Why not set up a volume snapmirror now for weekend work for migration? (i.e. vol_old to vol_new) We use this quite successfully - then when the migration is on you only have the update to do... Shut everything down - snapmirror update - quiesce and break. - Vol offline the old and vol rename the new...
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Borzenkov, Andrey Sent: 02 March 2007 10:30 To: Kießl Walter; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Yes, it is set to 10. "man aggr" also mentions aggr.copy.throttle but this one does not exit.
-----Original Message----- From: Kießl Walter [mailto:kiessl@heidenhain.de] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:28 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: AW: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Have you checked the "option vol.copy.throttle" ? It should show be set to 10 for full volcopy speed.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] Im Auftrag von Borzenkov, Andrey Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2007 10:53 An: toasters@mathworks.com Betreff: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate Wichtigkeit: Hoch
Hi,
This is relatively urgent.
We are facing the following problem.
We need to move data on FAS270C (appr. 2TB) onto another set of disks. There is a single aggregate that contains root volume and one or two (on two heads respectively) large volumes with single LUN on each. All volumes except root are 100% full. DOT 7.0.3.
Disks are 146GB 10K, RAID_DP, 14 disks on each head (average). Target set is 300GB 10K, RAID_DP, 11 disks on each head. I tested (under normal conditions) vol copy from root volume onto root volume copy. It tool 3 and half minutes for 440MB! It is absolutely unacceptable, we cannot afford this downtime.
No the questions are
- How are chances that without client load vol copy will be faster? What can explain that miserable performance for relatively small data set?
- Which speed can be expected under these conditions? Normal on-tape (non NDMP) backup from client systems - Windows only, SAN attach - runs approximately 20MB/s which are still acceptable.
- will aggr copy be faster and how much? If yes - how can I then switch root aggregate? To clarify - first I restrict target aggregate and make aggr copy. Then I put target aggregate online and get duplicate volumes, do not I? I _hope_ that filer will rename them, anyone can confirm?
- any chance updating to 7.0.5 *before* copy will help?
Thank you and I appreciate your answers. The downtime is scheduled for this weekend; it would quite a big problem with 2MB/s performance :(
Regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer IT Product Services Fujitsu Siemens Computers Russian Federation
Telephone: +7 (495) 730-6220 ext. 247 Telefax: +7 (495) 229 91 30 Mobile: +7 (916) 678-7208 Email: mailto:Andrey.Borzenkov@fujitsu-siemens.com Internet: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.ru/
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I already answered similar question off list :)
We have only SAN, volumes are 100% full; there no space to guarantee space reservation for LUNs for snapshots and running without space reservation poses too much risk for production system. Snapmirroring at *this* rate will take the whole week.
-----Original Message----- From: Ross, Alistair [mailto:alistair.ross@landg.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:47 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Why not set up a volume snapmirror now for weekend work for migration? (i.e. vol_old to vol_new) We use this quite successfully - then when the migration is on you only have the update to do... Shut everything down - snapmirror update - quiesce and break. - Vol offline the old and vol rename the new...
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Borzenkov, Andrey Sent: 02 March 2007 10:30 To: Kießl Walter; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Yes, it is set to 10. "man aggr" also mentions aggr.copy.throttle but this one does not exit.
-----Original Message----- From: Kießl Walter [mailto:kiessl@heidenhain.de] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:28 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: AW: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Have you checked the "option vol.copy.throttle" ? It should show be set to 10 for full volcopy speed.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] Im Auftrag von Borzenkov, Andrey Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2007 10:53 An: toasters@mathworks.com Betreff: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate Wichtigkeit: Hoch
Hi,
This is relatively urgent.
We are facing the following problem.
We need to move data on FAS270C (appr. 2TB) onto another set of disks. There is a single aggregate that contains root volume and one or two (on two heads respectively) large volumes with single LUN on each. All volumes except root are 100% full. DOT 7.0.3.
Disks are 146GB 10K, RAID_DP, 14 disks on each head (average). Target set is 300GB 10K, RAID_DP, 11 disks on each head. I tested (under normal conditions) vol copy from root volume onto root volume copy. It tool 3 and half minutes for 440MB! It is absolutely unacceptable, we cannot afford this downtime.
No the questions are
- How are chances that without client load vol copy will be faster? What can explain that miserable performance for relatively small data set?
- Which speed can be expected under these conditions? Normal on-tape (non NDMP) backup from client systems - Windows only, SAN attach - runs approximately 20MB/s which are still acceptable.
- will aggr copy be faster and how much? If yes - how can I then switch root aggregate? To clarify - first I restrict target aggregate and make aggr copy. Then I put target aggregate online and get duplicate volumes, do not I? I _hope_ that filer will rename them, anyone can confirm?
- any chance updating to 7.0.5 *before* copy will help?
