In message Chameleon.980326065754.dpower@blue.insync.net, David Power writ es:
Have you priced 630 memory lately? I was quoted $12,000 for a 32 meg nvram, 256 meg system ram upgrade. Thats not dropping to me.
We just paid NetApp $4000 to up the NVRAM on our F330 from 2MB to 8MB. That's over $650 for each 1MB SIMM! When I asked our Sales Rep about the cost, I was quoted the "We do in house testing" line. Anyway, two of the SIMMs we were sent were bad... Very disappointing.
I think it'd work out best for everyone if they just published a list of "approved" vendors for memory and disk. The customers would get a better price, and NetApp would look alot nicer.
jason
--- On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:30:52 +1100 Mike Bosch mbosch@netapp.com wrote:
Marc,
As I recall, Cisco was requiring 64MB and recommending 128MB on most ISP 7500s over a year ago. Whatever......the point is that memory
requirements
will continue to grow over time.
The good news is that as more features have required more memory, the
price
of memory has dropped at an even faster rate.
MJB
At 22:21 25/03/98 -0500, Marc Nicholas wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Mike Bosch wrote:
A Filer is generically much more like a router than a general purpose
Unix
or NT box, but we still require much less space than Cisco's IOS, for
example.
Excuse me? You require less memory than IOS? Did I suddently reappear
in
another universe where IOS requires 128mb to run? :-p
You can even run a couple of full BGP views in a Cisco with 64mb -- and that's to compensate for Cisco's braindead table archietecture.
-marc
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We bought RAM and NVRAM a few months ago for our F220. Note these part numbers below are probably only good for the F220. Research before upgrading on your own!
For comparision sake:
NVRAM Dallas Semiconductor - 214-450-0429 Part #90-2229T-070 $84 per meg as of 12/9/97
RAM Kingston RAM via Spectrum Trading - 408-655-4000 Part #KTM8X36L-60G (8Mx36, 60ns, gold) $172 per 32 meg as of 12/8/97
Each of these vendors assured us the products were well tested before being sent to us and we have had zero problems as a result of using them.:
Thu Mar 26 08:00:19 PST [statd]: 8:00am up 102 days, 6:21 2777057436 NFS ops
As an aside, you gotta love the uptimes these NetApps can produce! Anyone have more than a year of uptime? Show us your amazing stats!
For normal RAM, think very seriously before buying anything but Kingston. Normal RAM varies widely in quality.
Chris
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Jason D. Kelleher wrote:
We just paid NetApp $4000 to up the NVRAM on our F330 from 2MB to8MB. That's over $650 for each 1MB SIMM! When I asked our Sales Rep about the cost, I was quoted the "We do in house testing" line. Anyway, two of the SIMMs we were sent were bad... Very disappointing.
I think it'd work out best for everyone if they just published alist of "approved" vendors for memory and disk. The customers would get a better price, and NetApp would look alot nicer.
jason
On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 08:36:33AM -0800, Chris Caputo wrote:
We bought RAM and NVRAM a few months ago for our F220. Note these part numbers below are probably only good for the F220. Research before upgrading on your own! For comparision sake: NVRAM Dallas Semiconductor - 214-450-0429 Part #90-2229T-070 $84 per meg as of 12/9/97
We got the same part from the same place, and have been using them in our 220s for just about a year now, with no problems whatsoever.
Bill
For normal RAM, think very seriously before buying anything but Kingston. Normal RAM varies widely in quality.
I second this. We only use Kingston in our filers as well.
Bill
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Jason D. Kelleher wrote:
We just paid NetApp $4000 to up the NVRAM on our F330 from 2MB to8MB. That's over $650 for each 1MB SIMM! When I asked our Sales Rep about the cost, I was quoted the "We do in house testing" line. Anyway, two of the SIMMs we were sent were bad... Very disappointing. I think it'd work out best for everyone if they just published a list of "approved" vendors for memory and disk. The customers would get a better price, and NetApp would look alot nicer. jason
Any idea on a part number for kingston for a 630. They currently only list a 540. Im not sure if there is a difference other than the fancy case and the processor speed.
On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 08:36:33AM -0800, Chris Caputo wrote:
We bought RAM and NVRAM a few months ago for our F220. Note these part numbers below are probably only good for the F220. Research before upgrading on your own! For comparision sake: NVRAM Dallas Semiconductor - 214-450-0429 Part #90-2229T-070 $84 per meg as of 12/9/97
We got the same part from the same place, and have been using them in our 220s for just about a year now, with no problems whatsoever.
Bill
For normal RAM, think very seriously before buying anything but Kingston. Normal RAM varies widely in quality.
I second this. We only use Kingston in our filers as well.
