Hi,
Yes, UTA2 do not support direct connection of DS14 because they do not support FC-AL. They are supported in FMC though for connection to backend switches and that is what we have here.
It is clear that setting HBA to 8G won’t make DS14 faster. Still customer has also ATTO 6500N and any future storage extension will go over ATTO as well so it is still beneficial to use full available speed.
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From: gene [mailto:genec220@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:51 PM To: 'Tim McCarthy'; Borzenkov, Andrei Subject: RE: Frame discards on Brocade with 7-Mode FMC using 8G HBA and DS14
Just making sure you got this since my post bounced from toasters…
<assuming you were talking about DS14 connections and not FC SAN targets> The DS14 shelves are supported on the UTA2 ports. You would need FC HBAs such as the X1132, or X2054.
“The FAS80x0 onboard UTA2 ports and X1143A UTA2 ports are not supported for connectivity to DS14 shelves. To connect to DS14 shelves, use the X1132A-R6 or X2054A-R6 Fibre Channel adapters.”
Also, unless your complete path is 8Gb, you won’t get the 8Gb. The 8Gb links would auto-negotiate down to 4Gb. Shouldn’t error though.
You won’t get any better perf out of the DS14’s by setting the path links to 8Gb either since the fastest the DS14MK4 can run is 4Gb.
{good seeing you, although a mere glance, at Insight, Tim. I continue to learn from your posts. Hope you are well.}
Good luck,
gene
From: gene [mailto:genec220@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:34 AM To: 'Tim McCarthy'; NGC-andrei.borzenkov-ts.fujitsu.com; NGC-andrei.borzenkov-ts.fujitsu.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: RE: Frame discards on Brocade with 7-Mode FMC using 8G HBA and DS14
Hi Andrei, I do not want to assume even though you say “backend switches” so are you trying to use the UTA2 ports to connect to the DS14’s or as FC SAN target ports?
gene
From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Tim McCarthy Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 7:47 AM To: NGC-andrei.borzenkov-ts.fujitsu.com; NGC-andrei.borzenkov-ts.fujitsu.com Cc: toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Frame discards on Brocade with 7-Mode FMC using 8G HBA and DS14
You would not believe the silly stuff I have seen customers do.
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On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 7:40 AM -0400, "andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.commailto:andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com" <andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.commailto:andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com> wrote:
What FC ports are you using on the FAS8040 (onboard/PCIe Card)? [Borzenkov, Andrei] onboard
how about the sysconfig -a for the FC ports involved (not the whole thing!)? [Borzenkov, Andrei] slot 0: FC Host Adapter 0e (QLogic 8324 rev. 2, N-port, <UP>) Firmware rev: 7.5.0 Host Port Id: 0x10100 FC Node Name: 5:00a:098003:8826d0 FC Port Name: 5:00a:098003:8826d0 SFP Vendor: AVAGO SFP Part Number: AFBR-57F5MZ-NA1 SFP Serial Number: AC1609J00D5 SFP Capabilities: 4, 8 or 16 Gbit Others are the same
Do you have the correct SFP+s in the FAS8040? [Borzenkov, Andrei] Whatever NetApp ships with FAS8040.
Where did they come from? [Borzenkov, Andrei] NetApp
Did you take them from the FAS3140 (X6539 -> 4Gb)? [Borzenkov, Andrei] Of course, not. You seriously expect link to come up at 8G with 4G SFPs?
(if so, those are likely 4Gb)
The supported ones on the FAS8040 are X6596->16Gb [Borzenkov, Andrei] Yes, I know.
Of course, if you are using a PCIe crad, that would be different too.
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On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:32 AM, andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.commailto:andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com <andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.commailto:andrei.borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com> wrote: This weekend I did head swap from FAS3140 to FAS8040 in 7-Mode FMC. Storage is DS14mk4 and one DS2246 that was added later. Backend switches are Brocade 300 so we tried to change HBA ports from 4G to 8G hoping to boost overall performance. But almost immediately I observed intermittent
Sat Oct 1 23:00:08 YEKT [netapp2:cf.fsm.takeoverOfPartnerDisabled:error]: Failover monitor: takeover of netapp1 disabled (status of backup mailbox is uncertain). Sat Oct 1 23:00:14 YEKT [netapp2:cf.fsm.takeoverOfPartnerEnabled:notice]: Failover monitor: takeover of netapp1 enabled
On both heads. There was no load, all applications were still stopped at this point. There were no other errors visible in logs.
Looking on switches, the only errors reported for ports were c3 discards. They were most frequent on DS14 ports, but also happened for HBA and even ATTO ports (1 and 13 in this example). Statistic is collected several minutes after resetting counters.
netapp2_fcsw1:admin> porterrshow frames enc crc crc too too bad enc disc link loss loss frjt fbsy c3timeout tx rx in err g_eof shrt long eof out c3 fail sync sig tx rx ======================================================================================================================= 0: 124.5k 90.9k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1: 327.5k 290.8k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2: 278.4k 244.0k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3: 27.0k 29.1k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 102 0 0 0 0 0 0 102 4: 426.5k 474.3k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 324 0 0 0 0 0 324 0 5: 41.9k 48.9k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 120 0 0 0 0 0 0 120 6: 98.8k 109.8k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 7: 111.4k 133.1k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 8: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9: 56.2k 64.0k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 10: 13.4k 14.9k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 0 0 0 0 0 0 52 11: 46.4k 50.4k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13: 22.0k 23.8k 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 38 0 0 0 0 0 0 38 14: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
I could not find any best practice or recommendation regarding port speeds in such configuration (actually, documentation recommends setting port speed to maximum supported by connected device, which in this case means 8G). After forcing HBA back to 4G the above messages and c3 discards went away.
So I'm looking for practical experience in this area. May be there are some settings we missed. Switches are running 7.0.2b (minimal version matching IMT). Shelf firmware is the latest. Data ONTAP is 8.2.4P4.
--- With best regards
Andrei Borzenkov Senior system engineer FTS WEMEAI RUC RU SC TMS FOS
FUJITSU Zemlyanoy Val Street, 9, 105 064 Moscow, Russian Federation Tel.: +7 495 730 62 20 ( reception) Mob.: +7 916 678 7208 Fax: +7 495 730 62 14 E-mail: Andrei.Borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.commailto:Andrei.Borzenkov@ts.fujitsu.com Web: ru.fujitsu.comhttp://ru.fujitsu.com Company details: ts.fujitsu.com/imprinthttp://ts.fujitsu.com/imprint This communication contains information that is confidential, proprietary in nature and/or privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original communication. Thank you for your cooperation. Please be advised that neither Fujitsu, its affiliates, its employees or agents accept liability for any errors, omissions or damages caused by delays of receipt or by any virus infection in this message or its attachments, or which may otherwise arise as a result of this e-mail transmission.
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