAlertEnable=0 SMTPRecipList= E-mail Addresses SMTPDomain= With these settings you will be notified when there is an overflow, a crash, and when the services stop and start. The overflow is the most useful because when I see a large increment of these e-mails I keep an eye out for that disconnection which causes me to have to stop and restart the 2 CSS services. I am trying to automate some of this stuff but just haven't had time yet. Hopefully this made sense and helps. I know this is a long e-mail and apologize to everyone but wanted to try and provide as much detail as possible. Seth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: .nfsXXXX files cause ClearCase remove commands to fail ...
by Stephen Worotynec 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

>It is rather a long-established "trick" (it goes right back to the original >Sun implementations) used by NFS client implementations to simulate the >behaviour of local Unix filing systems when an open file is unlinked. I'm not sure this "simulates" local filesystems, which I don't see creating such files. As I understand it, in Solaris, an NFS client which attempts to remove an open file on a mounted drive with the remove (NFSPROC_REMOVE or NFSPROC3_REMOVE) call will have that call intercepted and replaced with a rename (NFSPROC_RENAME or NFSPROC3_RENAME) call instead. The file is renamed .nfsXXXX (where XXXX is a unique suffix) to ensure that the original process using the file is allowed to complete. When the file is closed, remove is issued on the .nfsXXXX file. Here is an quick example (under an NFS mountpoint): $ sleep 30 > testfile & [1] 2025 $ rm testfile $ ls -al -rw------- 1 skipper staff 0 Dec 14 08:40 .nfs1D45 Solaris actually ships with a script that is called by cron (/usr/lib/fs/nfs/nfsfind) to remove these files that the client missed. Stephen Worotynec sw(a)smoky.ca

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Re: Setting up Quota's with SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0
by Seth Moskowitz 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Michael, I have tried to do something very similar to this although I have not used the SecureShare Quota Manager and do not anything about it. I do however know that although OnTap 6.1 supports SID based quotas it only suports this for users. It does not support SID Group quotas. Does the SecureShare Quota Manager get by this? If so it is something I proably need to look at, If not then I do not believe what you are trying to accomplish can be done. Seth >From: "Grey, Michael" <Michael.Grey(a)ttc.ca> >To: "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Setting up Quota's with SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0 >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:07:04 -0400 > >Has anyone had experience setting up quota's on a filer running 6.1R1 using >SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0 > >What I would like to do is have 3 levels of quota's (High - 500Mb, Medium - >350Mb, Low - 200Mb) established. These would be established via a Global >group in Windows NT. For example: you are a member of the Medium Global >Group you would receive a home directory with a quota of 350Mb. We have >approximately 2000 users and I would rather manage the quota system based >on >being a member of a Global Group if possible. > >The volumes will be configured as CIFS > >Has anyone had experience setting up quota's to work with NT Global Groups >and if so, is there any thing special to look out for? > >Regards, > >Michael Grey >Client / Server Technical Support >Information Technology Services >Toronto Transit Commission >416-393-6791 >michael.grey(a)ttc.ca > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: autosupport full of junk
by Yee, Steven 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

FYI, there is now an entry in the knowledge database (id=ntapcs2966) that reflects the rational and solution to the "html-like junk in autosupport" it should be searchable via NOW in a few days. steve. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harm [mailto:jharm@llnl.gov] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:59 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: autosupport full of junk Thank you Puneet. I am hoping in the future there will be a normal small autosupport with an option to send a "debug" version that has all the extraneous stuff that (I understand) becomes extremely important when studying a subtle problem. I'll turn off anything I can until a problem has to be examined and we all know that happens so infrequently. >From P. A. Hi Jim, For the EMS messages (html stuff) here is a hidden options called 'autosupport.ems.enable'. If you set that to off, then it won't post the verbose EMS logging to the autosupport e-mails. -Puneet At 1:44 PM -0700 7/25/01, Perry, Jay wrote: >Hi Frank, > >The output that is being referred to is actually XML, and it >is generated by the EMS subsystem in OnTap. The reason it >is there is to allow automated triage of problems that might >occur on a filer. Because XML is a structured format, it is >easier to write software to process it instead of the >relatively unstructured output that appears in /etc/messages. > >Jay Perry >jay.perry(a)netapp.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Smith [mailto:fsmith@hoovers.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:39 PM >> To: toasters(a)mathworks.com >> Subject: Re: autosupport full of junk >> >> >> Is html a new feature? None of my autosupport emails are in >> html. I don't >> usually read them anyway, opting instead for a script that >> basically emails >> me the message files daily. >> >> Frank >> >> --On Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:44:35 -0700 Jim Harm >> <jharm(a)llnl.gov> wrote: >> >> > How do others feel about the junk in autosupport? >> > I see the entire messages file reproduced to three times >> the size just to put >> > it into html format; why don't they run the script to put >> it into html when >> > they want it and at NetApp instead of cluttering MY weekly reports? >> > These FC stats can be produced once a year when there is a >> problem to analyze. >> > The disk list doesn't have to be reproduced any more often >> than when there is >> > change to the list. >> > I think it is unnecessarily large and wading thru it to look for a >> > current interesting event would be easier without it. >> > >> > I have been asking for options to autosupport with the >> customer support for >> > over a year. I am occasionally told it will be in a future >> release as yet >> > un-named. >> > Maybe they need to hear more noise. >> > -- >> > }}}===============>> LLNL >> > James E. Harm (Jim); jharm(a)llnl.gov >> > System Administrator Compaq Clusters >> > (925) 422-4018 Page: 423-7705x57152 >> >> >> >> -- >> Frank Smith >> fsmith(a)hoovers.com >> Systems Administrator >> Voice: 512-374-4673 >> Hoover's Online >> Fax: 512-374-4501 >> >> >> -- }}}===============>> LLNL James E. Harm (Jim); jharm(a)llnl.gov System Administrator Compaq Clusters (925) 422-4018 Page: 423-7705x57152

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RE: autosupport full of junk
by Perry, Jay 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

Hi Frank, The output that is being referred to is actually XML, and it is generated by the EMS subsystem in OnTap. The reason it is there is to allow automated triage of problems that might occur on a filer. Because XML is a structured format, it is easier to write software to process it instead of the relatively unstructured output that appears in /etc/messages. Jay Perry jay.perry(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Smith [mailto:fsmith@hoovers.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:39 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: autosupport full of junk > > > Is html a new feature? None of my autosupport emails are in > html. I don't > usually read them anyway, opting instead for a script that > basically emails > me the message files daily. > > Frank > > --On Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:44:35 -0700 Jim Harm > <jharm(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > > > How do others feel about the junk in autosupport? > > I see the entire messages file reproduced to three times > the size just to put > > it into html format; why don't they run the script to put > it into html when > > they want it and at NetApp instead of cluttering MY weekly reports? > > These FC stats can be produced once a year when there is a > problem to analyze. > > The disk list doesn't have to be reproduced any more often > than when there is > > change to the list. > > I think it is unnecessarily large and wading thru it to look for a > > current interesting event would be easier without it. > > > > I have been asking for options to autosupport with the > customer support for > > over a year. I am occasionally told it will be in a future > release as yet > > un-named. > > Maybe they need to hear more noise. > > -- > > }}}===============>> LLNL > > James E. Harm (Jim); jharm(a)llnl.gov > > System Administrator Compaq Clusters > > (925) 422-4018 Page: 423-7705x57152 > > > > -- > Frank Smith > fsmith(a)hoovers.com > Systems Administrator > Voice: 512-374-4673 > Hoover's Online > Fax: 512-374-4501 > > >

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