Bill
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Jason D. Kelleher wrote:
We just paid NetApp $4000 to up the NVRAM on our F330 from 2MB to8MB. That's over $650 for each 1MB SIMM! When I asked our Sales Rep about the cost, I was quoted the "We do in house testing" line. Anyway, two of the SIMMs we were sent were bad... Very disappointing. I think it'd work out best for everyone if they just published a list of "approved" vendors for memory and disk. The customers would get a better price, and NetApp would look alot nicer. jason
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David Power V-P Operations Insync Internet Services
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Chris Caputo wrote:
|We bought RAM and NVRAM a few months ago for our F220. Note these part |numbers below are probably only good for the F220. Research before |upgrading on your own! | |For comparision sake: | |NVRAM |Dallas Semiconductor - 214-450-0429 |Part #90-2229T-070 |$84 per meg as of 12/9/97 | |RAM |Kingston RAM via Spectrum Trading - 408-655-4000 |Part #KTM8X36L-60G (8Mx36, 60ns, gold) |$172 per 32 meg as of 12/8/97 | |Each of these vendors assured us the products were well tested before |being sent to us and we have had zero problems as a result of using them.: | |Thu Mar 26 08:00:19 PST [statd]: 8:00am up 102 days, 6:21 2777057436 NFS ops | |As an aside, you gotta love the uptimes these NetApps can produce! Anyone |have more than a year of uptime? Show us your amazing stats! | |For normal RAM, think very seriously before buying anything but Kingston. |Normal RAM varies widely in quality.
We bought the same Samsung P/N for DRAM in our netapps. Works flawlessly!
Jonah
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On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 08:36:33AM -0800, Chris Caputo wrote:
We bought RAM and NVRAM a few months ago for our F220. Note these part numbers below are probably only good for the F220. Research before upgrading on your own!
Does anybody know what the differemce between an F220 and an F210 is? Will these part no.s work on an F210?
NVRAM Dallas Semiconductor - 214-450-0429 Part #90-2229T-070 $84 per meg as of 12/9/97
RAM Kingston RAM via Spectrum Trading - 408-655-4000 Part #KTM8X36L-60G (8Mx36, 60ns, gold) $172 per 32 meg as of 12/8/97
Chris
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Jason D. Kelleher wrote:
|In message Chameleon.980326065754.dpower@blue.insync.net, David Power writ |es: |>Have you priced 630 memory lately? I was quoted $12,000 for a 32 meg |>nvram, 256 meg system ram upgrade. Thats not dropping to me. | | We just paid NetApp $4000 to up the NVRAM on our F330 from 2MB to |8MB. That's over $650 for each 1MB SIMM! When I asked our Sales Rep |about the cost, I was quoted the "We do in house testing" line. Anyway, |two of the SIMMs we were sent were bad... Very disappointing.
Those 2 Dallas Semiconductor 1 NVRAM simms are $84 quantity 1.
| I think it'd work out best for everyone if they just published a |list of "approved" vendors for memory and disk. The customers would |get a better price, and NetApp would look alot nicer.
Amen, and I would like some other choices for disk shelfs. DEC Storageworks are dated and cumbersome.
Jonah
| jason | | |>--- On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:30:52 +1100 Mike Bosch mbosch@netapp.com |>wrote: |> |>>Marc, |>> |>>As I recall, Cisco was requiring 64MB and recommending 128MB on most ISP |>>7500s over a year ago. Whatever......the point is that memory |>requirements |>>will continue to grow over time. |>> |>>The good news is that as more features have required more memory, the |>price |>>of memory has dropped at an even faster rate. |>> |>>MJB |>> |>> |>>At 22:21 25/03/98 -0500, Marc Nicholas wrote: |>>>On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Mike Bosch wrote: |>>> |>>>> A Filer is generically much more like a router than a general purpose |>Unix |>>>> or NT box, but we still require much less space than Cisco's IOS, for |>>example. |>>> |>>>Excuse me? You require less memory than IOS? Did I suddently reappear |>in |>>>another universe where IOS requires 128mb to run? :-p |>>> |>>>You can even run a couple of full BGP views in a Cisco with 64mb -- and |>>>that's to compensate for Cisco's braindead table archietecture. |>>> |>>> |>>>-marc |>>> |>>>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |>>>Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" |>>>vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net |>>> |>>> |>>> |>> |>> |>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |>-- |>>------ |>> |>>Mike Bosch |>>Regional Manager |>>Network Appliance Australia - New Zealand |>> |>>Phone: 61-41-728-7345 |>>Email: mbosch@netapp.com |>> |>> |>>********************************************************************* |>> FAST SIMPLE RELIABLE MULTI-PROTOCOL |>>********************************************************************* |>> |>> |>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |>-- |>>------ |>> |>> |> |>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- |> |> |>David Power |>V-P Operations |>Insync Internet Services Inc. |> |> |
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+--- In a previous state of mind, Jonah Yokubaitis barron@staff.texas.net wrote: | | Amen, and I would like some other choices for disk shelfs. DEC | Storageworks are dated and cumbersome.
Now that is something that will never happen: NetApp letting you provide your own disk-shelf...
The new shelves (with EMU support) are nice. Much better than the DEC StorageWorks stuff. But, the DEC stuff works.
Alexei
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Alexei Rodriguez wrote:
The new shelves (with EMU support) are nice. Much better than the DEC StorageWorks stuff. But, the DEC stuff works.
I received a notice for voluntary recall on those Storageshelf-2 EMU units from Netapp... haven't had any problems with ours yet, thankfully.
I received a notice for voluntary recall on those Storageshelf-2EMU units from Netapp... haven't had any problems with ours yet, thankfully.
Our EMU keeps complaining about a fault on the SS-2, which I'm told is because it's a bit too fussy... I hadn't heard about any recall, what's the story?
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