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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Colm Buckley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

I wrote: > [... stuff about wasting mailing list space ...] > *twice* Argh. Apologies for that. The first attempt resulted in a bounce with "internal addresses only" or something, so I tried again using a different email address. Imagine my surprise, etc. etc. Colm -- Colm Buckley BA BF | NewWorld Commerce, 44 Westland Row, Dublin 2, Ireland colm(a)tuatha.org (personal) | colm.buckley(a)nwcgroup.com (business) +353 87 2469146 | whois cb3765 | http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Home is where you hang your @

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Legato releases NDMP support
by Dan Smith 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

I just saw this under Legato's news releases for today, looks like they are now offically supporting NDMP. Has anyone used this product yet? Wednesday November 15, 8:09 am Eastern Time Press Release Legato Systems Announces NDMP Solution for Fast, Reliable Data Protection of Network Appliance Storage Appliances http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/001115/ca_legato_.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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What is a PVR????
by Leigh David Heyman 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

On the netapp webpage for supported SCSI Tape drives it says that Sony AIT/AIT-2 drives require a PVR (and DoT > 5.3.4R2). What is a PVR? -Leigh

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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Peter Bodifee 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Sometimes people do indeed get carried away by emotion. What *is* relevant about my response posting (look at the subject:) is that Exchange doesn't and won't support NAS. This effects customers of NetApp, but also EMC, Microsoft, MTI, Compaq, IBM, H-P, etc.... That I happen to work for EMC was NOT relevant with respect to my initial response. But, hey, some people judge one's posting on where the poster gets it's salary and not what experience, knowledge the poster can contribute. So you have to work for a non-vendor or hide your personality with some fake email address and ip address in order to be taken seriously. Interesting, never looked at it that way. So much for this list being in spirit with the good ol' net. Peter --- Pete Ehlke <pde(a)ehlke.net> wrote: > Peter Bodifee (bodif36772(a)yahoo.com) said, on > [001114 20:13]: > > > > BTW, you are also an "expert" in hiding your > employer's identity (AT&T > > Canada) by using some obscure > > domain (risc.org), so what are you busting me for? > For giving my personal > > opinion to serve > > the IT user community without showing who pays my > salary? Have a life.... > > > The fact that I admin for shockwave.com, and used to > admin for Sony, is > not relevant to my postings here, and is not > relevant to my > occasional tweaking of netapp themselves. Nor is > Brian's employment at > AT&T. > > Your employment at EMC is a different matter > entirely, and falls > completely within the pattern we've seen from EMC > employees on this > list. If you can't tell the difference, then you've > got fewer ethics > than you do clues. > > *plonk* > > -Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Colm Buckley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Folks - I'm sure most of us would really appreciate it if the personalisation and bizarre "I know who you *really* are!" comments were kept off the toasters list. Most of us are experienced systems administrators and integrators, and you don't last long in those positions without being able to detect when someone is being genuine and when they're talking shite. Accusing someone of being a secret agent for EMC, or whatever other company, is completely off the wall. This is a discussion list not an advocacy list, and the only significant blip on the signal-to- noise ratio are these bizarre trips into ad-hominem land. Take it to personal mail, FFS. Colm (woo! accidental bricktext!) -- Colm Buckley BA BF | NewWorld Commerce, 44 Westland Row, Dublin 2, Ireland colm(a)tuatha.org (personal) | colm.buckley(a)nwcgroup.com (business) +353 87 2469146 | whois cb3765 | http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ There are many intelligent species in the universe, all owned by cats.

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Re: Exchange 2k (long)
by Colm Buckley 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Folks - I'm sure most of us would really appreciate it if the personalisation and bizarre "I know who you *really* are!" comments were kept off the toasters list. Most of us are experienced systems administrators and integrators, and you don't last long in those positions without being able to detect when someone is being genuine and when they're talking shite. Accusing someone of being a secret agent for EMC, or whatever other company, is completely off the wall. This is a discussion list not an advocacy list, and the only significant blip on the signal-to- noise ratio are these bizarre trips into ad-hominem land. Take it to personal mail, FFS. Colm (woo! accidental bricktext!) -- Colm Buckley BA BF | NewWorld Commerce, 44 Westland Row, Dublin 2, Ireland colm(a)tuatha.org (personal) | colm.buckley(a)nwcgroup.com (business) +353 87 2469146 | whois cb3765 | http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ If there's nothing wrong with me, here's something wrong with the universe.