Thank you and I appreciate your answers. The downtime is scheduled for this weekend; it would quite a big problem with 2MB/s performance :(
Regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer IT Product Services Fujitsu Siemens Computers Russian Federation
Telephone: +7 (495) 730-6220 ext. 247 Telefax: +7 (495) 229 91 30 Mobile: +7 (916) 678-7208 Email: mailto:Andrey.Borzenkov@fujitsu-siemens.com Internet: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.ru/
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They are registered in England under numbers shown. The registered office is Temple Court, 11 Queen Victoria Street, London EC4N 4TP.
Legal & General Partnership Services Limited: 5045000 Legal & General Assurance Society Limited: 166055 Legal & General (Unit Trust Managers) Limited: 1009418 Legal & General (Portfolio Management Services) Limited: 2457525 Legal & General Insurance Limited: 423930
They are registered with the Financial Services Authority under numbers shown. You can check this at www.fsa.gov.uk/register
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We need to figure out what your bottleneck is in transferring your data. Can you collect some statit, and sysstat, while you start, your vol copy? Or can you not try that again?
-Blake
On 3/2/07, Borzenkov, Andrey Andrey.Borzenkov@fujitsu-siemens.com wrote:
I already answered similar question off list :)
We have only SAN, volumes are 100% full; there no space to guarantee space reservation for LUNs for snapshots and running without space reservation poses too much risk for production system. Snapmirroring at *this* rate will take the whole week.
-----Original Message----- From: Ross, Alistair [mailto:alistair.ross@landg.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:47 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Why not set up a volume snapmirror now for weekend work for migration? (i.e. vol_old to vol_new) We use this quite successfully - then when the migration is on you only have the update to do... Shut everything down - snapmirror update - quiesce and break. - Vol offline the old and vol rename the new...
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Borzenkov, Andrey Sent: 02 March 2007 10:30 To: Kießl Walter; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Yes, it is set to 10. "man aggr" also mentions aggr.copy.throttle but this one does not exit.
-----Original Message----- From: Kießl Walter [mailto:kiessl@heidenhain.de] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:28 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: AW: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
Have you checked the "option vol.copy.throttle" ? It should show be set to 10 for full volcopy speed.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] Im Auftrag von Borzenkov, Andrey Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2007 10:53 An: toasters@mathworks.com Betreff: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate Wichtigkeit: Hoch
Hi,
This is relatively urgent.
We are facing the following problem.
We need to move data on FAS270C (appr. 2TB) onto another set of disks. There is a single aggregate that contains root volume and one or two (on two heads respectively) large volumes with single LUN on each. All volumes except root are 100% full. DOT 7.0.3.
Disks are 146GB 10K, RAID_DP, 14 disks on each head (average). Target set is 300GB 10K, RAID_DP, 11 disks on each head. I tested (under normal conditions) vol copy from root volume onto root volume copy. It tool 3 and half minutes for 440MB! It is absolutely unacceptable, we cannot afford this downtime.
No the questions are
- How are chances that without client load vol copy will be faster? What can
explain that miserable performance for relatively small data set?
- Which speed can be expected under these conditions? Normal on-tape (non
NDMP) backup from client systems - Windows only, SAN attach - runs approximately 20MB/s which are still acceptable.
- will aggr copy be faster and how much? If yes - how can I then switch root
aggregate? To clarify - first I restrict target aggregate and make aggr copy. Then I put target aggregate online and get duplicate volumes, do not I? I _hope_ that filer will rename them, anyone can confirm?
- any chance updating to 7.0.5 *before* copy will help?
Thank you and I appreciate your answers. The downtime is scheduled for this weekend; it would quite a big problem with 2MB/s performance :(
Regards
Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer IT Product Services Fujitsu Siemens Computers Russian Federation
Telephone: +7 (495) 730-6220 ext. 247 Telefax: +7 (495) 229 91 30 Mobile: +7 (916) 678-7208 Email: mailto:Andrey.Borzenkov@fujitsu-siemens.com Internet: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.ru/
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They are registered in England under numbers shown. The registered office is Temple Court, 11 Queen Victoria Street, London EC4N 4TP.
Legal & General Partnership Services Limited: 5045000 Legal & General Assurance Society Limited: 166055 Legal & General (Unit Trust Managers) Limited: 1009418 Legal & General (Portfolio Management Services) Limited: 2457525 Legal & General Insurance Limited: 423930
They are registered with the Financial Services Authority under numbers shown. You can check this at www.fsa.gov.uk/register
Legal & General Partnership Services Limited: 300792 Legal & General Assurance Society Limited: 117659 Legal & General (Unit Trust Managers) Limited: 119273 Legal & General (Portfolio Management Services) Limited: 146786 Legal & General Insurance Limited: 202050