This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
________________________________ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering
if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
_______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
________________________________ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson <rvandolson@esri.commailto:rvandolson@esri.com> wrote: This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.netmailto:Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
_______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.netmailto:Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric. Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members? Thanks, Ray
+1
I'm on an Isilon focused mailing list to on google groups. It's fine and similar in tone to this one. A more general focused list might be great.
Typed with my thumbs!
On Apr 3, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric. Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members? Thanks, Ray
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric. Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members? Thanks, Ray
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric. Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members? Thanks, Ray
As is usually the case, things I think will be quick and easy turn out to be long and hard. Please bear with me...
There were a number of concerns raised about running a mailing list under the SNIA flag; lack of moderation, loss of industry neutrality if one section of the community predominates, participation by vendors (specifically non-SNIA members) making it more a bearpit/marketing/PR site, openness to any and all posters without checks etc.
All good points, and I'll see if I can square the circle on some of them.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: 09 April 2013 00:16 To: Ray Van Dolson Cc: 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: RE: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric. Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members? Thanks, Ray
_______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Thanks for sticking with it, Alex. Whatever the SAGE/LISA model, it seems to work well (although presumably there are paid resources or moderators who have as part of their job function to keep an eye on the lists...).
Ray
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:58:10AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
As is usually the case, things I think will be quick and easy turn out to be long and hard. Please bear with me...
There were a number of concerns raised about running a mailing list under the SNIA flag; lack of moderation, loss of industry neutrality if one section of the community predominates, participation by vendors (specifically non-SNIA members) making it more a bearpit/marketing/PR site, openness to any and all posters without checks etc.
All good points, and I'll see if I can square the circle on some of them.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: 09 April 2013 00:16 To: Ray Van Dolson Cc: 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: RE: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric. Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members? Thanks, Ray
I've mailed Tom Yates, the person behind teaparty.net and the hoster of this list, and he is happy to host the list on our behalf.
Ray's proposal sounds fair for the list discussion, any one disagree with that as a remit, calling it 'General Purpose Storage Discussion' or with the following people acting as moderators to start (since they have been publicly stating support for it)?
"McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com John Constable jc18@sanger.ac.uk
I'm on the list simply to kick off the comms with Tom, but I've managed Mailman lists before and 'discussing general storage in a vendor agnostic way' is kind of one of the remits of my role at Sanger.. :-)
John
On 7 May 2013, at 11:58, "McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com wrote:
As is usually the case, things I think will be quick and easy turn out to be long and hard. Please bear with me...
There were a number of concerns raised about running a mailing list under the SNIA flag; lack of moderation, loss of industry neutrality if one section of the community predominates, participation by vendors (specifically non-SNIA members) making it more a bearpit/marketing/PR site, openness to any and all posters without checks etc.
All good points, and I'll see if I can square the circle on some of them.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: 09 April 2013 00:16 To: Ray Van Dolson Cc: 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: RE: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- John Constable, Storage Team x6924 (+44 1223 496924) Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, Hinxton, Cambridge, UK
Am fine with this if there's no additional movement on the SNIA route.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 09:00:03AM +0100, John Constable wrote:
I've mailed Tom Yates, the person behind teaparty.net and the hoster of this list, and he is happy to host the list on our behalf.
Ray's proposal sounds fair for the list discussion, any one disagree with that as a remit, calling it 'General Purpose Storage Discussion' or with the following people acting as moderators to start (since they have been publicly stating support for it)?
"McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com John Constable jc18@sanger.ac.uk
I'm on the list simply to kick off the comms with Tom, but I've managed Mailman lists before and 'discussing general storage in a vendor agnostic way' is kind of one of the remits of my role at Sanger.. :-)
John
On 7 May 2013, at 11:58, "McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com wrote:
As is usually the case, things I think will be quick and easy turn out to be long and hard. Please bear with me...
There were a number of concerns raised about running a mailing list under the SNIA flag; lack of moderation, loss of industry neutrality if one section of the community predominates, participation by vendors (specifically non-SNIA members) making it more a bearpit/marketing/PR site, openness to any and all posters without checks etc.
All good points, and I'll see if I can square the circle on some of them.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: 09 April 2013 00:16 To: Ray Van Dolson Cc: 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: RE: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- John Constable, Storage Team x6924 (+44 1223 496924) Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, Hinxton, Cambridge, UK
-- The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute is operated by Genome Research Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE.
I've mailed Tom - I shall announce when the list is available.
John
On 18 May 2013, at 01:23, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
Am fine with this if there's no additional movement on the SNIA route.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 09:00:03AM +0100, John Constable wrote:
I've mailed Tom Yates, the person behind teaparty.net and the hoster of this list, and he is happy to host the list on our behalf.
Ray's proposal sounds fair for the list discussion, any one disagree with that as a remit, calling it 'General Purpose Storage Discussion' or with the following people acting as moderators to start (since they have been publicly stating support for it)?
"McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com John Constable jc18@sanger.ac.uk
I'm on the list simply to kick off the comms with Tom, but I've managed Mailman lists before and 'discussing general storage in a vendor agnostic way' is kind of one of the remits of my role at Sanger.. :-)
John
On 7 May 2013, at 11:58, "McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com wrote:
As is usually the case, things I think will be quick and easy turn out to be long and hard. Please bear with me...
There were a number of concerns raised about running a mailing list under the SNIA flag; lack of moderation, loss of industry neutrality if one section of the community predominates, participation by vendors (specifically non-SNIA members) making it more a bearpit/marketing/PR site, openness to any and all posters without checks etc.