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RE: Exchange 2k (long)
by Bercovici, Val 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Hi Supak et al, Please let me clarify your support statement below. Microsoft does not currently support NAS for Exchange Server 5.5 or 2000. Network Appliance fully supports Exchange 5.5 on filers via our SnapManager 1.x for Exchange software. We have engaged IBM Global Services' highly-regarded Enterprise Services for Microsoft Technologies Practice for our escalation path regarding Exchange-specific issues that we cannot resolve. Please refer to the two press releases on this topic for more details: http://www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000207.html http://www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000207a.html Network Appliance is actively working with the Microsoft Exchange group in order to comply with their requirements for certification of our unique leading-edge technology in an Exchange 2000 environment. In the meantime, NetApp has had tremendous success with our SnapManager 1.x product line for Microsoft Exchange 5.5. To date, over 100 SnapManager customers in the ASP, Financial, Networking Equip. Providers, Telecom, State & Federal Govt, E-Commerce and Healthcare sectors (among others) have enjoyed the benefits of the industry's ONLY online Snapshot Backup and Recovery technology for Microsoft Exchange Server. A couple of SnapManager for Exchange case-studies are available online: ASP - UNITED MESSAGING http://www.netapp.com/case_studies/ftp/united_mess.pdf FINANCIAL - BANK OF OKLAHOMA http://www.netapp.com/case_studies/ftp/bok.pdf Finally, some excellent technical whitepapers discussing the architecture and deployment of Exchange 5.5 on NetApp filers with SnapManager (demonstrating excellent performance at high users loads such 599ms response time for 9600 users) are available at: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3067.html http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3054.html http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3074.html Should you have any further questions, I would be happy to talk with anyone on this list regarding our Microsoft Exchange-related offerings at any time. Thanks, -Val. Manager, Collaborative Strategy Network Appliance Inc. WHO STORES MORE THAN HALF THE WORLD'S E-MAILBOXES? FIND OUT AT: www.netapp.com 613.724.8674 - Phone 847.589.6510 - Fax 800.489.6924 - Pager E-Mail: valb(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Supak backup e-mail account [mailto:supaklailert@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:31 PM To: Martin Hannigan; rdobbins(a)netmore.net Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Exchange 2k NetApp filer is fully supported for use with MS Exchange. I don't see how this could lead to a problem more than any direct-attaced storage. NetApp choking on lots of small files? I don't think so. WAFL handles small files far better than most file systems notably UFS. Waste of space? Maybe. NetApp uses 4K blocks so if you have lots of really small files <4K then you'll waste quite a bit of space. Supak --- Martin Hannigan <hannigan(a)world.std.com> wrote: > > > > > > For both performance and supportability reasons, > it is extremely inadvisable > > to put Exchange mailboxes/private stores/public > stores on anything other > > than a filesystem which is directly-connected to > the NT server in question. > > > > People do all sorts of odd things with NetApps > just because they can - and > > don't get me wrong, I love my F740 - but this is > just plain crazy. For your > > own peace of mind, don't do it. > > > So the netapp still chokes on lots of active small > files i.e. like > usenet news, etc? We were thinking about turning > ours into a hardcore > news spool..but I remember a few years ago there was > some issue with the > millions of < 64KB file sizes.. > > -M > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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RE: Exchange 2k (long)
by Supak backup e-mail account 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Peter, The fact about your employment is relevant for the reader to evaluate your comment. I give more credibility to comment from "neutral" party. Comment from competitor gets lowest credibility. If you work for a company which is not a NetApp competitor, I wouldn't care. Since you work for EMC, you should disclose that fact somewhere in the message. Supak --- Peter Bodifee <bodif36772(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Brian, > > Congratulations. You passed IP network tracing 101. > > Has it crossed your mind that people who receive > 100+ messages/day > have multiple accounts? To separate message flow > between public and company > private? Probably not. > So it would not make any sense to you either why I > posted my comment on > "MSFT Exchange not supporting NAS" using my yahoo > account. > > BTW, you are also an "expert" in hiding your > employer's identity (AT&T > Canada) by using some obscure > domain (risc.org), so what are you busting me for? > For giving my personal > opinion to serve > the IT user community without showing who pays my > salary? Have a life.... > > Peter > -----Original Message----- > X-Apparently-To: bodif36772(a)yahoo.com via > web4505.mail.yahoo.com > X-Track: 1: 40 > Received: from tor-smtp2.netcom.ca (207.181.101.101) > by mta411.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2000 > 20:00:40 -0800 (PST) > Received: from tor-dev1 (tor-dev1.nbc.netcom.ca > [207.181.89.12]) > by tor-smtp2.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with ESMTP > id XAA04411; > Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:00:10 -0500 (EST) > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:00:09 -0500 (EST) > From: Brian Tao <taob(a)risc.org> > X-Sender: taob(a)tor-dev1.nbc.attcanada.ca > To: Peter Bodifee <bodif36772(a)yahoo.com> > cc: "'Bercovici, Val'" > <Valentin.Bercovici(a)netapp.com>, > toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: Exchange 2k (long) > In-Reply-To: > <000a01c04993$1d0e7200$acab9fa8@bodifeexxxxL> > Message-ID: > <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011102258290.10980-100000(a)tor-dev1.nbc.attcanada.ca> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Peter Bodifee wrote: > > > > Received: from unknown (HELO bodifeexxxxL) > (168.159.171.172) > > by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov > 2000 14:50:15 -0000 > [...] > > Busted. :) > > % whois -h whois.arin.net 168.159.171.172 > EMC Corporation (NET-EMC-B1) > 171 South Street > Hopkinton, MA 01748-9103 > > Netname: EMC-B1 > Netnumber: 168.159.0.0 > > Coordinator: > Chambers, Paul A (PAC15-ARIN) pac(a)EMC.COM > (508)435-1000 X1276 (FAX) (508)435-2649 > > Domain System inverse mapping provided by: > > GW.EMC.COM 168.159.1.2 > NS0.EMC.COM 168.159.3.1 > > Record last updated on 24-Apr-1997. > Database last updated on 10-Nov-2000 18:12:36 > EDT. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

