Regarding out-of-sequence messages: yes, I'm aware that messages are arriving out-of-sequence again. This is caused by people posting from addresses other than those by which they are subscribed. In what I think is fairly standard anti-spam behaviour for 21st Century mailing lists, this one holds (for moderation) posts from apparently-unsubscribed users. For fastest, and therefore sequential, throughput, *please post from the address at which you have subscribed*.
Regarding unsubscriptions: the list engine doesn't deal well with "unsubscribe" requests sent (a) to the full list (b) from an address at which you're not subscribed; I'm not convinced this is the engine's fault. If you want to unsubscribe, there is automated assistance in the headers of every single list message, which most decent mailers will present to you. Every subscriber also gets a reminder on the first of every month that outlines several other methods for unsubscribing, and in the limiting case, you can ask me.
Regarding the old archives: I'm still working on it.
Regarding the choice of domain name: on Wed, 24 Aug 2011, I wrote:
So if anyone feels strongly enough about this to want to arrange some kind of forum for this discussion, please contact me off-list so we can put something together without boring all the people that would much prefer to read about disc shelf FCAL issues. I'll repeat: please, let's not continue this discussion here.
Although some people have kindly registered alternative domain names, discussion has continued and *noone* has approached me as I requested. I remain open to an off-list approach, where I will be happy to explain _inter alia_ why I haven't favoured the alternative-domain-name solution. If some kind of proposal for change gets traction you can all expect to read a "please go here to vote"-type post. Otherwise, I am fed up reading this stuff on-list, and although I accept that there are still some subscribers who have reservations, I also know there's a body of subscribers that agrees with me.
So since it's currently on my server, I will presume to lay down the law a little, for which I beg your collective forgiveness. I will unsubscribe anyone who restarts the domain name issue. If you're leaving the list as you do it, I'll ban you from re-subscribing. Please, *shut up* about the issue on-list.
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Tom Yates wrote:
Regarding unsubscriptions: the list engine doesn't deal well with "unsubscribe" requests sent (a) to the full list (b) from an address at which you're not subscribed; I'm not convinced this is the engine's fault. If you want to unsubscribe, there is automated assistance in the headers of every single list message, which most decent mailers will present to you. Every subscriber also gets a reminder on the first of every month that outlines several other methods for unsubscribing, and in the limiting case, you can ask me.
Apparently that wasn't comprehensible enough; sorry to all the subscribers who don't need to read this.
(1) You can't unsubscribe by email unless you send it from the address at which you're subscribed.
(2) You can't unsubscribe via the web interface unless you quote the address at which you're subscribed. Yes, you can enter the wrong address, and the web interface won't tell you, it will just silently fail to send anything; this is a security measure to prevent address harvesting.
(3) You can't unsubscribe from the list by sending *any* kind of email **to the whole list**.
Steve hopper@cs.ucsd.edu, I'm guessing you're actually subscribed as "steve@ucsd.edu". Check your headers.
Everyone else who's actually directly subscribed to the list, you were sent an automated email on the 1st of October. You'll get another tomorrow morning, unless you've opted-out via the web interface. That contains all the details you need to unsubscribe yourself, personally. *Please keep it for the next month*. Failing that, read your headers to work out which address you subscribed from.
EXCEPTION: some netapp folks are not directly subscribed to the list at all [1], but subscribe via an internal exploder at netapp for historical reasons. For myself, I think life's easier if you subscribe directly. But if you're at netapp, and you've subscribed via the exploder, there is NOTHING I can do to get you off the list. No amount of email or web interaction with teaparty.net will get you off. I would have to unsubscribe the entire exploder to get you off the list, and I won't do that unless netapp asks me to. You need to contact Steven Yee of netapp, who is heroically trying to deal with the exploder.
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Tom Yates