All good points, and I'll see if I can square the circle on some of them.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: 09 April 2013 00:16 To: Ray Van Dolson Cc: 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: RE: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
Sent on my bb
----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
Sent on my bb
From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ━━━━━━━━━━━ From: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com To: Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
-- John Constable, Storage Team x6924 (+44 1223 496924) Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, Hinxton, Cambridge, UK
-- The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute is operated by Genome Research Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE.
-- John Constable, Storage Team x6924 (+44 1223 496924) Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, Hinxton, Cambridge, UK
Taken me entirely too long, but the 'General Purpose Storage Discussion' mailing list is now live.
Its a mailman list, so subscribe as you did for this list below;
http://lory.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/storage
I'm going to post a couple of discussion starters shortly after this announce mail, hope it will be of interest to some!
John
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 09:00:03AM +0100, John Constable wrote:
I've mailed Tom Yates, the person behind teaparty.net and the hoster of this list, and he is happy to host the list on our behalf.
Ray's proposal sounds fair for the list discussion, any one disagree with that as a remit, calling it 'General Purpose Storage Discussion' or with the following people acting as moderators to start (since they have been publicly stating support for it)?
"McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com John Constable jc18@sanger.ac.uk
I'm on the list simply to kick off the comms with Tom, but I've managed Mailman lists before and 'discussing general storage in a vendor agnostic way' is kind of one of the remits of my role at Sanger.. :-)
John
On 7 May 2013, at 11:58, "McDonald, Alex" Alex.Mcdonald@netapp.com wrote:
As is usually the case, things I think will be quick and easy turn out to be long and hard. Please bear with me...
There were a number of concerns raised about running a mailing list under the SNIA flag; lack of moderation, loss of industry neutrality if one section of the community predominates, participation by vendors (specifically non-SNIA members) making it more a bearpit/marketing/PR site, openness to any and all posters without checks etc.
All good points, and I'll see if I can square the circle on some of them.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of McDonald, Alex Sent: 09 April 2013 00:16 To: Ray Van Dolson Cc: 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: RE: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
In discussion with SNIA this week. I'll get back to you all ASAP.
Alex McDonald Standards & Industry Associations Group CTO Office NetApp +44 7795 046686 Mobile Phone alexmc@netapp.com netapp.com twitter: @alextangent
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: 03 April 2013 07:25 To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com'; 'levins0@gmail.com'; 'toasters@teaparty.net' Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
Draft from me --
What: A mailing list for general purpose discussion of storage-related topics (vendors, hardware, fabrics, processes/best practices, etc.). Geared to engender high quality discussion and collaboration between Storage Operators and Administrators.
Why: To date, a number of high quality lists exist for discussing vendor specific storage platforms, but there is no single forum for discussion surrounding general storage topics in a vendor-agnostic way, nor for discussing underlying infrastructure and surrounding topics. As a result, such discussion either doesn't occur, or occurs in locations such as blogs or commercial-style forums such as LinkedIn where conversations are tainted to some degree by significant non-technical input.
How: (Assuming you know better on the "how") SNIA would sponsor the creation, administration and governance of a mailing list filling the void described above. This could either be something similar to the NetApp Toastesr or USENIX LISA lists (Mailman) or a Google Groups style distribution list.
Thanks, Ray
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:54PM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
Ok, if I get a seconder to your proposal, I'll see what I can do. It's a good week for it as most of the management of SNIA are at SNW in Orlando.
We'd need a charter (or at least a few choice sentences) on the what, why and how. Just post here with (or ping me directly) on your thoughts and I'll draft something for you and SNIA.
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----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Van Dolson [mailto:rvandolson@esri.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 06:59 AM To: McDonald, Alex Cc: 'fredgrieco@yahoo.com' fredgrieco@yahoo.com; 'levins0@gmail.com' levins0@gmail.com; 'toasters@teaparty.net' toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
There's absolutely interest from me.
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:44:27AM +0000, McDonald, Alex wrote:
I had high hopes for that group, but apart from a very few I trust and know either professionally or personally, I would be careful. The quality of the advice is very sales and marketing oriented, and the number of storage admins with any qualifications or experience is low.
And to echo Fred's point, the s/n ratio is a very small number. Quality it ain't.
Is there a broad interest from this group in something like a discussion list? There's a SNIA Cloud Storage Google Groups list that operates as an open list; take a look there.
Please let me know if something like that would work. I chair a couple of SNIA groups, and I'm sure I can get this to happen if there's interest.
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From: Fred Grieco [mailto:fredgrieco@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 06:41 AM To: Adam Levin levins0@gmail.com; Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: [OT] General Purpose Storage Discussion
The storage groups on Linked In get pretty good discussions from time-to-time. There's a lot of noise and headhunters, though.
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I'm not sure about SNIA, but I know there have been plenty of discussions on the tech lists for SAGE and LOPSA related to storage, so that's certainly a good place to start.
-Adam
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com wrote:
This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to its members?
Thanks, Ray
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Ray> This list is great -- but obviously is NetApp centric. I'm Ray> wondering if any of you can recommend a mailing list or forum, Ray> with a similar level of participation and expertise, that's a bit Ray> more "general purpose" but still storage-centric.
Ray> Something similar to the SAGE/LISA mailing lists for Systems Ray> Administration. Perhaps SNIA offers such discussion groups to Ray> its members?
Exactly, take it to the SAGE/LOPSA mailing lists where you'll find SysAdmins with lots of experience in all sorts of areas. Good signal to noise ratio too.
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