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Anyone seen this? .snapshot missing from readdir() even for mount point
by Chris Thompson 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

I was prompted by trawling over Bugs Online to open a call with NetApp about the following problem, which I've known about for a year or more. The call isn't making much progress (we won't go into whose fault that is ...) and as the whole thing was really a request for information ("did you know about this infelicity? is it going to be fixed some year?") I can't conscientiously exert much pressure. But I can waste your time asking whether you've observed the same effect, can't I? :) As I am sure you are all aware, although ".snapshot" can be looked up in any directory, it is only visible to readdir() in NFS mount points (5.3 System Administrator's Guide, p.406: "Actually, the .snapshot in the mount point is "real" to make the pwd command work ..."). The problem is that sometimes ".snapshot" isn't visible to readdir() *even* in mount point directories. This seems to happen only in directories with more than one 4K block (it's notable that "ls -f" shows .snapshot coming after the first block's worth in such directories, if it shows up at all), and rather rarely even then (2 out of over 150 user home directories of >4K that I looked at today), but as long as the directory isn't tinkered with the state remains the same. I've observed this with several OnTap 5.2.x & 5.3.x releases, and several different Solaris releases as clients. It *could* be an NFS client implementation problem, I suppose, but I don't think I believe that. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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CIFS connections
by Todd C. Merrill 14 Nov '00

14 Nov '00

Upgraded to an F840 running 5.3.7 this weekend. messages file keeps showing oplock break timeouts, and a very tenuous connection to *any* domain controller it tries to connect to. Clients seem fine; DC's seem fine; no apparent problems elsewhere. Thoughts? Tue Nov 14 13:44:49 EST [filer: GbE-e4]: Connection with DC \\DC1 terminated Tue Nov 14 13:44:51 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT57NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\bin\clusterx.pm Tue Nov 14 13:45:26 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT57NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\environ\R12 Tue Nov 14 13:45:26 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT57NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\bin\batlib.pm Tue Nov 14 13:45:34 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT57NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\nt\bin\batnt_start.pl Tue Nov 14 13:46:01 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT57NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\bin\batswim.pm Tue Nov 14 13:46:02 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT57NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\bin\BatVars2.pm Tue Nov 14 13:47:19 EST [filer: CIFSAuthen]: Connection with DC \\DC2 established Tue Nov 14 13:51:04 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT59NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\nt\bin\OkeyDokey.pl Tue Nov 14 13:51:40 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT59NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\bin\pc2unix.pm Tue Nov 14 13:51:50 EST [filer: CIFSAdmin]: oplock break timed out to station BAT59NT for file \\filer\HUB\bat\share\environ\R12student Until next time... The Mathworks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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